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[shanejayell]

Huh.

One wonders if Marten's Mom has a Onlyfans, and if that has come up...

[dreed]

Han is beloved daughter of a multi billioner.
It's silly to discuss whether she is rich herself or not. Her wealth exist in completely different realm than regular people.

If she walks without cc, cash, into most expensive hotel on earth, as long as she can prove that she is who she is she will stay in suite for "free"
And if she wants to buy a chocolate bar in local coffee shop, she needs to worry if she has cash on her or she transfered enough to her debit card or if she has spare debt on her cc she manually pays off.
If she wants a new Ferrari, again, she has no need for money to get it.
Han lives regular life, probably budgets her monthly expenses based on her coffee shop wages and the counting gig she has/had on the side.
But at moment notice she can access to tens of millions of dollars worth of goods and services


Anyway
Today's comic.

Bad bad form from Han.  Merigold is uncomfortable about her income and even to Dora, Han should have not said anything. It's really really rude.

[Torlek]

Huh.

One wonders if Marten's Mom has a Onlyfans, and if that has come up...

Veronica had been at her profession long enough she certainly owned VeronicaVance.com (there's at least two characters that admitted to fapping to her on the Internet and Dora had pinups) and may have even owned her own small studio. If she's got an OnlyFans now it's just for the lulz.

Is having an OnlyFans more reputable than being a Vtuber?

Discuss.

I would argue it's probably safer to have an OnlyFans than it is to be a Vtuber. You get doxxed on your OnlyFans, you might lose a job and be shunned by your family depending on how Puritanical of a bent they are. You get doxxed as a streaming persona and you get swatted and/or deranged stalkers.

[Farideh]

I don't know what OnlyFans is. Do I WANT to know?

Oh dear Marigold, you're digging yourself into a hole here. It would've been much better if Hanners hadn't told Dora about what they were doing. On the other hand, you don't go to a coffee shop for privacy.

[Gus_Smedstad]

[url=<put url here>]<put text here>[/url]

It's worth noting that quoting a message that does something you want to do can be really informative. Because the quote will show the proper BBCode.

For example, I had no idea how to suppress the code-parsing, as you did there. After quoting your message, I now know about the [nobbc] tag.

[sitnspin]

The irony is that the wealthier you are, the more likely you are to not have to pay for things.

[Gus_Smedstad]

I don't know what OnlyFans is. Do I WANT to know?

I gather it's a sexy photos site. Which is somehow monetized, so you can get money for posting your photos.

That's as much as I've learned through osmosis. Referring to an "OnlyFans" photo is a common meme these days, and it's pretty clear what they mean.

[Farideh]

The irony is that the wealthier you are, the more likely you are to not have to pay for things.

Like taxes 

[flondrix]

"The Internet is really really greeeeat."

"FOR PORN."

♫
The Internet is for porn,
The Internet is for porn,
Why you think the net was born? PORN, PORN, PORN!
♫

[Potato Farmer]

I don't know what OnlyFans is. Do I WANT to know?

I gather it's a sexy photos site. Which is somehow monetized, so you can get money for posting your photos.

That's as much as I've learned through osmosis. Referring to an "OnlyFans" photo is a common meme these days, and it's pretty clear what they mean.

You can think of it as similar to Twitch, except aside from streams it can also be used for photos, videos, and livechat.

And unlike Twitch you can only access content you're paying for, which is part of the reason why it's popular in the adult entertainment industry. It can also be used for non-sexual content, of course, but most of the time there are other services which are more suitable for that due to being larger and more well-known.

[SomeGuy84]

On page 4492 Clinton's mom says she has about 40 thousand subscribers
On page 4493 Clinton's mom says her friend Burger Oni just broke 200 thousand (implying subscribers)
On page 4497 Marigold says she should get online and see if she can join Clinton's mom's stream. This is followed by Clinton's mom saying that Burger Oni has just got online and wants to meet Clinton.

So from this we can infer that Marigold is Burger Oni and has over 200 thousand subscribers

While we don't know what streaming looks like in the world of QC we can make estimates based on our world. On Twitch a subscriber typically pays $5.00 per month and typically half of that goes to the streamer.

So on that basis, with 200 000 subscribers, at $2.50 per month, Marigold is pulling in about a half million per month.

[Farideh]

Then again, look at YouTube. You can subscribe to a channel without paying a cent.

[Shjade]

Tai does sound like someone you might encounter in Northampton in Massachusetts in our timeline--but that's still not normal.

When I said there are no normal people in Northampton, I wasn't just referring to Jeph's fictional version of it.

Except I don't live in Northampton and she sounds normal to me.

Today's comic: Dora being a good supportive friend, nice.

[Gus_Smedstad]

So on that basis, with 200 000 subscribers, at $2.50 per month, Marigold is pulling in about a half million per month.

I think the only safe assumption is that Marigold is making as much money as Jeph wants her to make for the purposes of the plot.

[Jimor]

Then again, look at YouTube. You can subscribe to a channel without paying a cent.

I expect Jeph knows the difference, but on the other hand, the *vast* majority of people are going to understand "subscribe" in the YouTube sense rather than the Twitch sense, so it's possible he used that sense of the word for greatest common understanding. On the other other hand, his audience probably tends towards people who know more about both platforms. Hard to tell what he means until he confirms one way or another (or it never comes up again )

Re: Only Fans, I have a couple of streamer friends who use it. As somebody said above, it's technically a site you can use for any kind of personal content, but lewds and nudes tend to be what people use it for most. Some choose to keep it short of nudity, some don't. They're also really strict about complying with age confirmation/identification (as they should be). One friend had her page pulled down when her license expired until she could renew it, even though technically they had already confirmed her age with the previously valid government document.

[sitnspin]

Tai does sound like someone you might encounter in Northampton in Massachusetts in our timeline--but that's still not normal.

When I said there are no normal people in Northampton, I wasn't just referring to Jeph's fictional version of it.

It's important to remember that your own experiences can not be extrapolated to everyone else.

[Perfectly Reasonable]

So from this we can infer that Marigold is Burger Oni and has over 200 thousand subscribers

Welcome, clever new person!

[Nepiophage]

It's important to remember that your own experiences can not be extrapolated to everyone else.

All we forumites should remember this.

[Oenone]

They’ve got to be friends online. Ones a cow with too many boobs and the other is a demon beef burger.

[shanejayell]

New comic. OK, that's funny...

Also, new shirt.

[Farideh]

Dora, Dora, Dora... You'd think that, as a business owner, she'd be better at listening to people. Otherwise everyone would walk away with the wrong coffee order.

I can see this coming back to haunt Marigold in the future, unless someone manages to set Dora straight (fast!)


I kinda want that t-shirt, even though only 50% of the text applies to me (the first half). Is that a good enough reason?

[awkwardness]

I see a lot of replies here to the extent of "Hanners has a shit-ton of money", but has it ever actually been established taht Hanners herself has that much money?

I've read all of QC a few times now, and granted it has been quite a while I did a complete read-through, but I don't recall the above being established. Yes she has very, very wealthy parents, but we should all know that that doesn't automatically mean Hanners has a lot of money herself.

She did very early on comment on having more than sufficient to live on, but if I recall correctly that was more because she was living very simply with minimal furniture and saved most of what she made from counting things. EVen though she got WInslow a chassis and went on a long trip, I don't think it's enough to assume she is filthy rich herself.

Unless I forgot that fact being established somewhere, in which case I have wasted 5 minutes writing a pointless post

She is the sole heir of two powerful and extremely rich businesspeople. At minimum she has a huge trust fund set aside for her at birth, complete with stock in the company, access to company properties(vacation homes, private jets, the station!), rights to use company resources, and other things. She only has to work because of her mind needing the distraction, it's therapeutic more than anything.

Basically, she's the QC equivalent of Lisa, Reed, Erin, or Eve Jobs or Jennifer, Rory, or Phoebe Gates. She has a LOT of wealth, but chooses to not use it due to her own reasons.

[flondrix]

If Hanners had access to unlimited wealth, raising the money for May's new body would have been less of an issue.

As for the Gates kids, hasn't Bill arranged for them to not be spending their adult lives in the lap of luxury?

At least, some famous rich people have, I thought the Gates were among them.

[Farideh]

Having access to wealth doesn't mean immediate access. Also, Hanners doesn't strike me as the type to just throw money at a problem like she's an affluent fairy. When it came to May's new body, she was asked to contribute, which is what she did.

[Tova]

... At minimum she has a huge trust fund set aside for her at birth, complete with stock in the company, access to company properties(vacation homes, private jets, the station!), rights to use company resources, and other things. She only has to work because of her mind needing the distraction, it's therapeutic more than anything.

Basically, she's the QC equivalent of Lisa, Reed, Erin, or Eve Jobs or Jennifer, Rory, or Phoebe Gates. She has a LOT of wealth, but chooses to not use it due to her own reasons.

That all seems speculative. Got a link?

[Shjade]

I can see this coming back to haunt Marigold in the future, unless someone manages to set Dora straight (fast!)

I think Tai would complain if you set Dora straight. 

[Perfectly Reasonable]

Dora, Dora, Dora... You'd think that, as a business owner, she'd be better at listening to people. Otherwise everyone would walk away with the wrong coffee order.

What part of "Coffee of Doom" do you not understand? You take what you get and are thankful.

[flondrix]

I can see this coming back to haunt Marigold in the future, unless someone manages to set Dora straight (fast!)

I think Tai would complain if you set Dora straight. 

1) Is there a rimshot emoji?

2) Can we access generic non-QC emojis in the editor?  I wanted to put a musical note in my text a while back, and ended up using a unicode, which may or may not have rendered properly on other people's screens.

[flondrix]

Dora, Dora, Dora... You'd think that, as a business owner, she'd be better at listening to people. Otherwise everyone would walk away with the wrong coffee order.

What part of "Coffee of Doom" do you not understand? You take what you get and are thankful.

Coffee of Doom has changed since Faye was fired.

Though the lingering name could be a problem.

[Farideh]

I think Tai would complain if you set Dora straight. 

Well played indeed

What part of "Coffee of Doom" do you not understand? You take what you get and are thankful.

To a certain degree, anyway

[Scarlet Manuka]

... At minimum she has a huge trust fund set aside for her at birth, complete with stock in the company, access to company properties(vacation homes, private jets, the station!), rights to use company resources, and other things. She only has to work because of her mind needing the distraction, it's therapeutic more than anything.

Basically, she's the QC equivalent of Lisa, Reed, Erin, or Eve Jobs or Jennifer, Rory, or Phoebe Gates. She has a LOT of wealth, but chooses to not use it due to her own reasons.

That all seems speculative. Got a link?

The part about work being for therapuetic reasons is attested in #1709: her reasons for applying are "I thought it might be fun and I talked to my therapist and she said it'd be a good experience for me". There's similar wording in 1707 as well.

[Mr Intrepid]

 Vis and vis Dora blowing Marigold's cover, Hanners has worked at CoD for quite some time,  and there hasn't been droves of people trying to meet her and pitching ideas, hoping for backing or just getting a photo with her.  Marigold is likely pretty safe.

[Farideh]

Hannelore isn't a streaming sensation. She is 'just' the daughter of John Ellicott-Chatham, and even she got Clinton fan-boying out on her.

With Marigold's streaming persona being so well known and popular, she's likely not wrong in presuming that her fans would go above and beyond trying to figure out her real identity.

[Sorflakne]

Marigold's not wrong in wanting to keep her identity a secret. Too many creeps out there who harass women streamers and think they're entitled to special attention just because they dropped $X on them.

[Torlek]

Mar-bear is wise to the ways of the Internet. It's her native habitat, she knows the dangers that lurk there.

[shanejayell]

Makes sense to me...

[awkwardness]

I don't know what OnlyFans is. Do I WANT to know?

I gather it's a sexy photos site. Which is somehow monetized, so you can get money for posting your photos.

That's as much as I've learned through osmosis. Referring to an "OnlyFans" photo is a common meme these days, and it's pretty clear what they mean.

On the money in a way: it's nude pictures, videos, livestreams that you subscribe to individually instead of on the site as a whole(hence, "only fans")

Marigold's not wrong in wanting to keep her identity a secret. Too many creeps out there who harass women streamers and think they're entitled to special attention just because they dropped $X on them.

Exactly that. There's likely more who'd go after her for her looks and being a woman than would stalk her, but even so it's for safety reasons that a lot of major YouTuber/Twitch streamer keep their true selves a secret especially gamers.

And I know that there's a bunch that show their faces, but those who do aren't average to below average in looks as Marigold is so don't face the toxic harassment over her weight, looks, breast size, hair cut, eyeglasses that she'd get

[sitnspin]

And I know that there's a bunch that show their faces, but those who do aren't average to below average in looks as Marigold is so don't face the toxic harassment over her weight, looks, breast size, hair cut, eyeglasses that she'd get

Even extremely attractive women face constant harassment and criticism of their appearance. Constant.

[awkwardness]

And I know that there's a bunch that show their faces, but those who do aren't average to below average in looks as Marigold is so don't face the toxic harassment over her weight, looks, breast size, hair cut, eyeglasses that she'd get

Even extremely attractive women face constant harassment and criticism of their appearance. Constant.

Sadly, I know...but guys being guys the ones who aren't attractive get it worse just because they aren't attractive. I've seen a bunch give up on their dreams because of those scumbags, people are just vicious online.

[jesslc]

OK Farideh, there's your next poll.
Who is the most normal person in Northampton?

I nominate owner-of-Rupert.

I'd like to nominate Dale.

We hardly know anything about Rupert's owner - it's quite possible he only seems normal because we just met him briefly.

From the people who have been at least semi-regular cast members, I'd put Marten, Dale, Jim, Elliot, Renee and Dora in the running. I probably wouldn't include Tai personally but I can see why other people might. Dan & Marten's dads would also count except they don't live in Northhampton. And I thought about including Penelope but I'm not sure about the Pizza Girl thing. I feel like it has been proven that Penelope is not Pizza Girl, and therefore she's very normal (apart from having a famous lookalike - hardly unusual imo) but perhaps other people might think about her differently...

I definitely wouldn't exclude Marten because of Pintsize, or Dora because of her brother. I'm looking at characters individually rather than who they're linked/connected to.

[badbum61]

Rule #34.

That is all.

[Gus_Smedstad]

In today’s strip, I think Marigold is being overly paranoid in step 2: Faye says something, and a nut-job fan overhears.

200,000 subscribers may sound like a lot, but it’s a drop in the ocean compared to the general population. Even if all her subscribers are in North America, this means only one in 2900 people is a subscriber, and most of those aren’t nut jobs. Even if we assume 1 in 10 would do what she fears, the odds are still really, really overwhelming that no one like that will ever set foot in Faye’s shop.

The rest of the cascade is plausible, but the reality is that letting her friends know she’s a popular streamer will never have any repercussions. The greater harm is that she’s lying to her friends, and that’s potentially dangerous to her friendships.

[Mr_Rose]

Doesn’t have to be a direct fan. One of those “overheard in” type blogs could publish the convo and things could go from there.
Remember you’re no more then six hops from anyone else anywhere. The Kevin Bacon Game is just a practical demonstration.

[Gyrre]

Hannelore isn't a streaming sensation. She is 'just' the daughter of John Ellicott-Chatham, and even she got Clinton fan-boying out on her.

With Marigold's streaming persona being so well known and popular, she's likely not wrong in presuming that her fans would go above and beyond trying to figure out her real identity.

Not to mention that 1) I doubt many people really know she looks like, and 2) most of the people who do would likely write her off as a look-alike.
Which begs the question; what are the laws regarding paparazzi in the QC-verse? Perhaps there was the particularly grizzly death of one or more stalking Hannercs mom back in the day and it put a pretty immediate stop to the practice nationwide?

[Gyrre]

And I know that there's a bunch that show their faces, but those who do aren't average to below average in looks as Marigold is so don't face the toxic harassment over her weight, looks, breast size, hair cut, eyeglasses that she'd get

Even extremely attractive women face constant harassment and criticism of their appearance. Constant.

Sadly, I know...but guys being guys the ones who aren't attractive get it worse just because they aren't attractive. I've seen a bunch give up on their dreams because of those scumbags, people are just vicious online.

"Everybody is somebody's type."

Trust me, I've been online long enough to know that there'd be (and are IRL) plenty of people that be attracted to Marigold even though you're not.
[Sidebar: NEVER turn off family filter options when looking up fanart. NEVER.]

[Kincaid]

As someone who's been the target of 4chan's interest which resulted in multiple credible death threats, I'm siding with Marigold on being paranoid here, 100%. I used to have an internet presence under my real name, I dropped absolutely everything after that and no way in heck I'm letting anyone know my online aliases anymore.

[Oenone]

Samesies. At one point they used the IP address of the coffee shop I sometimes posted from to make a range of what apartment buildings I might live in.

[Is it cold in here?]

Clinton and May both recognized Hannelore, though Faye had never heard of the family.

The Ellicott-Chathams can afford the kind of security that stops problems at early stages, but it didn't work with Clinton.

If Arrogant Architeuthis is as protective of the Creator's daughter as May, then anyone trying to stalk Hannelore would quickly encounter a spot of unpleasantness. I do mean quickly, since they are all about situational awareness.

[dutchrvl]

I see a lot of replies here to the extent of "Hanners has a shit-ton of money", but has it ever actually been established taht Hanners herself has that much money?

I've read all of QC a few times now, and granted it has been quite a while I did a complete read-through, but I don't recall the above being established. Yes she has very, very wealthy parents, but we should all know that that doesn't automatically mean Hanners has a lot of money herself.

She did very early on comment on having more than sufficient to live on, but if I recall correctly that was more because she was living very simply with minimal furniture and saved most of what she made from counting things. EVen though she got WInslow a chassis and went on a long trip, I don't think it's enough to assume she is filthy rich herself.

Unless I forgot that fact being established somewhere, in which case I have wasted 5 minutes writing a pointless post

She is the sole heir of two powerful and extremely rich businesspeople. At minimum she has a huge trust fund set aside for her at birth, complete with stock in the company, access to company properties(vacation homes, private jets, the station!), rights to use company resources, and other things. She only has to work because of her mind needing the distraction, it's therapeutic more than anything.

Basically, she's the QC equivalent of Lisa, Reed, Erin, or Eve Jobs or Jennifer, Rory, or Phoebe Gates. She has a LOT of wealth, but chooses to not use it due to her own reasons.

I understand why you'd be thinking all of this, but you're making a lot of assumptions here. Sole heir? Besides the part where that doesn't make her currently rich, you do not know what her parents' plans are with their fortunes/empire, for all we know they may retire at 65 and give everything away to good/bad causes. Huge trust fund? Massive assumption, we literally have no idea. Access to company properties and resources? yes, seems like it, but that's largely virtue of her father enabling/allowing that, and still does not actually make Hanners rich herself.

Again, many of these things may be true (and probably likely), but none of it actually has been established (Edit: I believe, but I may be wrong, which is why I asked), and making these assumptions seems mostly based on what we typically see/hear about children of wealthy parents in 'our' world.

[Perfectly Reasonable]

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