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Author Topic: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020  (Read 4091 times)

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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #100 on: 14 May 2020, 17:53 »

I was still an asshole when I was 25 too and will say that when I am 40 about me now

I.e. people change

At some point, maybe you should stop considering your former self an asshole for the crime of not living up to your current standards. Please be a smidge kinder to yourself.
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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #101 on: 14 May 2020, 20:25 »

Also?

CHIIIILLL..... 

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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #102 on: 14 May 2020, 22:59 »

You know, Dora, Claire and Clinton should get someone to start recording this spontaneous Tik-Tok dance so they can post it to dance music. Call it "CoD Style", "Put a (Coffee) Ring on It" or something. It could be their big break!

Also, Claire? That's really unfair. Just because you (because of a sibling's perception filters) can't see that Clinton has chill doesn't mean that he has none! I'm actually quite sure that his handling of his friendship with Brun has demonstrated a lot of chill, as has his ability not to be confused to the point of disorientation by the times he's spent with Emily!
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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #104 on: 14 May 2020, 23:24 »

I'll grant that Clinton is not objectively chill. Oh, sure he's handled things like Millie's pass gracefully, and talked out his feelings with Brun, but he's still prone to things like hiding behind Elliot when charged by strange robots.

HOWEVER.

He's about 472% more chill than Claire. Claire is routinely not chill. I cite Claire and her super-anxiety over test results, her reaction to not getting a perfect score, freaking out over whether she'd screwed up her relationship by offering some friendly advice, and, oh, her general tendency to meddle. Stress is something she does.

If Claire is allowed to declare herself chill, Clinton is as well, and it's rude of her to exclude him from a celebration of chillness.
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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #105 on: 14 May 2020, 23:29 »

Excluding your bro from the chill party is not chill!
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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #106 on: 15 May 2020, 02:35 »

I was still an asshole when I was 25 too and will say that when I am 40 about me now

I.e. people change

At some point, maybe you should stop considering your former self an asshole for the crime of not living up to your current standards. Please be a smidge kinder to yourself.

I much appreciate your compassion, Tova. I was using an inefficient shorthand to get across my point rather than indulging in self loathing in that post.

However I do need to be kinder to myself and am working on that in therapy.
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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #107 on: 15 May 2020, 02:47 »


Aye - this isn't making me like Clair any more than I already don't... :(
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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #108 on: 15 May 2020, 04:05 »

So, people (can) change, but Clinton is apparently not allowed to?

Nice gatekeeping there, Claire.
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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #109 on: 15 May 2020, 04:07 »

So, people (can) change, but Clinton is apparently not allowed to?

Of course not! He's her brother! Life constants have got to stay constant and people really aren't happy when those things do change.

Seriously, though, this is just sibling rivalry spite. Nothing more interesting or unusual than that!
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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #110 on: 15 May 2020, 04:13 »

Right, so everyone should still be calling Claire by her deadname and fussing when she doesn't dress/present like Clinton's brother.

Too serious?  :meh:
« Last Edit: 15 May 2020, 04:40 by St.Clair »
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« Reply #111 on: 15 May 2020, 04:49 »

I think that you've just illustrated why families of transfolk have to work really hard, a transition all of its own. Furthermore, still viewing her brother as the uptight nerd who had a tendency to get a bit threatening with her romantic interests represents a totally different challenge with almost no commonality at all. So, yeah; red herring with a dash of strawman mixed in.

Too serious?  :meh:

No, but it was a bit accusative and escalating too far and without good reason.

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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #112 on: 15 May 2020, 05:43 »

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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #113 on: 15 May 2020, 06:23 »

I do hope that we'll see some reaction from Clinton. I know it's Claire's party and all, but the last time my brother pulled something similar on me, I walked away and went home. It's not funny.
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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #114 on: 15 May 2020, 07:04 »

I'm ... confused.  :psyduck:
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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #115 on: 15 May 2020, 07:18 »

Ninth grade is the first year of high school. Elementary school is K-5. Middle school is 6-8. High school is 9-12. Some  place have Junior High which divides things differently.
I went to school in the Los Angeles and Seattle areas, and both were arranged thusly:

K-6 = Elementary School
7-9 = Junior High School
10-12 = High School

Also having been born in the summer, I started kindergarten at age 5 and graduated high school at age 17.

It's even weirder here in Mesa - K-6, 7-8, 9-12 are the breakdowns.
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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #116 on: 15 May 2020, 08:16 »

So, for you, she's gone from someone you like and/or identify with, to one of "them"?
Yeah, I see how that would be unpleasant.

well little bit identify with, but also that she was introduced as just wanting to fit in as normal, as opposed to all the negative perspectives the far left and right portray trans
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I heard from a lot of trans people that they were relieved and pleased to see a respected and be-foibled character who was trans, instead of "The Trans Character" as they were used to from other places.
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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #117 on: 15 May 2020, 08:19 »

Claire has zero chill about Clinton's lack of chill.
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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #118 on: 15 May 2020, 08:37 »

Right, so everyone should still be calling Claire by her deadname and fussing when she doesn't dress/present like Clinton's brother.

Too serious?  :meh:

St.Clair,

I'm lost. What are you responding to and why do you think it goes in that direction?

The last few times I got this confused it was because someone had (wisely) deleted posts but the replies were still there.
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« Reply #119 on: 15 May 2020, 08:57 »

I went to school in the Los Angeles and Seattle areas, and both were arranged thusly:

K-6 = Elementary School
7-9 = Junior High School
10-12 = High School

Also having been born in the summer, I started kindergarten at age 5 and graduated high school at age 17.

It's even weirder here in Mesa - K-6, 7-8, 9-12 are the breakdowns.
It gets weirder. A couple years ago I drove a school bus in the Forest Grove/Cornelius school district (just west of Hillsboro, Oregon) and their breakdown is:
K-4 elementary - at least four schools in the area
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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #120 on: 15 May 2020, 09:01 »

(For real, I never got to go to a school named for anyone cool... or anyone at all for that matter. Every school of mine was named for the area it was in.)
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« Reply #121 on: 15 May 2020, 09:10 »

Right, so everyone should still be calling Claire by her deadname and fussing when she doesn't dress/present like Clinton's brother.

Too serious?  :meh:

St.Clair,

I'm lost. What are you responding to and why do you think it goes in that direction?

The last few times I got this confused it was because someone had (wisely) deleted posts but the replies were still there.

I believe that was a response to BenRG's post in which he sort of said that to many people, their siblings are not really "allowed/supposed" to change, which seems to have been taken as allowing Claire's behavior w.r.t. not allowing Clinton changing. That in turn seems to have been taken to another level by posting s/t like "what if Clinton/we would not allow Claire's changes".

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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #122 on: 15 May 2020, 09:42 »

I do hope that we'll see some reaction from Clinton. I know it's Claire's party and all, but the last time my brother pulled something similar on me, I walked away and went home. It's not funny.

^This. CLaire's behavior here is simply unacceptable to me.
Clinton (3 years younger, btw) has shown in the past to be supportive, protective, and AFAICT respectful towards CLaire, and quite respectful in his interactions with other cast members like Brun and Emily as well.
Claire makes fun of him (fine), has been meddlesome in his affairs (not fine and rightfully called out on it), and now is simply disrespectful and downright mean to him. Not cool at all.
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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #123 on: 15 May 2020, 10:09 »

(For real, I never got to go to a school named for anyone cool... or anyone at all for that matter. Every school of mine was named for the area it was in.)
The schools I went to (elementary and junior/senior high school) were both named for a state senator from the 1800s.

The junior/senior high school has since been closed and replaced with a consolidated high school called "Mountain Ridge," which is impossible to pronounce without sounding like a hillbilly.
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« Reply #124 on: 15 May 2020, 10:38 »

(For real, I never got to go to a school named for anyone cool... or anyone at all for that matter. Every school of mine was named for the area it was in.)
The schools I went to (elementary and junior/senior high school) were both named for a state senator from the 1800s.

The junior/senior high school has since been closed and replaced with a consolidated high school called "Mountain Ridge," which is impossible to pronounce without sounding like a hillbilly.
I would give up a testicle to have gone to a school named for Neil Armstrong.
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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #125 on: 15 May 2020, 13:18 »


As a QA line inspector, I can very much relate to the negative experiences with stoners (and other drug-addled sorts). Suffice it to say that following simple rules (generally regarding PPE) is quite difcicult for some of them. Unfortunately, we're too short-handed on my shift at the moment to simply just can all of them.

Go on, by all means - please tell me exactly how you feel about 'sorts' like me.
Firstly, it should be noted that I didn't say "all" or use any blanket statements. Secondly, it should be mentioned that we have and had employees that actually used pot responsibly (i.e. didn't become a hazard to themselves and only smoked a little on break) [1].

Being that we work with food[2], constantly having to remind the same small handful of people to where their hairnets and/or beardnets or reminding them that they need to wash their hands after touching their faces[3] ~5x more often than everyone else gets pretty annoying pretty fast. Especially when they start acting like I'm 'the man' and I'm 'just keeping down' instead of trying to help them remain employed. For some of them, it doesn't matter how diplomatic I'm being [4]. Granted, that one is more likely to do with those individuals' temperaments.
The singular upside of the new owners deciding to drop the temp service [5][6] is that we don't have to deal with the bottom-of-the-barrel temps we were getting anymore[7]. Now if only we could get rid of the cokehead who keeps coming in hopped up on that mixed with whatever else.[8] The only reason she's even still employeed in the first place is because she's she's sleeping with her supervisor[9] and he's also a cokehead. His unwillingness to enforce the rules for the last decade also happens to be the reason why it's generally such a pain in the ass to enforce the rules (for the rest of management and myself).

[1] Naturally, this doesn't include the guy who stumbled in high as balls, hopped on his forklift and promptly backed into one of the concrete safety posts, narrowly missing one of the palletizers.
[2] A now pat response that I should really just get printed on some shirts.
[3] Or one of the other upteen thousand things grown-ass adults shouldn't have to be told or reminded about literally every day (short of a disibility).
[4] Samples include: "Oh hey, you're beardnet fell" (it didn't fall, I watched them pull it down). "Oh [name here] looks like you forgot your hairnet. It happens, I forgot mine earlier." (May or may not have legitimately forgot it. It was a struggle with some.)
[5] the reason we're short-handed rn.
[6] The new owners were getting tired of the steadily increasing number of customer complaints and bad/wasted product. The temps got the blame.
[7] Unable or unwilling to follow instructions, unwilling to follow proper procedures, general insubordination (not my call on that one), and generally shitty attitudes toward being expected to actually work. Many of them were also rather bad at actually showing up to work. Unfortunately, it was the temp service that was unwilling to work with those who had extenuating circumstances (we lost at least 10 really good temps to that).
[8] Results in tachycardia, confusion, excessive sweating, mild paranoia, and general anxiety. May or may not also be the cause of a number of cognitive dysfunctions. All of her other issues (includes severe auditory processing issues and mild hallucinations) are from all of the other hard drugs she took too much of for however long.
[9] They both make painfully obvious and one of the few rumors at work that I'll actually believe.


But, of course, this is all hearsay. And, since no names of any sorts were used, this is innactionable by HR  :wink:
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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #126 on: 15 May 2020, 13:30 »

I do hope that we'll see some reaction from Clinton. I know it's Claire's party and all, but the last time my brother pulled something similar on me, I walked away and went home. It's not funny.

^This. CLaire's behavior here is simply unacceptable to me.
Clinton (3 years younger, btw) has shown in the past to be supportive, protective, and AFAICT respectful towards CLaire, and quite respectful in his interactions with other cast members like Brun and Emily as well.
Claire makes fun of him (fine), has been meddlesome in his affairs (not fine and rightfully called out on it), and now is simply disrespectful and downright mean to him. Not cool at all.

To be fair, when first introduced, Clinton was not respectful or chill in his interactions with cast members (Hannelore comes to mind).
More recently, however, he has shown definite signs of improvement (IMO).
In the same timeframe, Claire has mostly been shown freaking the F out over stuff - by her own admission, and mostly over little things like her entire future, so... *shrug*
So... maybe I am taking it a bit too far, but I'm irritated by what could be construed as hypocrisy, gatekeeping, and/or not granting others the same respect and consideration one would want for (and has been shown to) oneself.

tl;dr - pot, kettle.
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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #127 on: 15 May 2020, 15:24 »

Not that you're going to see groups getting together during the pandemic, of course.
In fact, I know several people who've been playing D&D via Skype* while in lockdown.
*other online telecommunication services are available
Indeed, our group at work has switched to using a Teams call for discussion and Roll20.net for the mechanics. It's not as much fun as being in the same room and rolling proper dice, but it works prety well.
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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #128 on: 15 May 2020, 20:01 »

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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #129 on: 15 May 2020, 20:17 »

I'm frankly more irritated by this snap judgement of the posters in this thread than I have been of any other single post in WCDT in weeks.
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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #130 on: 15 May 2020, 20:55 »

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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #131 on: 15 May 2020, 21:17 »

That's something worthy of note about Clinton. He's exemplary in his support and understanding of his sister.
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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #132 on: 15 May 2020, 22:53 »

Totally. And whatever you might think of Claire, she and Clinton do know and understand each other. They are there for each other. This is just typical sibling verbal teasing between them. I've recently got more used to the idea that people who didn't grow up in that kind of environment might not see it for what it is, and might take it more seriously than is truly warranted.
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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #133 on: 16 May 2020, 05:53 »

Not just siblings giving each other shit.   I think that they might be a little more similar in terms of personality than either is willing to admit.
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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #134 on: 16 May 2020, 14:36 »

Totally. And whatever you might think of Claire, she and Clinton do know and understand each other. They are there for each other. This is just typical sibling verbal teasing between them. I've recently got more used to the idea that people who didn't grow up in that kind of environment might not see it for what it is, and might take it more seriously than is truly warranted.

Well....I do have 6 siblings and have plenty of experience with sibling teasing and rivalry. I didn't mean to imply that Claire needs to be chastised. But, still I don't think it's cool how Claire is acting towards Clinton, especially given the fact she's not a teenager but about 25 now.
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« Reply #135 on: 16 May 2020, 16:00 »

I didn't mean to imply that Claire needs to be chastised.

That surprises me because you described her behaviour as "disrespectful" and "unacceptable."
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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #136 on: 16 May 2020, 23:20 »

Claire you're gonna have to leave your own Chill zone, you are like the most unchill of the unchilled, you are the anti chill lmao
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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #137 on: 17 May 2020, 13:19 »

I do hope that we'll see some reaction from Clinton. I know it's Claire's party and all, but the last time my brother pulled something similar on me, I walked away and went home. It's not funny.

^This. CLaire's behavior here is simply unacceptable to me.
Clinton (3 years younger, btw) has shown in the past to be supportive, protective, and AFAICT respectful towards CLaire, and quite respectful in his interactions with other cast members like Brun and Emily as well.
Claire makes fun of him (fine), has been meddlesome in his affairs (not fine and rightfully called out on it), and now is simply disrespectful and downright mean to him. Not cool at all.

To be fair, when first introduced, Clinton was not respectful or chill in his interactions with cast members (Hannelore comes to mind).
More recently, however, he has shown definite signs of improvement (IMO).
In the same timeframe, Claire has mostly been shown freaking the F out over stuff - by her own admission, and mostly over little things like her entire future, so... *shrug*
So... maybe I am taking it a bit too far, but I'm irritated by what could be construed as hypocrisy, gatekeeping, and/or not granting others the same respect and consideration one would want for (and has been shown to) oneself.

tl;dr - pot, kettle.
They're siblings. It's pretty realistic from that standpoint.
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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #138 on: 17 May 2020, 13:30 »

Also the characters are only graduating now so Marten is what, 23 now at most? I don't think everybody has grown up to own their nerd nerdhood by then. Some never do.

It's my understanding that Claire was a graduate student, so she and Marten are probably closer to 25

I'm not sure if we ever got an age for Marten, but Claire was 24 when she was interning at the library, so I'm assuming that it is now at least a year later and she is at least 25.

According to a timeline created at some point, which I believe to be reasonably accurate, Marten was born in 1981 and about 2 years had passed in the first 3000 comics or so, which put comic 3078 around October 2005 (which would put Marten at 24 at that point). Assuming the passing of time has been more or less at the same pace plus a time jump around comic 3100 (I'm too lazy to actually work on the time line myself), I would put it another 1-2 years further in the future  or so, so Marten is probably 25-26 at the moment. Just guessing here though.

Edit: I found that timeline here

But looking at it again, some of it is off. For example. it has put Marten moving to Northampton in summer 2003 and meeting Faye in November 2003, but that can't be correct, because in comic 2332 Pintsize mentions he was Marten's only friend in Northampton for 2 years before he met Steve.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter. I kinda want to make a QC timeline myself, but at the same time I know I don't have the time to actually do it.....

Judging by Thursday's comic he was in 9th grade after element 118 was named Oganesson, which in our universe at least happened in November 2016.
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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #139 on: 18 May 2020, 05:45 »

I didn't mean to imply that Claire needs to be chastised.

That surprises me because you described her behaviour as "disrespectful" and "unacceptable."

I see what you mean. I guess to me the word 'chastise' means a severe (verbal, usually) punishing, which I don't always find warranted even if I find certain behavior by itself unacceptable. For example, if somebody doesn't pick up their dog's poop, I find it unacceptable but I don't find it warrants chastising, but instead just a simple "hey, please pick up after your dog". Not sure if this makes sense, maybe only to me, ha!  :-)
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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #140 on: 18 May 2020, 05:59 »

That's interesting, because I would think of a simple "hey, please pick up after your dog" as chastising, whereas describing something as "unacceptable" sounds to me much more serious. So in your example, I'd find it warrants chastising, but ... okay, actually I'd find that unacceptable as well. I am pretty unimpressed by people who don't pick up after their pets.

Anyway, this is not the first time that I have interpreted the weight of words people use differently than intended!
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« Reply #141 on: 18 May 2020, 06:06 »

That's interesting, because I would think of a simple "hey, please pick up after your dog" as chastising, whereas describing something as "unacceptable" sounds to me much more serious. So in your example, I'd find it warrants chastising, but ... okay, actually I'd find that unacceptable as well. I am pretty unimpressed by people who don't pick up after their pets.

Anyway, this is not the first time that I have interpreted the weight of words people use differently than intended!

Maybe it has to do with how some English words/expressions are taught to us in the Netherlands, some of what I was originally taught I'm sure still lingers in my brain despite having lived in the US for so long now!
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« Reply #142 on: 18 May 2020, 06:09 »

It could be. But then, I am pretty sure I've had these kinds of conversations with other native speakers of English, including other Australians. It probably depends heavily on the context in which you've previously seen those words used.
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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #143 on: 18 May 2020, 09:42 »

The OED has "Reprimand, rebuke" and "Punish (esp. corporal)" as alternate threads of meaning for "chastise".  It shows no preference, neither by period nor by territory.
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Re: WCDT 4261-4265 Mon 11th to Fri 15th May 2020
« Reply #144 on: 19 May 2020, 23:24 »

I am delighted that Hannelore realized that she wanted a hug and was able to receive one. Yay!

Also Bubbles demonstrates the importance of balance.
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« Reply #145 on: 21 May 2020, 10:46 »

Also Bubbles demonstrates the importance of balance.
I was hearing Bub's gyros whine the entire time it was just Emily swinging...
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