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Author Topic: WCDT Strips 4321-4325 (3-7 August 2020)  (Read 3609 times)

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Re: WCDT Strips 4321-4325 (3-7 August 2020)
« Reply #150 on: 09 Aug 2020, 15:20 »

Bubbles did explicitly state in 3376 that backup is possible.

Like his characters, Jeph's conception of AIs has doubtless evolved over time.

We may be enlightened in the future if motivated by story.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4321-4325 (3-7 August 2020)
« Reply #151 on: 09 Aug 2020, 16:10 »

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Re: WCDT Strips 4321-4325 (3-7 August 2020)
« Reply #152 on: 09 Aug 2020, 17:21 »

Thank you, Tova.

OK, I see why Bubbles's non-threat was so dramatic. Backup or not, who was going to restore Corpse Witch? Destroying her substrate would in practical terms have been the end of her.

Raising the question of whether there is a legal duty to preserve and re-house backups of synthetic people. After all, failure to do so ends a life.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4321-4325 (3-7 August 2020)
« Reply #153 on: 10 Aug 2020, 06:47 »

Why would such a code be in the chassis when the substrate of their mind units has got to be unique? 

I'd imagine that AIs would be required to broadcast some form of digital signature - perhaps tied to the specific substrate they're running on?

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Hmmm.  My reply seems to have gone missing.  And we're using substrate in different ways which may add to the confusion.  So a substrateless restatement:
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For identification purposes, why would an AI include a serial from their chassis?

Good question - why would it? FWIW, I do not assume that this concept would make much sense, and the second sentence in my post that you quoted ("If AIs could evade identification with something akin to MAC spoofing, QCverse law enforcement would have some serious trouble, I suppose?") was actually me proposing a counter-argument against the feasibility of the 'serial in chassis' concept (IIRC, that latter sentence was in reply to a post by IICIH upthread from mine).

So it appears the only thing we disagree on ... is more or less that there's disagreement at all?  :psyduck:

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Re: WCDT Strips 4321-4325 (3-7 August 2020)
« Reply #154 on: 10 Aug 2020, 10:44 »

May not be quite relevant to this universe, since we have seen AI's move between bodies without too much hassle:  A different take on substrate based on quantum entanglements, from Never Mind The Gap by View, taking a backup is  a destructive read-out of the old gestalt, then that media has to be carefully read into the new before it can begin processing again. 
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Re: WCDT Strips 4321-4325 (3-7 August 2020)
« Reply #155 on: 10 Aug 2020, 13:27 »

AI substrates, otoh, are, according to JJ, the result of an 'emergent process' that is intrinsicly linked to both the AI running on the specific substrate, as as its the cumulative history (its 'past' if you will - the sum of all its thoughts & actions). The term I use by myself is 'analog/human-grade distinguishability' - meaning that the substrate shapes the AI at the same time that the AI shapes its substrate and the result is as unique as the duality making up your body and 'soul' (for lack of a better term).
I'd say the distinguishability of cybrids is more like how you can recognize your flesh-bound friend's manner of speaking when he's online; not conclusive, but you can put some tests by trying by giving one idea to the digital persona and see how your flesh-bound friend (doesn't) change.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4321-4325 (3-7 August 2020)
« Reply #156 on: 10 Aug 2020, 21:11 »

Why would such a code be in the chassis when the substrate of their mind units has got to be unique? 

I'd imagine that AIs would be required to broadcast some form of digital signature - perhaps tied to the specific substrate they're running on?

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Hmmm.  My reply seems to have gone missing.  And we're using substrate in different ways which may add to the confusion.  So a substrateless restatement:
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Sorry for the late reply.

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For identification purposes, why would an AI include a serial from their chassis?

Good question - why would it? FWIW, I do not assume that this concept would make much sense, and the second sentence in my post that you quoted ("If AIs could evade identification with something akin to MAC spoofing, QCverse law enforcement would have some serious trouble, I suppose?") was actually me proposing a counter-argument against the feasibility of the 'serial in chassis' concept (IIRC, that latter sentence was in reply to a post by IICIH upthread from mine).

So it appears the only thing we disagree on ... is more or less that there's disagreement at all?  :psyduck:

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