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What age range were you in when you were in your first serious relationship?

14 to 19
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20 to 24
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25 to 29
- 7 (10.8%)
30 to 34
- 3 (4.6%)
35 to 39
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40 to 44
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45 to 49
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50 to 54
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55 to 60
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a different age range
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not interested
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none yet
- 8 (12.3%)
Sven is not a mooch
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WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« on: 15 Aug 2020, 08:40 »

Everybody progresses at a different rate on the romance front, and not everyone is even interested in romance.
What may come of this, time (and Jeph) will tell. Hopefully, we find out this week.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #1 on: 15 Aug 2020, 09:16 »

Everybody progresses at a different rate on the romance front, and not everyone is even interested in romance.
What may come of this, time (and Jeph) will tell. Hopefully, we find out this week.

Or have forgotten how that feels. I've heard of people who felt like teenagers again after having gone back to dating after decades and meeting the right people.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #2 on: 15 Aug 2020, 14:47 »

I had my first serious (and only) relationship at 19, and ended up marrying him. Which is great in many ways, although I sometimes wonder if I have 'missed out' on anything by not dating around more. Luckily my husband is the kind of person I can talk to about things like that.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #3 on: 15 Aug 2020, 20:26 »

Happy for you!

As far as "missing out" goes, my wife and I have a recurring exchange that goes
"Thank you for saving me from dating".
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #4 on: 16 Aug 2020, 02:01 »

I had my first serious (and only) relationship at 19, and ended up marrying him. Which is great in many ways, although I sometimes wonder if I have 'missed out' on anything by not dating around more. Luckily my husband is the kind of person I can talk to about things like that.

As I understand it, that's a somewhat common sentiment. Though, dwelling on what could have been often gets us nowhere.
[Unless you're writing an alternative history story of some variety.]
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #5 on: 16 Aug 2020, 02:31 »

It's not like I'm spending my days grieving over lost dating opportunities ;) It comes up sometimes while watching movies and seeing the characters there moving through different relationships, getting over break ups and heartbreaks, etc. I've never done that, and that makes me feel like I can't really understand what the characters are experiencing. It's a small niggle, and not something that keeps me up at night.

You never know what life is going to throw at you, so I might still get to do this (break up, etc), only at a later stage of life.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #6 on: 16 Aug 2020, 15:57 »

Pwhodges once posted the brutal fact that all relationships end, either in a breakup or a funeral.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #7 on: 16 Aug 2020, 18:00 »

Comic’s up.

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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #8 on: 16 Aug 2020, 18:22 »

This is what I was expecting from Friday's comic.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #9 on: 16 Aug 2020, 18:30 »

QC: Subverting Expectations since 2003.
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« Reply #10 on: 16 Aug 2020, 18:31 »

How long are we going to have to wait?

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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #11 on: 16 Aug 2020, 18:34 »

Ha, called it! I figured Clinton would have to go away and think about it :)
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #12 on: 16 Aug 2020, 18:48 »

QC: Subverting Expectations since 2003.

There are probably more interesting examples of subverting expectations than, "This happened one day later than expected..."
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #13 on: 16 Aug 2020, 19:09 »

Don't you hate it when they get the filling wrong?  :-P

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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #14 on: 16 Aug 2020, 21:29 »

I figured as much. Considering Clinton isn't just straight out saying "I'm not gay" then presumably he is bisexual. Well, at least Clinton has had only one and very brief on screen relationship with a woman and he's stated to have little to no real success with women before then. It's not like Jeph is contradicting any previously established history here.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #15 on: 16 Aug 2020, 21:29 »

lol "pork"
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #16 on: 16 Aug 2020, 23:09 »

Poor Elliot though! It says a lot about him that he was expecting Clinton to say no to the point where he was actually trying to twist everything around into a coded phrase for 'no' or some kind of indirect rejection. I don't know if he's got low self-esteem or has just been rejected a lot (and, honestly, I cannot see why the latter would be the case).

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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #17 on: 16 Aug 2020, 23:51 »

Poor Elliot though! It says a lot about him that he was expecting Clinton to say no to the point where he was actually trying to twist everything around into a coded phrase for 'no' or some kind of indirect rejection. I don't know if he's got low self-esteem or has just been rejected a lot (and, honestly, I cannot see why the latter would be the case).

Burrito lady? There is a reason why you should always write down your orders.
Self-confidence counts for a lot, and I've seen people with all different appearances and body types being bullied and outcast not any number of stupid reasons.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #18 on: 17 Aug 2020, 00:09 »

I don't know if he's got low self-esteem or has just been rejected a lot (and, honestly, I cannot see why the latter would be the case).

May I point to all previous remarks and discussion around large people and trying to act non-threatening? That's at least one reason.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #19 on: 17 Aug 2020, 00:53 »

Absolutely.  I'm 6'4", and of a larger build than I'd like.  I'm extremely self-conscious about it, and do try to make myself look smaller all the time, especially when I get the vibe that someone finds it intimidating.  As a result, I generally try to be polite, and kinda vanish into the background.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #20 on: 17 Aug 2020, 01:21 »

Yeah, Elliot does have that problem
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #21 on: 17 Aug 2020, 02:21 »

Got stuffed with the wrong meat. Accidents happen.

I'd be happy for both Clinton and Elliot to work out.
BuT wHaT aBoUt Brun? I don't think she's interested in either of them, and she'll find some other person.
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« Reply #22 on: 17 Aug 2020, 04:06 »

BuT wHaT aBoUt Brun? I don't think she's interested in either of them, and she'll find some other person.

Brun is a difficult case to assess; I honestly wonder if she may be aromantic. In any case, I suspect that she more than most of the main cast cannot be expected to just guess from Elliot and Clinton's behaviour that they're romantically interested in her. Clinton has told her that he finds her attractive but she responded so non-committally to that I'm not sure she made the connection between physical attraction and romantic attraction. This may be due to her experiences; it is implied that her former boss coerced her into letting customers sexually abuse her so she might have a difficult time associating physical attraction with anything positive.

That said, Brun's first date (with Millifeulle) seems to have surprised her (I don't think that she knew what a 'date' was supposed to be or that she could like it). So, who knows, if Clinton and Elliot finally have the courage to tell her about  their feelings, it may trigger a response that is far more positive than anyone can believe!
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #23 on: 17 Aug 2020, 04:51 »

It's not like I'm spending my days grieving over lost dating opportunities ;) It comes up sometimes while watching movies and seeing the characters there moving through different relationships, getting over break ups and heartbreaks, etc. I've never done that, and that makes me feel like I can't really understand what the characters are experiencing. It's a small niggle, and not something that keeps me up at night.

You never know what life is going to throw at you, so I might still get to do this (break up, etc), only at a later stage of life.

Never Ever EVER feel you've missed out on anything by not having had any other partners.
I've had many. (including one early marriage that was over within 2 years)
I'm 57 now, was married again 4 years ago, and some memories of many of my previous relationships still (for want of a better word) haunt me.
The nice things always seem to fade away, but the hellishness of break-ups, after all the words of love and caring and "forever"-ness - still burn a little.

All you've missed is heartbreak - and a lifetime of dwelling on things that went wrong (with sometimes no real reason behind it)  - and I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #24 on: 17 Aug 2020, 06:18 »

Burrito lady? There is a reason why you should always write down your orders.

We just had a name for those two: Burrito Lady and Burrito Bot.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #25 on: 17 Aug 2020, 09:29 »

I believe Clinton -did- say 'pork'. BluBelle is being snarky.

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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #26 on: 17 Aug 2020, 10:02 »

[...] it is implied that her former boss coerced her into letting customers sexually abuse her [...]

It is? When?
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« Reply #27 on: 17 Aug 2020, 10:41 »

[...] it is implied that her former boss coerced her into letting customers sexually abuse her [...]

It is? When?

I wish I remembered in detail but I think it was in the same arc where Brun and Clinton went on a similar not-date to the one Clinton went on with Elliot just now. During which they talked about relationships and Brun mentioned that her employer had pressured her to let the clientele leer at her and generally disrespect her boundaries.

IIRC, it included Clinton visualising Elliot as a giant caveman ready to fight him for Brun's attention.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #28 on: 17 Aug 2020, 11:36 »

The body language going on here is so nuanced and I love it so much. Also, Clinton saying "the only thing messed up about lunch" etc sounds like EXACTLY SOMETHING I WOULD SAY if I were trying to secret-code-style reassure someone I liked them without saying it out loud yet

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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #29 on: 17 Aug 2020, 12:35 »

BuT wHaT aBoUt Brun? I don't think she's interested in either of them, and she'll find some other person.

Brun is a difficult case to assess; I honestly wonder if she may be aromantic.

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I don't think Brun has figured out her own sexual/romantic orientation yet. When she went on the breakfast date with Mille, she didn't really hint at how she felt other than friendship. With Brun, "It was fun to do that with you" could mean anything from polite disinterest to an expression of love. Probably not polite disinterest--her thoughts showed she was being honest--but it's tricky to tell if it went past friendship. Same with Clinton; she sort of takes in any information he gives her and stores it away.

Out of all the possible speculations, aromantic makes the most sense, but I think it's too early to tell.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #30 on: 17 Aug 2020, 13:13 »

[...] it is implied that her former boss coerced her into letting customers sexually abuse her [...]

It is? When?

I wish I remembered in detail but I think it was in the same arc where Brun and Clinton went on a similar not-date to the one Clinton went on with Elliot just now. During which they talked about relationships and Brun mentioned that her employer had pressured her to let the clientele leer at her and generally disrespect her boundaries.

IIRC, it included Clinton visualising Elliot as a giant caveman ready to fight him for Brun's attention.
I can't find anything with all those pieces together, but here are the closest things I could find:

3262: Brun's former boss possibly doing "something ethically questionable"
3446: mention of a bar patron harassing Brun (no mention of the boss knowing)
3496: Brun & Clinton having lunch together
3507: Clinton imagines Elliot as a cave man
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #31 on: 17 Aug 2020, 13:53 »

I always read the "ethically questionable" as things like "watering down the beer" or "not declaring things for tax", tbh.
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« Reply #32 on: 17 Aug 2020, 13:58 »

There's another possibility with Brun. Sometimes those of us on the autism spectrum get the idea that romantic relationships are off-limits to us, because "Who would ever want to be with a weirdo like you?" Brun likely had to endure some of that kind of bullying, judging by the glimpse we saw of her high school years. She might have simply resigned herself to the idea that romance is another one of those things that she's not allowed to do, and is only slowly starting to get the idea that it might not be so.
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« Reply #33 on: 17 Aug 2020, 14:10 »

I always read the "ethically questionable" as things like "watering down the beer" or "not declaring things for tax", tbh.
Or the Classical trick of swapping a cheaper beer with approximately the same colour in for whatever the customer actually ordered once you judge them drunk enough not to notice.
Watering beer is actually jail time illegal in some places while “accidentally” serving the wrong thing isn’t - especially if you apologise and give a refund when (if) they complain.
Other options include topping off discarded/abandoned drinks and serving them to new customers, serving Dollar-store wine mixed with sugar and cheap vodka as “sherry”, and of course good old fashioned charging more per pint as they get more soused, most of which are straight up illegal in most places, but that only stops a few people.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #34 on: 17 Aug 2020, 14:37 »

In my grandparents' bar, it was usual to swap the drink ordered by someone who had had to many with something alcohol free - or close enough not to matter - but they didn't charge incorrectly. Then again, it's not the kind of thing that really can fly if you have mostly regulars, who know what the policy is. And they also knew there's be a ride home, if needed.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #35 on: 17 Aug 2020, 14:52 »

Other options include topping off discarded/abandoned drinks and serving them to new customers


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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #36 on: 17 Aug 2020, 18:26 »

Comic up!

Claire's got to learn to pretend to be chill again.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #37 on: 17 Aug 2020, 18:35 »

Claire has NEVER BEEN HAPPIER. Her brother has finally asked her for relationship advice!
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #38 on: 17 Aug 2020, 18:52 »

 :-D  Poor Clinton.

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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #39 on: 17 Aug 2020, 19:02 »

:-D  Poor Clinton.

Clinton needs to just buckle down and ask her if she can hold back on the squealing until they've finished talking. We've seen plenty of proof that Claire can be reasonable and give good advice, but in her current state, I doubt she'd be much of a help.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #40 on: 17 Aug 2020, 21:53 »

I can't blame Clinton for having that reaction.
Had I a sister who did that, that'd be my reaction too. Hell, that be my reaction if my older brother did that as well.
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« Reply #41 on: 17 Aug 2020, 21:53 »

In my own life, I was taught the "F*ck Yes" rule. If you ask someone out, anything other than a "F*ck Yes" (Not literally that word, but used to imply a definitive and firm yes) is really a no.

I've found it's generally true. "Maybe" "I'll get back to you" "I"ll let you know" "I'll think about it" "We might" "We could" generally are code for "no."

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« Reply #42 on: 17 Aug 2020, 22:07 »

Personally, I’ve mostly stumbled into my relationships.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #43 on: 17 Aug 2020, 22:15 »

In my own life, I was taught the "F*ck Yes" rule. If you ask someone out, anything other than a "F*ck Yes" (Not literally that word, but used to imply a definitive and firm yes) is really a no.

I've found it's generally true. "Maybe" "I'll get back to you" "I"ll let you know" "I'll think about it" "We might" "We could" generally are code for "no."

So I'll be interested to see how this places out.

Elliot skirted around really asking Clinton out, though.  Not sure he everreally did, just implied it...


Expecting anything other than skirting around the topic from Clinton may be expecting too much.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #44 on: 17 Aug 2020, 23:21 »

It's taken us a while to get here but, at last, we've come to the essential core and truth of Claire's worldview: She wants everyone she knows to live in a cheesy and lightly comedic romance!

Of course, I think that her own experience with Marten has greatly influenced her. The whole thing has been a bizarre series of meet-cute incidents, comedic misunderstandings and unplanned sweetly romantic moments. It's influenced her to assume that this is how an ideal romance happens! Yes, there have been missteps but, all-in-all, she's pretty sure that it's ideal so everyone else should be part of this narrative too!

Will she eventually walk into the Fourth Wall?

Claire has NEVER BEEN HAPPIER. Her brother has finally asked her for relationship advice!

It's not the possibility of giving advice that overjoys Claire, it's the possibility that Clinton is also now in his own romcom!
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #45 on: 17 Aug 2020, 23:28 »

[...] although I sometimes wonder if I have 'missed out' on anything by not dating around more. [...]
Hollywood movies keep talking about that, but why the heck would that ever be true.

A failed relationship is just a hole in your heart you gladly forget about over time. Its no fun and its nothing anyone needs.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #46 on: 17 Aug 2020, 23:35 »

At best, it's a painful learning experience.  I knew one couple that got married a few days after he turned 18 (she was about two weeks older).  No one in our social circle thought that it'd last, but 20 years on, as far as I know, they're still happy together.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #47 on: 18 Aug 2020, 00:47 »

Claire does like rom coms
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #48 on: 18 Aug 2020, 01:06 »

I had my first serious (and only) relationship at 19, and ended up marrying him. Which is great in many ways, although I sometimes wonder if I have 'missed out' on anything by not dating around more.
I started dating at 20, married her at 23, and nearly 24 years later we're still together and have three teenagers (yay...).

I would agree with what others have said, that you have not missed out on anything that you would be better off for having experienced. Though of course I'm in the same boat as you and you might fairly consider my perspective to be lacking in this area.

If there's something that you have to do often, it makes sense to learn to cope with failure. If you are doing maths homework and you can't get a proof to come out right, it's good to examine that and develop strategies for the next time you get stuck, and also to make sure you keep trying and don't just give up. But that's because you know you're going to get more maths homework, and you want to do better next time.

But with relationships, if you get it right the first time, you don't have to go and do another one the next week. Instead you can devote your time and energy to the one you have already established and nurture it, which is better for all involved.

Would life have been different if you'd chosen someone else? Yes, and undoubtedly it would be better in some ways and worse in others. But that's not the point. It's not about trying to find your "soulmate" (a poisonous notion for which popular media has much to answer). It's about making a choice and a committment. Part of that committment is not spending serious time wondering about the other choices you could have made. The occasional "what if" isn't a problem, but if you find yourself asking it more and more often, you need to start paying attention to the choice you did make, because there's work that needs to be done. Any successful long term relationship needs continuing work and investment, just as a home or a car needs maintenance. It's easy to let it drift until the minor, unnoticed issues suddenly build up to something big, and a ceiling falls down or steam starts coming from the engine. We all have to guard against that tendency.

As for whether adversity makes you stronger - really commit to a marriage and over the course of a few decades you'll undoubtedly encounter all the adversity you need. It's not in short supply! There's no need for nor moral benefit to piling it up ahead of time.
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Re: WCDT Strips 4331-4335 (18-22, August 2020)
« Reply #49 on: 18 Aug 2020, 01:28 »

Claire has NEVER BEEN HAPPIER. Her brother has finally asked her for relationship advice!

And she blew it spectacularly!
« Last Edit: 18 Aug 2020, 01:37 by traroth »
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