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Do we still want polls in the WCDT?

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Author Topic: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)  (Read 4014 times)

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WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« on: 01 Aug 2021, 18:20 »

New thread.


Do we still want polls? I personally enjoy them, but have a heck of a time coming up with a good question to ask, let alone relevant/funny answers.
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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #1 on: 01 Aug 2021, 18:21 »

Also: comic up!

"I'm sorry for keeping you up!" Hur, hur, hur  ;D
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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #2 on: 01 Aug 2021, 18:52 »

I've noticed Roko has recently shrunk into a role of following Yay around, reprimanding them when they do something out of line. Similarly, Yay spends most of their time spying on others and petting various animals. I hope Jeph does more with both of them and their relationship, because they're both intriguing characters with plenty of potential storyline.

The concept of Yay especially fascinates me. Imagine they end up at a casino. Would they be drawn to games of chance in particular, because they enjoy the peculiarity of not knowing something for once, or would they be repelled by them for the same reason? Would they use their computer skills to cheat at something like roulette by predicting where the ball will land, or would they prefer to leave it up to a wild guess? I picked "casino" out of thin air here, but the same idea can be applied to any other common human situation.

Roko's relationship with them is also interesting, because while they're members of the same species, their experiences are so wildly different that they have almost no common ground. Is that a sustainable friendship? Why did Yay become friends with Roko in particular?

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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #3 on: 01 Aug 2021, 19:27 »

I think it's more that Yay follows Roko around. With the power outage, Roko decided to go out and help out with her battery pack, and Yay trundled off after her because they were bored.

It would be good if they (Roko and/or Yay) get their own arc soon. They're not doing much at the moment because they're side characters in the Clintelliot arc. I wonder how Roko's disassociation issues are going?
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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #4 on: 01 Aug 2021, 19:30 »

To be fair, this is all totally new to both of them - I think "awkward" is to be expected.

Regarding the poll:  "Other" - If a poll is there, I do it, Pavlovian-style.  :-D
It gives me something else to think about, but I guess I wouldn't miss it if it was gone.
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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #5 on: 01 Aug 2021, 20:01 »

That was cute.

I don't mind polls, but yeah I don't think they should be required.....

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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #6 on: 02 Aug 2021, 02:46 »

I've decided that Yay's animal self would be a cat. Like a cat, Yay ultimately cannot understand why anyone would pay attention to anyone except they themselves.
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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #7 on: 02 Aug 2021, 04:56 »

Yay is kind of a jerk, actually...
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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #8 on: 02 Aug 2021, 05:17 »

See how powerful I am! Admire my restraint!

( yay is like that too )
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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #9 on: 02 Aug 2021, 10:25 »

Yay is kind of a jerk, actually...
Kind of?!?  With Roko calling them on their jerkiness regularly?
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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #10 on: 02 Aug 2021, 18:28 »

New comic.

I had to think for a bit about when Roko met Clinton. They bumped into each other at some point, and Roko had a fantasy about him ('human abs' :D). Is Clinton now 'the one that got away'?
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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #11 on: 02 Aug 2021, 18:47 »

I think it's more general than that. I think Roko is looking at how easily others are finding relationships while she continues to struggle, not only in finding someone she connects with, but even to connect with herself.
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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #12 on: 02 Aug 2021, 19:57 »

Is Clinton now 'the one that got away'?
It may not be Clinton alone, she may of had fantasies of Elliot... He would smell like bread :P

Or we can just give Roko a break she has had enough existential crises of late. It was one drunken fantasy for a brief moment when she was feeling lonely.
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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #13 on: 02 Aug 2021, 20:08 »

Aww. I liked how Christopher is randomly carrying Melon around.

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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #14 on: 02 Aug 2021, 23:00 »

Oh, there’s a thing… I wonder what the statistics are on robots approaching humans for romantic relationships vs. humans approaching robots? Is there some unstated social rule preventing Roko from just telling either of them that she likes them? Or just regular emotional baggage?
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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #15 on: 03 Aug 2021, 07:42 »

Don't strain to make a poll if you can't find a good topic.

Roko has an active subconscious. We've seen her dreams.

Wait, is Yay supposed to be ME?
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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #16 on: 03 Aug 2021, 18:22 »

New comic.

I like Yay's self reflection. They can analyze themselves pretty well. Now they just need to work on that arrogance. It's not an attractive trait, no matter how long your tentacles are.
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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #17 on: 03 Aug 2021, 18:55 »

Now, will Yay randomly knock... or pick the lock and just go right in?

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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #18 on: 03 Aug 2021, 19:04 »

No Yay! Don't invade someone's personal space! Not after I talked you up to everyone, and praised your respect for established physical boundaries!

Polls: Tough to come up with a relevant topic at the beginning of the week, I understand; maybe a post week question to posit? Maybe a standard question, but wrong answers only?
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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #19 on: 03 Aug 2021, 20:05 »

Depending on whether Cosmo has a doggy door, Yay could just stand outside and wave a box of treats.
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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #20 on: 03 Aug 2021, 20:51 »

Have we seen evidence before that Yay has a subconscious?  It's scarier to think that something that powerful and/or connected has urges hidden from themselves that can take over their behaviour.

I do think that Yay's preservation instincts prevent them from committing crimes on a whim.

While Christopher AKA Brobot is not the most annoying character ever introduced, I'm hoping this is his last appearance.
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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #21 on: 03 Aug 2021, 22:50 »

Oh wow.
Yay needs to learn when to let up and back off. At least they didn't immediately jump to an erroneous conclusion and then get dead set on not changing they're mind.
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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #22 on: 03 Aug 2021, 23:29 »

Yeah, I called it. Yay is going to meet MommyMilkers420 (likely quite literally, as they are an AI and able to operate entirely on the virtual plane). The only question is what mischief they will get up to. Maybe give the avatar its own limited virtual near-intelligence and set it loose on the Internet?

Meanwhile, Yay doth protest too much. They really are putting a lot of themselves into their friendship with Roko to the point where, when their snide attitude blows up in their faces, it actually does hurt. Maybe you should drop the condescending and smug attitude there friend?

Regarding the poll, the key question should be: "Is the poll relevant to QC?" If not, then it isn't the right poll for the thread.
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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #23 on: 04 Aug 2021, 03:48 »

I've noticed Roko has recently shrunk into a role of following Yay around, reprimanding them when they do something out of line. Similarly, Yay spends most of their time spying on others and petting various animals. I hope Jeph does more with both of them and their relationship, because they're both intriguing characters with plenty of potential storyline.

The concept of Yay especially fascinates me. Imagine they end up at a casino. Would they be drawn to games of chance in particular, because they enjoy the peculiarity of not knowing something for once, or would they be repelled by them for the same reason? Would they use their computer skills to cheat at something like roulette by predicting where the ball will land, or would they prefer to leave it up to a wild guess? I picked "casino" out of thin air here, but the same idea can be applied to any other common human situation.

Roko's relationship with them is also interesting, because while they're members of the same species, their experiences are so wildly different that they have almost no common ground. Is that a sustainable friendship? Why did Yay become friends with Roko in particular?

TLDR: I am a nerd
https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3924

I have long wondered what Yay was starting to say in panel 1 of comic 3924. There's definitely something that Yay didn't get to say because Roko jumped straight into teasing them about friendship and who know what it might have been... (apart from Jeph, obviously)

I thought at the time that the most likely explanation is that they were going to admit to a crush or being attracted to Roko or something like that. That could be completely off base though, of course.

But there have been a few moments in the comic since that point where Yay's behaviour has seemed (to me, at least) a bit like a child or young teen who has a crush but no idea how to handle it. Eg. Behaving in ways that try to get someone's attention or impress them - hoping they'll notice you, but never actually asking them out. I feel like the recent comics could possibly count toward this. (Yay definitely seems like they're trying to convince themselves that they're not bothered by Roko being mad at them today). A better example though, would be the time Yay came to show off their new skirt and take over some Roko's wardrobe space. And in 3924, Yay also says they've spent the entirety of their existence in hiding. So it kind of makes sense that their social skills might not be any better than that of a child/teen.

The other thing I wonder about with regards to Yay is what they are hiding from, and what might happen if they're discovered. I wonder if that's something Jeph might explore at some point.
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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #24 on: 04 Aug 2021, 04:04 »

I have long wondered what Yay was starting to say in panel 1 of comic 3924. There's definitely something that Yay didn't get to say because Roko jumped straight into teasing them about friendship and who know what it might have been... (apart from Jeph, obviously)

Who wouldn't necessarily have had any specific thing in mind, actually.
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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #25 on: 04 Aug 2021, 06:04 »

Yay demonstrates Random Walk. While their head process was rambling, their foot process was ambling.

We've had a glimpse into Roko's subconscious. (Thanks for the links, Farideh.) But other AI's? I don't recall any. (Though Momo did once fantasize about Sven.)
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« Reply #26 on: 04 Aug 2021, 08:29 »

I've noticed Roko has recently shrunk into a role of following Yay around, reprimanding them when they do something out of line. Similarly, Yay spends most of their time spying on others and petting various animals. I hope Jeph does more with both of them and their relationship, because they're both intriguing characters with plenty of potential storyline.

The concept of Yay especially fascinates me. Imagine they end up at a casino. Would they be drawn to games of chance in particular, because they enjoy the peculiarity of not knowing something for once, or would they be repelled by them for the same reason? Would they use their computer skills to cheat at something like roulette by predicting where the ball will land, or would they prefer to leave it up to a wild guess? I picked "casino" out of thin air here, but the same idea can be applied to any other common human situation.

Roko's relationship with them is also interesting, because while they're members of the same species, their experiences are so wildly different that they have almost no common ground. Is that a sustainable friendship? Why did Yay become friends with Roko in particular?

TLDR: I am a nerd
https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3924

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But there have been a few moments in the comic since that point where Yay's behaviour has seemed (to me, at least) a bit like a child or young teen who has a crush but no idea how to handle it. Eg. Behaving in ways that try to get someone's attention or impress them - hoping they'll notice you, but never actually asking them out. I feel like the recent comics could possibly count toward this. (Yay definitely seems like they're trying to convince themselves that they're not bothered by Roko being mad at them today). A better example though, would be the time Yay came to show off their new skirt and take over some Roko's wardrobe space. And in 3924, Yay also says they've spent the entirety of their existence in hiding. So it kind of makes sense that their social skills might not be any better than that of a child/teen.

The other thing I wonder about with regards to Yay is what they are hiding from, and what might happen if they're discovered. I wonder if that's something Jeph might explore at some point.

Yay has been compared to a giant squid, so perhaps whatever that A.I. analogy's version of a sperm whale is?
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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #27 on: 04 Aug 2021, 10:03 »

Yeah, I called it. Yay is going to meet MommyMilkers420...
The problem is Ms. Augustus keeps a baseball bat in the front entry for anyone trying to mess with Cosmo.  I wonder how Yay will do against a riled Mommy intent on physical assault...
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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #28 on: 04 Aug 2021, 10:21 »

Roko's relationship with them is also interesting, because while they're members of the same species,
Do you think so? I submit that a multi body distributed consciousness with extreme sensory apparatus is an entirely different order of creature to the majority of AIs who are arguably much more like their human contemporaries than their human contemporaries are like hunter gatherers in the Amazon jungle?
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« Reply #29 on: 04 Aug 2021, 12:33 »

Yay can paralyze with a touch but I hope they'll simply ask to come in and pet Cosmo.
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« Reply #30 on: 04 Aug 2021, 13:23 »

Roko's relationship with them is also interesting, because while they're members of the same species,
Do you think so? I submit that a multi body distributed consciousness with extreme sensory apparatus is an entirely different order of creature to the majority of AIs who are arguably much more like their human contemporaries than their human contemporaries are like hunter gatherers in the Amazon jungle?

The indigenous people of the Amazon are both human and contemporary, and many do still engage in hunting/gathering…I’m not sure I understand your analogy?
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« Reply #31 on: 04 Aug 2021, 14:02 »

The intended point was that the QC embodied AIs appear to live a lifestyle/culture that isn't that unlike their human contemporaries, and I believe its established that their mental speed and processing is much the same. What's more I submit both would have about the same level of incompetence and life expectancy if parachuted into a jungle hunter gatherer lifestyle/culture.
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« Reply #32 on: 04 Aug 2021, 16:00 »

But you’re still human whether you live in a city or a forest. Yay is fundamentally different from other AI in terms of hardware, but indigenous people and people who live in a city are both human. Plus, it seems like the “order of creature” line has some weird evolution aspects to it, especially since Yay is more advanced technologically than other AI.

I just feel like it’s possible to talk about characters in a comic strip without dipping a toe into scientific racism.
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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #33 on: 04 Aug 2021, 18:19 »

Comic's up.

Yay, if you're gonna debate yourself, do it quietly....

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« Reply #34 on: 04 Aug 2021, 19:25 »

It's not much of a debate if all the parts agree with each other, but still.

Aurelia is a sweetheart. Most people back away if someone is talking loudly to themselves in public.
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« Reply #35 on: 04 Aug 2021, 19:55 »

I think we can forget the possibility of Cosmo belonging to Yay previously
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« Reply #36 on: 04 Aug 2021, 19:58 »

I think we can forget the possibility of Cosmo belonging to Yay previously

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« Reply #37 on: 04 Aug 2021, 20:26 »

It's not much of a debate if all the parts agree with each other, but still.
While we're seeing bodies that are trying to self-justify Yay's poor behaviour, they're also putting up the arguments that Yay is falling into bad past habits to avoid dealing with the knowledge that Yay just hurt a friend's feelings.

I'd love to see an AI built like a cricket just about now.
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« Reply #38 on: 04 Aug 2021, 21:00 »

Dang, I don't recall the last time I saw the word 'parochial' used in a sentence.

EDIT: Avoiding a double post.

It's not much of a debate if all the parts agree with each other, but still.
While we're seeing bodies that are trying to self-justify Yay's poor behaviour, they're also putting up the arguments that Yay is falling into bad past habits to avoid dealing with the knowledge that Yay just hurt a friend's feelings.

I'd love to see an AI built like a cricket just about now.

But the poor thing might get stomped flat during a fit.
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« Reply #39 on: 04 Aug 2021, 21:46 »

I think we can forget the possibility of Cosmo belonging to Yay previously

What made you think that...?
Their overreaction after learning about Cosmo and subsequent rush to seeing him. To me, it could mean that Cosmo would belong to Yay before. Maybe I was just overthinking tho
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« Reply #40 on: 04 Aug 2021, 23:19 »

I think we can forget the possibility of Cosmo belonging to Yay previously

What made you think that...?
Their overreaction after learning about Cosmo and his subsequent rush to seeing him. To me, it could mean that Cosmo would belong to Yay before. Maybe I was just overthinking tho

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« Reply #41 on: 04 Aug 2021, 23:45 »

She has no need of friendship.

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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #42 on: 04 Aug 2021, 23:59 »

There is a limit to one's ability to stealthily intrude into others' lives when you're loudly debating with your other instances about morality!

So, there are two possibilities that that this strip raises for me. The first is that this confirms the various Yay instances are not precise duplicates and each have their own perspectives. Might this Yay be about to be tossed out for becoming too attached to lesser beings? The second possibility is that Yay is a true distributed sentience. Literally all the instances are processing what to do about going in to see Cosmo and maybe snoop on Aurelia's computer simultaneously and in parallel.

The latter is interesting as it implies that I was right to suspect that the Yay instances communicate instantaneously irrespective of spacial distance thanks to quantum entanglement.
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« Reply #43 on: 05 Aug 2021, 06:17 »

A quick look at the Wiki reminded me that Cosmo wandered in from the street. A week passed without the original owner appearing to claim her. Yay claims to have dog sensing abilities. So Yay is not Cosmo's original owner.

Yes, this tells us that Yay's instances retain individuality while sharing basics. What puzzles me is why Yay is having this debate audibly. And loudly.
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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #44 on: 05 Aug 2021, 10:28 »

But you’re still human whether you live in a city or a forest. Yay is fundamentally different from other AI in terms of hardware, but indigenous people and people who live in a city are both human. Plus, it seems like the “order of creature” line has some weird evolution aspects to it, especially since Yay is more advanced technologically than other AI.

I just feel like it’s possible to talk about characters in a comic strip without dipping a toe into scientific racism.

I had read it differently, though I admit to incomplete understanding. Gulfs of incomprehension within the same species are an everyday phenomenon.
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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #45 on: 05 Aug 2021, 12:24 »

What puzzles me is why Yay is having this debate audibly. And loudly.
All the better to get Ms. Augustus to show up without having to trespass.  Even better if Cosmo comes along for the sniff.

Note however that Yay is regressing to their pre-Roko self-delusional state.  I have a bad feeling about this.

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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #46 on: 05 Aug 2021, 12:45 »

I had read it differently, though I admit to incomplete understanding. Gulfs of incomprehension within the same species are an everyday phenomenon.

It seems also that (or maybe I'm just being hopeful for once) that those posts were poorly/awkwardly expressed rather than made out of awfulness.
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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #47 on: 05 Aug 2021, 18:03 »

I have a bad feeling about this.
I've read this in Barney's (half life) voice.


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« Reply #48 on: 05 Aug 2021, 18:32 »

Self-delusion in someone with Yay's powers could lead to seriously bad outcomes.
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Re: WCDT Aug 2nd - Aug 6th (4581-4585)
« Reply #49 on: 05 Aug 2021, 18:41 »

Comics up.
Nothing more friendly than a baseball bat. She's in the right, tho
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