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Yes it has you dipshit! A retard is you!

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No, how can we have been so blind! You must posess genius level greatness to suggest this thread.

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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: 23 Jun 2005, 09:51

[0bsessions]

If they decided to remake Final Fantasy VII, all I'd ask of them is to decide to actually make it a good game this time. Maybe they could replace the characters, that'd improve it a bit.

Replace Cloud with an optimistic thief?

And maybe replace Cid with a gambling rogue?

Barrett could be replaced by a man-slut of a King!

And instead of Red XIII, maybe a moogle or something.

And instead of Sephiroth, we could have like a crazy mage or something.

This sounds like the makings of a good remake!

[Narr]

I agree with 0bsessions.

[Storm Rider]

So is Aeris Celes or Terra?

Also, it is fucking criminal that Earthbound has only been mentioned twice since the necropost. What the hell is wrong with you people?

[0bsessions]

I could care less either way. Much as I loved Final Fantasy VI, I can count the female characters the Final Fantasy series has had that WEREN'T a fucking joke on one hand.

Faris and...well, that was about it (And she was pretending to be a man). They have had plenty of male characters with some real depth and characterization, but the absolute joke that are most Square female characters leads me to believe that no one on their staff has ever actually MET a woman. They're either a callow damsel in distress (Terra, Celes, Aeris, Rosa, Rinoa, Quistis, Garnett, Rydia, Lenna), a tough as nails bitch (Lulu, Beatrix) an obnoxious brat (Yuffie, Eiko, Relm, Penelo, Selphie, Rikku, Porom, Krile) or a combination of the first two (Tifa, Ashe). There's like zero room for variation.

[Surgoshan]

Tifa's not butch!  She's got ginormous knockers!

[Narr]

Honestly, now that I'm older, I question why the Final Fantasy games hold as much appeal as they do.  Maybe it's BECAUSE they are so incredibly stereotyped?  I just haven't been a fan of anything they've done since the SNES days ended except the odd title here and there.

[Siert]

Honestly, now that I'm older, I question why the Final Fantasy games hold as much appeal as they do.  Maybe it's BECAUSE they are so incredibly stereotyped?  I just haven't been a fan of anything they've done since the SNES days ended except the odd title here and there.

I now go for more adult RPGs, one in particular Lost Odyssey is... quite awesome. mainly due to the fact its opening scenes featured people being cut in half, decapitated, impaled... then throughout the story, derogetory terms are used, adult humour... Its quite adult from what I can tell but pretty awesome. Lip synching sucks, but scripting is good, dosen't feel patronising...

[pilsner]

Tifa's not butch!  She's got ginormous knockers!

Just so no one else gets exposed to that sort of smut, GISing for Tifa brings up a truly astounding amount of porn.

[muteKi]

Yeah, sometimes I run benchmarks on VG chicks by seeing how long it takes until GIS brings up pornographic results.

[camelpimp]

Tifa's not butch!  She's got ginormous knockers!

Just so no one else gets exposed to that sort of smut, GISing for Tifa brings up a truly astounding amount of porn.

...why did I do that?

I usually expect to go ONE PAGE without porn.

[Surgoshan]

A whole page?  On these intarwubs?

Naive to a fault.

[Siert]

I usually expect to go ONE PAGE without porn.

You can make a game of that, type in some for mof word see how far you go, good to play when your drunk.

[Jinjo]

1. Chrono Trigger
2. KOTOR
3. Morrowind

As much as I love Star Wars, you can't beat a classic like Chrono Trigger.

[CursedMortivore]

Mass Effect, Oblivion, KOTOR

Because you can never have enough Western RPGs. Not to mention, these games actually put some Role-Playing into a role-playing game.

[est]

I couldn't really get into KOTOR.  Well, I could up to a certain point, but after playing NWN it felt like a clunky adaptation of the engine.  I didn't play it all the way through.  Got bored with it.  By comparison, I believe I finished Neverwinter Nights and got a significant way through the first expansion.  The main campaign of NWN had its share of problems and I never really liked that you could fairly safely rest up almost anywhere then blaze away with all your renewed might, but overall I thought it was a good game.

Morrowind sucked up a whole heck of time for me.  And that is even before I started futzing about with game-breaking potions and enchantments.  I remember making some kind of levitation ring, then making some kind of potion that gave me super speed and super-jump for a couple of seconds.  I simply pointed myself in the general direction of where I wanted to go, quaffed, ran, Hulk-jumped & put the ring on to avoid a messy death.

I started out trying to play as a Mage, then realised I was having more fun in melee combat.  Remembering how effecting EQ Warriors were when they had potions and enchanted/proc'ing items I went back & re-made my character to be a warrior with enchant & alchemy skills.  From what I've been reading about the game it was a fairly popular choice due to the general usefulness of alchemy and enchanting.

Oblivion started out in the same vein for me, but I quickly got sick of the levelling monsters dealio.  I tried a few mods but nothing really got the balance right, and at the time I had sub-standard hardware anyway.  I am seriously thinking about going back to Oblivion now that there has been more time for ingenious modders to create alternatives to the levelling monsters and such.  A few of the mods I loved have merged and renamed and so on, but I am pretty sure I could still piece together something pretty special.  To get things a bit more realistic I used to use the "Darker Dungeons" and "Darker Nights" mods so that torches or some other method of lighting or infravision were actually useful/required.  I also used the "Deadlier Traps" option so that getting hit in the head by a spiked steel ball the size of a softball did a suitably lethal amount of damage to your character and forced you to take more care in dungeons.

I used a mod that sped up arrows and fireballs because I got sick of lazily side-stepping everything while rushing ranged monsters.  As a result combat with spell-casters and marksmen became more exciting and and made me feel less like a bully batting away nerf-arrows before pummelling some poor sod.  I like the sandbox feel of the game a lot, and have a feeling that I am mostly going to ignore the main quest for a while in favour of doing odd jobs for houses/guilds and raiding dungeons.

Diablo 2 was very very good to me.  I know it's an action-rpg and most people would shun it, but wutevurr!  Like most Blizzard games it was exceedingly well-balanced and had excellent, well-defined levels.  It is still one of my favourite linear RPG stories, with identifiable goals and structure but enough leeway to play/replay the game the way that you want.

Temple of Elemental Evil was a fun game built upon a superb UI/ruleset implementation that was unfortunately almost completely destroyed by game-killing bugs.

I played a hell of a lot of the original Baldur's Gate, as well as its expansion, The Sword Coast.  It was a very good game with likeable characters that made you care about whether they lived or died.  It got a bit odd toward the end, but on the whole it was a lot of fun.

I could never really get into Final Fantasy because I don't give two shits about the characters.  Oh hey look, it's a bunch of annoying kids.  Fuck you, kids.

[snalin]

I totaly loved Morrowind. I do not know if it was it's immenseness or it's deapth, but I loved it. I am suprised, though, that there's no "daggerfall was better"-types around here, there's always some of those. I guess your first TES is the best TES for the rest of your life. But it's the modability that has made me like it even more. I have graphics-enchancing mods that even now makes my computer lag like hell, and it's a rather powerfull one, 2,5GB Ram and a preeety nice video card. And the tamriel rebuilt project, that aims to expand the game to contain all of Morrowind, that means double the size of the original game... WEEEEE!


And then there's FFIX. Not many mention it, but again, it was my first, and there's never been any characters like Vivi and the rest of them. I' just too old to have played any of the older ones, and I never bothered to play FFVII (sorry, I hate those latin numbers!), although people say it's teh best Final Fantasy out there.

And then there's Avernum, the expansion of the original Exil games. Why have nobody mentioned these? Avernum 1,2 and 3 is immense, thrilling and fun.

I'd also like to ad to the a bit dead (a page or so ago) discussion about what's a proper RPG that you'll never get a computerized RPG that contains role-playing at the same level as the classic pen and paper variant. Gaming RPG is the experience/equipment/skillsett-thing that we know from the games we call RPG.

[Surgoshan]

I never bothered to play FFXII, although people say it's teh best Final Fantasy out there.

It's really not.

Although I've never been able to get into FFIX, and I didn't really like FF8, either, so take that for what it's worth.

[snalin]

check my edit.

[Surgoshan]

ah.  That makes quite a difference.

[muteKi]

Gaming RPG is the experience/equipment/skillsett-thing that we know from the games we call RPG.

Then mine is Symphony of the Night, the game so nice they made it 8 times (more?).

[0bsessions]

I never bothered to play FFXII, although people say it's teh best Final Fantasy out there.

It's really not.

Although I've never been able to get into FFIX, and I didn't really like FF8, either, so take that for what it's worth.

As far as gameplay, it most certainly is. It's one of the weaker stories of the series (Rather bare bones and Balthier's about the only standout character), but the gameplay is second to none as far as the series goes. It's fast paced and you can still do all the micromanaging you want. This was the first FF where I actually spent the majority of my gameplay time grinding because I enjoyed the grinding. The gameplay shakeup was something that's been desperately needed since pretty much the SNES days.

[Surgoshan]

True, the gameplay was a good shakeup, and I absolutely adore that you can skip cutscenes even the first time through, but I really didn't give much of a damn about the characters.

[ackblom12]

As far as gameplay, it most certainly is. It's one of the weaker stories of the series (Rather bare bones and Balthier's about the only standout character), but the gameplay is second to none as far as the series goes. It's fast paced and you can still do all the micromanaging you want. This was the first FF where I actually spent the majority of my gameplay time grinding because I enjoyed the grinding. The gameplay shakeup was something that's been desperately needed since pretty much the SNES days.

Funnily enough, it was only the 2nd core FF I've ever tossed to the side in complete and utter boredom.

[0bsessions]

Unless the other one was FF 2 (The NES one), you're dead to me.

[ackblom12]

I was indeed. Tossed right into a goddamn fire.

[camelpimp]

Guys, I kinda... like FF2. Not FF2(a), I mean, I love that one, but I kind of like FF2. I've only played the PS and GBA versions, mind you, but I, well, liked them.

Oh God. What's wrong with me?

[KvP]

I couldn't really get into KOTOR.  Well, I could up to a certain point, but after playing NWN it felt like a clunky adaptation of the engine.

I will never understand this.

I played a hell of a lot of the original Baldur's Gate, as well as its expansion, The Sword Coast.  It was a very good game with likeable characters that made you care about whether they lived or died.  It got a bit odd toward the end, but on the whole it was a lot of fun.

You ought to play the second one.

[thegreatbuddha]

Then mine is Symphony of the Night, the game so nice they made it 8 times (more?).

QFT

The second or third time I "beat" SotN, I did it right, and unlocked an entirely new castle. My mind was blown. To this day, I have yet to get 200.6%. That's some replay value right there

[Spluff]

I'd also like to ad to the a bit dead (a page or so ago) discussion about what's a proper RPG that you'll never get a computerized RPG that contains role-playing at the same level as the classic pen and paper variant. Gaming RPG is the experience/equipment/skillsett-thing that we know from the games we call RPG.

NWN pretty much got there. It wasn't the same as PnP, but it's as close as a game is ever going to get to a proper roleplaying experience - it had a dungeon master, the ability to make whatever you want, and a communication system where you could say whatever you wanted. You had to find a decent group of people to play it with though (but the same went for PnP).

[Soldierstrife]

No no no.

Final Fantasy 6 is indeed best, but then X, then 7.

Chrono Trigger is the best RPG ever though.

Chrono Trigger FTW, there is one fine RPG, and its hard to top, on consoles anyway.


... despite my screenname, im not a FF fanboy, although i do enjoy those FF games immensely

[ubermensch]

Has anyone here ever played Vagrant Story on the Playstation? It was supposed to be filler from Squaresoft while the next FF was coming out, but I totally loved it. Easily in the top 5 GAMES of all times, let alone RPGs.

[Jyan]

Well goodness, there seems to be no love around here for the Shadow Hearts series. For those who don't know, Shadow Hearts (and it's sequel, Shadow Hearts: Covenant, and its spin-off Shadower Heart: From the New World), are traditional turnbased, pretty much linear RPGs (with a cool little spinny ring thing to spice things up, wheee!), involving demon-summoning and European history. It's quite fun, you should pick them up.

Also an underrated little piece of RPG is Chrono Cross. While not nearly as good as its predecessor, Chrono Cross has dozens upon dozens of characters to choose from (45 in all), and, though linear at first, gets quite a bit more open as the game goes on. Plus, the story is interesting, the music is great and graphics are pretty damn good considering they're still on PS1.

Neither of these games are for fans of sandbox RPGs, but then again, I'm not a fan of sandbox RPGs, so that's that.

[NarwhalSunshine]

It's a tie between NWN, Oblivion and Tales of Symphonia.

[Siert]

Has anyone here ever played Vagrant Story on the Playstation? It was supposed to be filler from Squaresoft while the next FF was coming out, but I totally loved it. Easily in the top 5 GAMES of all times, let alone RPGs.

That game kicked my ass so much. I think I got to the part where I was taught how to "Chain" and then I kept getting my ass kicked. Bouncer was the other squaresoft filler, I rented it for 2 days and completed it five times... Talk about filler content...

[Dimmukane]

Well goodness, there seems to be no love around here for the Shadow Hearts series. For those who don't know, Shadow Hearts (and it's sequel, Shadow Hearts: Covenant, and its spin-off Shadower Heart: From the New World), are traditional turnbased, pretty much linear RPGs (with a cool little spinny ring thing to spice things up, wheee!), involving demon-summoning and European history. It's quite fun, you should pick them up.

They were mentioned on one of these threads, somewhere, by me.  Only the second one, though.

[camelpimp]

Honestly, the SH games are stunningly mediocre. I actually kind of prefer Koudelka, in an odd way, because at least that game tried to be different.

[Ferahgo the Assassin]

My favorite RPGs are Final Fantasies 6 & 7. Though 7 gets too much credit nowadays - it was good, but not that good.

Chrono Trigger was cool too. Other than that, I haven't played many RPGs, as it's a genre I have completely lost interest in over the years, and most of the modern Final Fantasies suck big floppy donkey dick.

[Red Peril]

I have to go for Morrowind because it was the game universe which made me play a role more than any other, rather than something like KOTOR where you were essentially a custodian stopping a legendary hero dying on his/her arse. Having said that Baldur's Gate 2 was probably the best non-first-person game I ever played, and I even liked a few of the characters, and no other game ever did that for me.

[KvP]

I have to go for Morrowind because it was the game universe which made me play a role more than any other

Oh man, sigged for maximum wrongness.

[Surgoshan]

Hey, you DO get to play a role!

Ageless, faceless, gender-neutral, culturally ambiguous adventure person!  AFGNCAAP!

That you actually get to design the heck out of your character doesn't change the fact that, in game, it matters not in the slightest.

[Xerostyle]

So I just got Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga, Nocturne, Persona 3 FES, Persona 3, the Entire Suikoden Series, Wild Arms Series, and like 14 more games for $300. Now where do I start, after I finish Lost Oddessey.

[0bsessions]

With Suikoden. And skip the fourth one. Skip the ever living shit out of it. In fact, melt it. Melt it and then shit on it. Actually, no. Melt it, shit on it and then get really drunk so you can pretend it never existed, so that when you wake up in a pool of sweat, vomit and urine and see only four Suikoden games, you'll think "Hey, why did they skip from III to V?" and that will be the end of it.

[Storm Rider]

Why did you get Persona 3 and FES at the same time? FES includes the original game, it was totally unnecessary to buy both. But play that first, because it's fucking awesome.

I haven't played Digital Devil Saga, but apparently it's absolutely sadistically fucking hard.

[Xerostyle]

Well, in all honesty, I bought Persona 3 at the same time as FES, but I really wanted the artbook and the soundtrack, so all is well.

To be honest, I'm finishing lost odyssey (tons and tons of fun, but wrist slashingly depressing), then moving onto Suikoden, as I hear it is fairly short, but an excellent game.

[Rolling20s]

My favorite RPG is Baldur's Gate for the PC, followed closely by Oblivion. Those games were two of the biggest timesinks that I have ever experienced. I have played through each of them multiple times, and could still lose myself for hours if I chose to. I looked at the time I've logged on each and if you were to add all of the hours up, you'd get almost 20 straight days of gaming.

I almost wish I were actually capable of a feat such as that in real life. But then I'd be divorced, petless, and broke. Bleargh.