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Author Topic: WCDT strips 4211 to 4215 (2nd to 6th March 2020)  (Read 4190 times)

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Re: WCDT strips 4211 to 4215 (2nd to 6th March 2020)
« Reply #100 on: 06 Mar 2020, 08:31 »

my impression is that he came up with the laws specifically to tear them into shreds, by writing stories where they are subverted, ineffectual, or otherwise limited in effectiveness.
Ye gods, no. Read “In Memory Yet Green,” the first volume of Asimov’s autobiography. He talks at length about the origin of the laws.

You have to understand that Asimov was writing for a time that was deeply afraid of robots. Robots were universally cartoon monsters, defaulting to “destroy all humans” mode. His earliest robot story, “Robbie,” is steeped in the assumption that the reader assumed robots were murder machines. The whole point of the story was that robots could be gentle and caring.

The three laws evolved out of that, and out of his interactions with John Campbell. Having done that, he immediately started using the explicit formulation of the laws as starting points for stories. Not because he intended to “tear them apart” from the start, but because it was part of his brainstorming process.

Most of the early stories tend to be about the strengths of the laws, and why they’re worded the way they are. Stories like “Runaround” and “Little Lost Robot” aren’t about standard Three Laws robots, they’re about robots where the Three Laws were deliberately altered for specific reasons. “Speedy” in “Runaround” has a strengthened 3rd law because he’s unusually valuable, and the plot’s resolved by invoking the first law. “Nestor” in “Little Lost Robot” has a weakened First Law because he’s working around experiments dangerous to humans, and the story is in part about why weakening the First Law is a Bad Idea.

If you read “The Caves of Steel,” Asimov’s first full-length robot novel, it’s anything but critical of the three laws. It’s a return to the themes of “Robbie,” in that it’s about a main character who hates and fears robots, but eventually comes to accept them once he’s exposed at length to a sympathetic robot (R. Daneel, who acts as his partner during the murder investigation at the insistence of the Spacers).

Sometime in the 80’s or so Asimov started feeling limited by the Laws, but in the 40’s and 50’s they were basic to his plots, not something he was trying to “tear down.”
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Re: WCDT strips 4211 to 4215 (2nd to 6th March 2020)
« Reply #101 on: 06 Mar 2020, 08:38 »

That was funny.

I do wonder... are humanoid robots deliberately built to be just human strong? And where is the line where greater strength comes into play? Punchbot, for instance, appeared to have greater than human strength.

Remember, the bulk of the programming in a robot is to maintain sentience.

Some robots are definitely built to be stronger than humans (Bubbles, Crushbot, those who fought illegally).  Some have other means of defence (Momo).  Even if Beepatrice and Millefeuille are stronger than Elliot, do they know how to fight?  Elliot might be able to hold them off long enough to drain a significant amount of power, especially since his default reaction is essentially to defend rather than attack.
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Re: WCDT strips 4211 to 4215 (2nd to 6th March 2020)
« Reply #102 on: 06 Mar 2020, 09:23 »

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Re: WCDT strips 4211 to 4215 (2nd to 6th March 2020)
« Reply #103 on: 06 Mar 2020, 15:57 »

Is Beeps Naruto running?
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Re: WCDT strips 4211 to 4215 (2nd to 6th March 2020)
« Reply #104 on: 06 Mar 2020, 23:59 »

IMO, one of the tricky but Very Important things to do with anything running a version of the Three Laws is to somehow keep them from coming up with an entirely logical interpretation of the First - or formulating a version of the Zeroth - that involves taking away all human freedom, for our own good / to protect us from ourselves and each other.

Because really, we'd all be so much safer (in both/all senses of the word) if we spent our entire lives locked into Matrix pods or something.
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Re: WCDT strips 4211 to 4215 (2nd to 6th March 2020)
« Reply #105 on: 07 Mar 2020, 07:03 »

Well, that's bizarre - Beeps just wanders in, Millefeuille admits that this will probably keep happening - but Elliot loudly announcing his (and Clinton's) entrance is treated as home invasion?!  :?
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Re: WCDT strips 4211 to 4215 (2nd to 6th March 2020)
« Reply #106 on: 07 Mar 2020, 13:02 »

Well, that's bizarre - Beeps just wanders in, Millefeuille admits that this will probably keep happening - but Elliot loudly announcing his (and Clinton's) entrance is treated as home invasion?!  :?

Yeah, the joke doesn't land for me at all because it strains credibility too much. Who hears a person come into a house openly and loudly and assumes "this is a burglar"?
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Re: WCDT strips 4211 to 4215 (2nd to 6th March 2020)
« Reply #107 on: 07 Mar 2020, 13:05 »

My money's on Amber.
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Re: WCDT strips 4211 to 4215 (2nd to 6th March 2020)
« Reply #108 on: 07 Mar 2020, 19:06 »

IMO, one of the tricky but Very Important things to do with anything running a version of the Three Laws is to somehow keep them from coming up with an entirely logical interpretation of the First - or formulating a version of the Zeroth - that involves taking away all human freedom, for our own good / to protect us from ourselves and each other.

Because really, we'd all be so much safer (in both/all senses of the word) if we spent our entire lives locked into Matrix pods or something.

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Re: WCDT strips 4211 to 4215 (2nd to 6th March 2020)
« Reply #109 on: 07 Mar 2020, 20:47 »

"With Folded Hands", Jack Williamson.
Exactly. I thought of that story when talking about “Little Lost Robot” earlier.  “Nestor” doesn’t have the “...or through inaction allow a human to come to harm” clause in the First Law. “With Folded Hands” is the logical result of really thoroughly applying that clause.
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Re: WCDT strips 4211 to 4215 (2nd to 6th March 2020)
« Reply #110 on: 07 Mar 2020, 23:45 »

Maybe she wore padded pants before getting her implant and hasn't gone shopping for padless pants?

Padded ... pants?

I recall padded jackets ... (One more reason to be grateful that FB didn't exist in the early 90s)
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Re: WCDT strips 4211 to 4215 (2nd to 6th March 2020)
« Reply #111 on: 08 Mar 2020, 00:27 »

Maybe she wore padded pants before getting her implant and hasn't gone shopping for padless pants?

Padded ... pants?

I recall padded jackets ... (One more reason to be grateful that FB didn't exist in the early 90s)

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Re: WCDT strips 4211 to 4215 (2nd to 6th March 2020)
« Reply #112 on: 08 Mar 2020, 14:31 »

Padded ... pants?
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Re: WCDT strips 4211 to 4215 (2nd to 6th March 2020)
« Reply #113 on: 09 Mar 2020, 03:27 »

Padded ... pants?
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Apparently it seems there is no longer a safe answer to "does my bum look big in this"...

And asking "Should it look big?" is also wrong.
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Re: WCDT strips 4211 to 4215 (2nd to 6th March 2020)
« Reply #114 on: 09 Mar 2020, 04:11 »

Padded ... pants?
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Apparently it seems there is no longer a safe answer to "does my bum look big in this"...

And asking "Should it look big?" is also wrong.
I'm guessing "What would you prefer?" or "What are you aiming for?" are also both bad.

EDIT: typo fix
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Re: WCDT strips 4211 to 4215 (2nd to 6th March 2020)
« Reply #115 on: 09 Mar 2020, 08:50 »


Been offline for a few days.
Came back to see that Clinton has been re-tagged as "Floofy" Boy...

Better... better.... :)
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Re: WCDT strips 4211 to 4215 (2nd to 6th March 2020)
« Reply #116 on: 11 Mar 2020, 07:20 »

Maybe she wore padded pants before getting her implant and hasn't gone shopping for padless pants?

Padded ... pants?

I recall padded jackets ... (One more reason to be grateful that FB didn't exist in the early 90s)

How about inflatable pants?
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