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WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« on: 18 Jan 2020, 19:48 »

Hmmm..... I should probably fix dlnner ("""supper""").

I'd be hilarious if mister bureaucratic came into the convenience store for lunch after Roko left, and was completely oblivious as to whom he was interacting with. Especially if he either hit it off with May (platonically) or vented his work frustrations.

EDIT: damn, did that ever need rephrasing.
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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #1 on: 19 Jan 2020, 00:49 »

Morse code or binary?



EDIT: trimming the pick to only what's relevant. This was the poll very early on.
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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #2 on: 19 Jan 2020, 02:24 »

Tacos with nixtamalized corn tortillas please.
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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #3 on: 19 Jan 2020, 10:38 »

My favorite restaurant has the best wet burritos... and their table salsa is actually good, not spicy tomato sauce or hot marinara...
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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #4 on: 19 Jan 2020, 14:45 »

If any of you all ever find yourselves in Emporia, KS, try El Marmol or El Lorito's.
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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #5 on: 19 Jan 2020, 19:04 »

Strip's up. Huh...

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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #6 on: 19 Jan 2020, 19:49 »

I simultaneously do and don't want to know what the right one is for.
There's some really out-there paraphilias (kinks), and a fair few I'd guess indicate that somebody just needs to take an extended break from the pr0n for a bit.
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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #7 on: 19 Jan 2020, 19:58 »

So if Roko left her phone in her shirt pocket it would charge up.

She can breastfeed her phone.

I can’t decide if that’s brilliant or completely messed up.

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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #8 on: 19 Jan 2020, 20:19 »

As someone with a history of dissociative episodes, I'm not entirely sure reading a user manual of my body would make things better. I have a feeling it would make me feel even more disconnected.
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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #9 on: 19 Jan 2020, 20:42 »

The location of the wireless charger in relation to the shirt pocket is just really good thinking.  Solid design, good planning.  Mr. Jaques should patent this.  Or something.
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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #10 on: 19 Jan 2020, 21:03 »

While I agree, if I had such a feature I'd keep my phone at my hip as I do currently unless it was critically low on charge (so it doesn't act as an extra drain and because my last phone ended up with a swollen battery because it overheated while I left it on a WCP while sleeping), or integrate it with my body entirely (you can't steal my phone! I am my phone!


On that note, it was implied that Momo's old body had built in Wi-Fi, as she downloaded a patch wirelessly, so I'd bet that most non-military AI have a SIM card and an antenna built in, or tether to a box that's little more than a beefy power supply, a Mobile Data antenna, a Wi-Fi antenna, and a slot for a SIM card.
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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #11 on: 19 Jan 2020, 22:01 »

While I agree, if I had such a feature I'd keep my phone at my hip as I do currently unless it was critically low on charge (so it doesn't act as an extra drain and because my last phone ended up with a swollen battery because it overheated while I left it on a WCP while sleeping), or integrate it with my body entirely (you can't steal my phone! I am my phone!


On that note, it was implied that Momo's old body had built in Wi-Fi, as she downloaded a patch wirelessly, so I'd bet that most non-military AI have a SIM card and an antenna built in, or tether to a box that's little more than a beefy power supply, a Mobile Data antenna, a Wi-Fi antenna, and a slot for a SIM card.

SIM card slot? I guess we know what's in the right nipple!
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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #12 on: 19 Jan 2020, 22:04 »

My favorite restaurant has the best wet burritos... and their table salsa is actually good, not spicy tomato sauce or hot marinara...

I had no idea what a wet burrito is but did a Google search...now I want a meat, cheese, bean, and rice wet burrito.
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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #13 on: 19 Jan 2020, 23:06 »

Jeph actually answers the question from last week's WCDT here. "Why does May need a body?" Because she cannot understand how Roko had a dissociative episode. To me, that means that she's basically content and at ease in a corporeal body; perhaps in a way that she never was as an disembodied AI. So, I think that the argument can be made that this is necessary for her mental health and that, for the sake of her rehabilitation, one that works properly to a reasonable degree is also a requirement.

I'm glad that Roko is taking her mental health seriously but I really think that she should be getting professional help. Muddling through by your own best judgement can sometimes not be as effective as you hoped.
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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #14 on: 19 Jan 2020, 23:13 »

May, I also did not follow. Apparently, "at a remove" is a very archaic phrase, rarely used in regular speech.
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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #15 on: 20 Jan 2020, 02:23 »

Not so archaic, I think, at least in the UK.  Mind you, I'd say "at one remove", which forms a contrast to the perhaps more common usage "at several removes" meaning connected, but only marginally.
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« Reply #16 on: 20 Jan 2020, 02:24 »

My favorite restaurant has the best wet burritos... and their table salsa is actually good, not spicy tomato sauce or hot marinara...

I had no idea what a wet burrito is but did a Google search...now I want a meat, cheese, bean, and rice wet burrito.

The one I like is beans and a very spicy chile colorado topped with cheese and a dollop of sour cream to cool it down a little

Of course May went straight to the breasts in the manual...
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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #17 on: 20 Jan 2020, 02:58 »

Not so archaic, I think, at least in the UK.  Mind you, I'd say "at one remove", which forms a contrast to the perhaps more common usage "at several removes" meaning connected, but only marginally.

I'd add that I didn't think twice about the phrase, until I saw andrybak's post. But then, I've been told before that I was am using terms out of common usage for the past two centuries.

So if Roko left her phone in her shirt pocket it would charge up.

She can breastfeed her phone.

I can’t decide if that’s brilliant or completely messed up.

Considering we've seen Winslow, in his iPad-sized chassis, it's not impossible that there are phone sized/shaped AI in universe. That might make it worse.
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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #18 on: 20 Jan 2020, 03:57 »

So if Roko left her phone in her shirt pocket it would charge up.
But what would an AI need a phone for? I interpreted it as a point where the body could be recharged wirelessly rather than need a cable. But the breast feeding phone/anthropc concept is kinda cute!
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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #19 on: 20 Jan 2020, 04:40 »

May, I also did not follow. Apparently, "at a remove" is a very archaic phrase, rarely used in regular speech.

You also get stuff like "one dot two bar over" for "two hundred one years" from time to time.
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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #20 on: 20 Jan 2020, 04:44 »

But what would an AI need a phone for?
Somehow Bubbles knew Roko was being installed in her new body.  By the hand gesture, over the airwaves, of which there are several technologies is possible.  But a number of AIs have cell phones, and use them, so maybe only newer model bodies have a SIM slot?

As far as breastfeeding a cellphone goes, I agree that a charging port there is good planning and engineering.  Labeling the concept as "breast feeding", well, yes, that's messed up.    :angel: :angel: :angel:

And finally for today's musing, if Clinton gets told by Faye to cover his hand to keep it from getting all cruddy internally, why doesn't she insist Mays' hands have a covering?
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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #21 on: 20 Jan 2020, 05:19 »

But a number of AIs have cell phones, and use them,
I  hadn't spotted that.
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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #22 on: 20 Jan 2020, 05:27 »

Having a separate cell phone may be a performative thing like reading a physical book is. 

It certainly helps eliminate the perception that an AI is talking to themselves, though you'd think an implanted cell phone could have a separate electronic input that responds to simulated sound waves instead of real sound waves.  But maybe the apparatus still takes significant processing power that the AI involved would rather not be judged for the inward stare and tickets for distracted walking.  You could imagine what might happen if Crushbot was walking about paying attention to an internal phone call...
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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #23 on: 20 Jan 2020, 05:48 »


"Mexican food's pretty much all the same.
It just depends how you fold it."
Billy Connolly.

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« Reply #24 on: 20 Jan 2020, 06:03 »

Look on the menu for entrees that require tableware and the variety will bewilder and delight.
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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #25 on: 20 Jan 2020, 07:36 »

The reasoning that some AI's with APC bodies have cell phones "built in" to those that not are about the same as some iPads that have SIMs to those that are strictly wifi compatible.

I suspect the option not to have "built in" cell is a more popular option, as cell technology can result in those with built in cell service suddenly in a lurch if their "standard" is no longer supported. Consider cell phones from 25 years ago vs. those today.
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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #26 on: 20 Jan 2020, 09:12 »

Having a separate cell phone may be a performative thing like reading a physical book is.

I often show people things on my phone, even when out.  So having a portable non-attached screen, at least, seems a practical thing, to show people (not necessarily other AIs) stuff on - and why not use it in the already established packaging?
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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #27 on: 20 Jan 2020, 10:07 »

I always imagined an AI could attach a cable and send audio/stills/video to another AI or a display device like any other computer might.  I mean, how *did* Jeremy and Seven burn out cables during robosex... 

But yeah, good point, as well as the point on technology moving on after one's chassis has been committed to manufacturing.
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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #28 on: 20 Jan 2020, 10:28 »

Additionally, just like AIs like to physically read rather than screen internally, they may prefer interacting externally when it comes to phone calls.

Also, considering that my employer requires me to use one of their phones for business which is entirely separate from the one I use personally... there is that.
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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #29 on: 20 Jan 2020, 11:25 »

And finally for today's musing, if Clinton gets told by Faye to cover his hand to keep it from getting all cruddy internally, why doesn't she insist Mays' hands have a covering?

For a completely-out-of-the-air guess: May is an AI, and AIs in Faye's experience already know that they should be careful not to get their joints all cruddy. It doesn't matter that May has only had a body for a relatively-short time, it's just not something that Faye thinks is necessary. Clinton's hand is not a normal human hand, so she assumes she has to warn him, even though he's had the hand ever since it withered into a claw a firework went off while he was holding it, much longer than May has had a body.

For what I think is more likely: eh, Jeph's not infallible. He probably just forgot.
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« Reply #30 on: 20 Jan 2020, 12:53 »

Or her hands, in keeping with the apparent state of the chassis, are a less refined technology than his prosthesis is. Or just different.
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« Reply #31 on: 20 Jan 2020, 17:33 »


"Mexican food's pretty much all the same.
It just depends how you fold it."
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« Reply #32 on: 20 Jan 2020, 18:34 »

Comic’s up. I think she looks better purple.
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« Reply #33 on: 20 Jan 2020, 19:23 »

One would wonder if color changing would freak her out too. Still, interesting.

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« Reply #34 on: 20 Jan 2020, 20:00 »

It ain’t easy being green.
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« Reply #35 on: 20 Jan 2020, 20:38 »

It's not that easy, bein' green
Having to spend each day the color of the leaves
And Melon tends to hit the ceiling
Cause she's freaking out
Like an organic taking acid

It's not that easy, bein' green
You blend in with so many ordinary things
And people tend to pass you over
'Cause you're not a cop now
Or a networked AI from the sky

But green is the color of spring
And green can be cool and friendly like
And green can be big, like Bubbles
Or important, like the Station
Or tall like a Crushbot

If green is all there is to be
It may make you stop and wonder why
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Why wonder why?
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« Reply #36 on: 20 Jan 2020, 20:45 »

I wonder if that's the Negaverse Queen Beryl came from.
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« Reply #37 on: 20 Jan 2020, 20:47 »

This is an interesting development. I wonder if Roko will feel more connected to her new chassis after customisation.
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« Reply #38 on: 20 Jan 2020, 20:59 »

This is an interesting development. I wonder if Roko will feel more connected to her new chassis after customisation.
I had the same thought.


I wonder if that's the Negaverse Queen Beryl came from.
I was watching a vid the other day, and apparently the American adaptation took A LOT of liberties with the localization.
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« Reply #39 on: 20 Jan 2020, 22:36 »

Neat trick.  I can see Roko isn’t baseline.
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« Reply #40 on: 20 Jan 2020, 23:34 »

I find myself wondering what other user-defined customisation options that the Philomena-G chassis has? Depending on how mischievous Roko is, she could have endless fun being someone else!

One would wonder if color changing would freak her out too. Still, interesting.

This is an interesting development. I wonder if Roko will feel more connected to her new chassis after customisation.

That's something that I was thinking about too. It could be positive, the control that she has proving that this is her. Alternatively, it could make the sense of disconnection worse by making her feel physically mutable!

Also: "Again"? Just what is the everyday life of Melon? Is she just one of those imaginative people who can effortlessly go on fantastic voyages in the privacy of her head or is the QC universe weirder than any of us imagined before? Certainly, this raises the possibility that the scorpion pit where we saw her working is only how she likes to perceive her place of work rather than its objective reality. Much like all of us, I think! :-P
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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #41 on: 21 Jan 2020, 08:09 »


"Mexican food's pretty much all the same.
It just depends how you fold it."
Billy Connolly.

(N.B. - My own knowledge on 'mexican food' is limited to say the least!)

As evident by the quote.

Which, to be fair to me, is why I added the addendum! :)
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« Reply #42 on: 21 Jan 2020, 08:13 »

Don't feel bad, Joe. My experience with Scottish food is limited, to say the least.

And I avoid it for the same reason I do most Mexican food as well...  :angel:
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« Reply #43 on: 21 Jan 2020, 08:15 »

I wonder if Roko could colour cycle like a cuttlefish and hypnotise unwitting prey to have them give May a new body!! :)
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« Reply #44 on: 21 Jan 2020, 08:27 »

I wonder if Roko could colour cycle like a cuttlefish and hypnotise unwitting prey to have them give May a new body!! :)
Why hypnotize when she could intimidate (more Roko's style anyway)?  She could start out as flesh colored (pick a lighter one), then turn red/der as her anger with the stooge on the other side of the table grows, then fade into matte black as her rage peaks.

Damn.  Now I want to transfer my consciousness to her same model chassis.  I wonder what else it does...
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« Reply #45 on: 21 Jan 2020, 08:33 »

I wonder if Roko could colour cycle like a cuttlefish and hypnotise unwitting prey to have them give May a new body!! :)

I was thinking more of her blending into the background like a chameleon and getting dirt on the decision-makers that way!

You know, a while back, I speculated that Yay may have decided that Roko 'needed' some optional extras in her new body. I wonder if this is part of it and what else she may have that isn't in an off-the-shelf Philomena-G?
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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #46 on: 21 Jan 2020, 08:50 »

You know, a while back, I speculated that Yay may have decided that Roko 'needed' some optional extras in her new body. I wonder if this is part of it and what else she may have that isn't in an off-the-shelf Philomena-G?
Possibly, but then the manual would have to be rewritten too, Roko's future request for download of the manual trapped out from everyone else's, and the rewritten manual substituted just for Roko.  I'm not saying Yay can't do all that, but it doesn't seem to be Yay's impulsive and urgently-done style.

Anyone got inversion software (mine has gone awol) and verified the hair colors on Melon and Roko are inversions of each other?
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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #47 on: 21 Jan 2020, 09:15 »

One would wonder if color changing would freak her out too. Still, interesting.

I would imagine it would have the opposite effect. Understanding what her body can do will no doubt let Roko feel more comfortable in her body.
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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #48 on: 21 Jan 2020, 09:45 »

... cell technology can result in those with built in cell service suddenly in a lurch if their "standard" is no longer supported.
But surely that sort of thing would be modular anyway. A standard bus and a plug in interface.
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Re: WCDT 4181-4185 (20th - 24th, January 2020)
« Reply #49 on: 21 Jan 2020, 10:28 »

One would wonder if color changing would freak her out too. Still, interesting.

I would imagine it would have the opposite effect. Understanding what her body can do will no doubt let Roko feel more comfortable in her body.

Certainly fewer unwelcome (and/or triggering) surprises.
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