Topic: GTA: AO (Read 21414 times)

LiterSize · « **on:** 21 Jul 2005, 11:10 »

So what does this mean for GTA at Target or Wal-mart? The radio jockeys were joking this'd be only available in Adult book stores now, but is there any truth to it? *sigh*.... I still love how graphic CSI can get in showing dead bodies when it comes to sex... OH NOES!

Blargh. I don't even want to start on the burden of responsibility here.

Blue Kitty · « **Reply #1 on:** 21 Jul 2005, 11:13 »

I heard that Rockstar will be releasing a new updated version that makes it nearly impossible to get the hot coffoe mod.

Blue Kitty · « **Reply #2 on:** 21 Jul 2005, 11:15 »

I believe that is what they are doing for the updated version

Shedonwanna · « **Reply #3 on:** 21 Jul 2005, 11:17 »

What really sucks is that GTA:SA was next on my list of games to buy. Blasted ratings groups!

ASturge · « **Reply #4 on:** 21 Jul 2005, 11:29 »

This is a case of the gaming industry backing down to a bunch of fools!

They're going to think they can get away with anytihng now...

ebullientsoul · « **Reply #5 on:** 21 Jul 2005, 11:52 »

Quote from: ASturge

This is a case of the gaming industry backing down to a bunch of fools!

They're going to think they can get away with anytihng now...

Actually, its a case of Rockstar sweeping adult material under the rug and hoping no one would notice. Penny Arcade has a blog and comic about it that's worth your attention.

Symp · « **Reply #6 on:** 21 Jul 2005, 12:21 »

Whats funny is that Rockstars going to release a modded version of GTA:SA to counter the computer mod "Hot Coffee"

Which I'm sure PC modders will find a way around it in days, if not hours.

I hope to god that the ESRB is giving in to protect the gaming industery. and not just caving under pressure. As long as games like GTA:SA is in the spot light a bunch of other games that are worse as far as sex goes sneek by unnoicted (God of War, BMX XXX, etc...)

We'll just have to watch and see where this leads.

ASturge · « **Reply #7 on:** 21 Jul 2005, 12:48 »

The content was locked. To get it you had to go out of your way. You couldn't just 'find' it.

Se7en · « **Reply #8 on:** 21 Jul 2005, 15:39 »

Heres a quote from a news site..

" It begins inside a bedroom with Denise, wearing only a pink thong and a cutoff T-shirt bearing the Rockstar logo, performing simulated fellatio on CJ, who is fully clothed in jeans and a "wife beater"-style tank top.

After a few seconds, the minigame proceeds to semi-explicit simulated copulation. Although players can change the camera angle with the circle button, as well as cycle though three sexual positions with the square button, no genitalia are ever seen. To win, players must maintain a steady rhythm with the left analog stick to build up an "excitement meter" on the right of the screen. Fill the meter and Denise becomes very excited, telling CJ he is "the man" before the game congratulates you with the words "Nice guys finish last!" Let the meter drop to empty and the game admonishes you with "Failure to satisfy a woman is a CRIME!"

Okay, so what we have here is a silly little minigame thats LESS explicit and graphic than the origional EGA version of lesuire suit larry!

So in this game, which is named after a serious crime, its perfectly acceptable that the object of the game involves killing lots of people with a variety of weapons, and stealing cars and driving them recklessly..

But its not okay for the game to contain what is bassically just a dirty joke?

will: wanton sex god · « **Reply #9 on:** 21 Jul 2005, 18:15 »

ill be selling my copy on ebay

look at the prices, even now. its a decent game, but ill be making a good profit

Lug · « **Reply #10 on:** 21 Jul 2005, 23:46 »

Here's an interesting article I saw regarding the subject:

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Speaking of adult games, where are they? Politicians bemoan the bloodthirsty horror of video games, but really the standards are almost Victorian when compared to R-rated Hollywood fare such as Sin City and Kill Bill and Cinemax's Voyeur Safari IV: Dildo Island. You get a little harsh language and some comic-booky sprays of gore, but that's about it. There is an "AO" (Adults Only) ESRB rating for games, but when is the last time you saw it?

We're not for speeding the moral degradation of the modern world, but imagine a Hollywood where only PG-13 movies could get made. Say goodbye to everything from Shindler's List to The Matrix.

Chances of that happening...

We've got one hyphenated word for you: Wal-Mart. The largest game seller in the world simply won't stock games with the "AO" rating. Period. So those games won't sell and developers won't make them. So until they invent new and varied and Wal-Martless ways to sell the games, we're stuck with the AO games found only in our fantasies.

link

Out of curiosity has anyone actually played the mod? I have no desire to play it because with less effort I can see better quality simulations of sex else were on the net.[/url]

Stranger Dan · « **Reply #11 on:** 22 Jul 2005, 00:02 »

A nearly impossible to play fully clothed dry humping minigame shouldn't be enough to give it a AO rating. Heck you could probably get away with a T or even an E if it weren't for all of the profanity and violence in the rest of the game. Simba did worse in the Lion King! He wasn't wearing any clothes when he was mounting Nala to Elton John music and that got a G.
Also, the AO thing is just speculation for now. Nothing official has been done yet.
Also, why would anybody buy games from Wal-Mart. Games are no cheaper there than at a real electronics store and they are a rip off compared to getting used games at a real video game store.

Trollstormur · « **Reply #12 on:** 22 Jul 2005, 01:29 »

the reason they didn't take it out in the first place is because they were concerned that removing whole paragraphs of code would destabilize the whole program. I mean, we're getting in a gray area here. You could only access the game by downloading a mod. If someone made a mod out of hot-coffee so you could have it even with the new HC-removed version... would all the fundies get angry about it?

Quote from: Stranger Dan

Simba did worse in the Lion King! He wasn't wearing any clothes when he was mounting Nala to Elton John music and that got a G.

Somehow that is more disturbing to me than goatse, tubgirl or lemonparty.

no one special · « **Reply #13 on:** 22 Jul 2005, 01:50 »

Quote from: ebullientsoul

Actually, its a case of Rockstar sweeping adult material under the rug and hoping no one would notice.

Exactly. Half the problem here is that there was hidden content in the game - content that Rockstar knew did not fall under the purview of the game or the rating they were aiming for.

The other half of the problem - you're showing people having sex. "but it was simulated" yeah yeah yeah. You're showing people having sex. It doesn't really matter what people feel should or shouldn't be shown or resticted, etc. etc. - the rules are what they are, and they broke the rules. So, they get a ratings change. End of story.

And honestly, it's not the end of the world. Nothing will change from this. The Playboy game came out and is what it is and has no problems selling. So relax, the world's still spinning.

And for what it's worth BMX XXX never tried to the fact that it had adult content. I'm just saying...

Abattur · « **Reply #14 on:** 22 Jul 2005, 10:55 »

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=ticket_to_hell

Maddox also has a opinion about this.

IronOxide · « **Reply #15 on:** 22 Jul 2005, 14:22 »

I am reminded of the South Park episode where they stab Butters in the eye. The adults won't care about violence if there's sex stuff to worry about.

Seriously though, people. It is perfectly natural for people to bump ugly. Yet it is completely inappropriate to kill.

Why is this reversed in the media?

KharBevNor · « **Reply #16 on:** 22 Jul 2005, 14:31 »

More intriguingly, why, in the UK and almost every US state, is it legal for 16 or 17 year olds to have sex and get married, but not look at a couple of 2000 poly models having simulated sex?

I MEAN FUCKING HELL PEOPLE.

ASturge · « **Reply #17 on:** 22 Jul 2005, 14:40 »

So...

It's OK for a kid to simulate mugging an old woman with a bat, using the money to buy a gun, using said gun on a passerby, stealing their money and using it to buy a bigger gun. Then going on a rampage, killing hundreds of police, FBI and innocents, destroying thousands of Dollars worth of public property and ending in a massive explosion on the motor way.

But not ok to watch two people make love with no genitalia showing....

KharBevNor · « **Reply #18 on:** 22 Jul 2005, 14:42 »

Also, no-ones mentioned/made a fuss about the prostitutes. Or the gimp suit. Or the perfectly easy to input cheat code that puts you in said gimp suit and spawns swarms of prostitutes holding giant dildos who chase you? Or the fact that you can steal said dildos and beat people up with them? Whilst wearing said gimp-suit?

I repeat FUCKING HELL PEOPLE.

Se7en · « **Reply #19 on:** 22 Jul 2005, 15:46 »

The people that fuss about this sort of thing tend to have their own warped agendas to promote. They rely on moral outrage to blow things way out of proportion, usually to gain political support or similar.

How many of the people complaining about it have actaully played the game i wonder? Video games are just the modern version of childhood make-belive games. When i was 8, i owned a cap gun, and would go round shooting people with it. It hasnt turned me into a homicidial maniac yet.. Why should GTA be any different with todays youth?

KharBevNor · « **Reply #20 on:** 22 Jul 2005, 15:50 »

Now I feel young. That's about the age I started playing violent computer games.

clasicks · « **Reply #21 on:** 22 Jul 2005, 16:21 »

its time for a revolution, for this world is very fucked.

IronOxide · « **Reply #22 on:** 22 Jul 2005, 21:14 »

Quote from: Se7en

The people that fuss about this sort of thing tend to have their own warped agendas to promote. They rely on moral outrage to blow things way out of proportion, usually to gain political support or similar.

How many of the people complaining about it have actaully played the game i wonder? Video games are just the modern version of childhood make-belive games. When i was 8, i owned a cap gun, and would go round shooting people with it. It hasnt turned me into a homicidial maniac yet.. Why should GTA be any different with todays youth?

It's almost a definite fact that people who censor things don't look for any redeeming quality. I've done research on it and just about everybody who tries to censor a work does so for a single offense that they find in the middle without looking through any of the other parts. They condemn it before they try to get to the root about the work.

GTA may have little to no redeeming moral value, but it's FUN. This has been blown way out of proportion.

Samari · « **Reply #23 on:** 23 Jul 2005, 12:24 »

the important thing to remember is that the ESRB is a voluntary industry group whose ratings are intended to be an aid to parents while buying games for children. it was primarily formed to standardize content ratings and keep the government from stepping in back when every company had their own standards and markings for mature content. If the content was actually unlockable without a mod then rockstar's actions really drag the industry's reputation through the mud because now the doubt has been planted about ratings. If developers try to hide things that they know would bump up their ratings it means that the whole system is worthless and may very well give more ammo to those who want video games censored.

the ESRB did what it needed to do in this case, reevaluated the game once they found out about content that would have impacted their original decision.

Se7en · « **Reply #24 on:** 23 Jul 2005, 13:01 »

The thing about the ESRB, is it has retailers support. They wont stock a game that doesnt have a rating, so every game has to have one, unless its blatant porn thats not going to be sold on the highstreet anyway.

In reality, its not voluntary at all, so its no different to a government controled system.

Sarcasmorator · « **Reply #25 on:** 23 Jul 2005, 13:13 »

Quote from: ASturge

They're going to think they can get away with anytihng now...

Next on the list: http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/07/22/news_6129609.html

Se7en · « **Reply #26 on:** 23 Jul 2005, 13:35 »

Okay, thats rediculous. The nude sims code was in the first sims game, and nobody complained about that. Besides, its about as sexually inticing as looking up barbies skirt.

Mentioning peadophiles is just the sort of pathetic scare tactics that this sort have to resort to to make anyone give a damn about the silly things they are whining about.

The fact that its a lawyer kicking up a fuss is even more pathetic. That a lawyer can make money by creating artificial scandals is far, far, more obcene than any video game. Moral outrage kind of looses its moral high ground when its done for money..

IronOxide · « **Reply #27 on:** 23 Jul 2005, 16:01 »

By his logic, every game ever should be banned, because any game can be hacked and modded in this fashion. If someone has the time and energy, they could reprogram Elmo's ABC adventure to have the Count walking around with a gigantic wang dragging between his legs.

The point is that this is the action of certain individuals that cannot be stopped by the game developers.

I hate people.

Mr Putter · « **Reply #28 on:** 24 Jul 2005, 16:48 »

This whole thing is so ricockulous. If kids want to see sex on a computer it's much easier for them to use IE to look up some porn site than it is to download the patch, patch the game, get up to the part with the girlfriend and then date her enough to get invited in for coffee. I mean, I can download files that make Windows Media Player show people having sex, why don't we slap an AO rating on that while we're at it? Oh wait, I know - because it's fucking stupid. It's not like Rockstar released the game with a big web address for the patch on the back of the box, or even hinted that "Hot Coffee" was a possibility.

As long as kids have access to the internet they're always going to have access to objectionable material. These people should be spending more time parenting their children and less time leading pointless moral crusades against the gaming industry. [/rant]

Symp · « **Reply #29 on:** 24 Jul 2005, 17:24 »

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One of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them: It is a well known fact, that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. Anyone who is capable of getting themselves into a position of power should on no account be allowed to do the job. Another problem with governing people is people.

Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)

To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem.

Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)

nexus · « **Reply #30 on:** 24 Jul 2005, 21:56 »

[double post -- sorry I'm on an unstable internet connection]

nexus · « **Reply #31 on:** 24 Jul 2005, 22:03 »

Well, first of all Take2 and Rockstar out and lied and said that the sex mini-game was added by the 3rd party mod. That was bad for the whole industry and I think they should be penalized for it somehow (although that won't happen).

Second, the differences between the 'M' and 'Ao' ratings are incredibly minor if you read the ESRB's description of them. It could be argued that San Andreas (as well as all the GTA3 iterations and many other games) deserve an Adults Only rating regardless of the existence of the 'Hot Coffee' mod. I would add that the only reason they weren't given that rating was because very very few retailers sell 'Ao' games.

This leads to the possibility that the industry isn't properly labelling games in order to sell more product. The ESRB and the gaming industry should never have put themselves in that position because now politicians and sleazy lawyers and 'activists' have a foothold to once again decry gaming as the end-of-all-humanity.

So now the current release of San Andreas is labelled 'Ao' and becomes a collectors item. Retailers who do not sell 'Ao' games will pull it from shelves and lose millions. A "new" version of San Andreas sans-sex mini-game will be released very soon and will retain the original Mature rating. And Take2 once again makes a buttload of money, this time by putting the whole industry in the middle of a wonderful new political attack.

Good job guys.

PS- $50 bucks says the 'Hot Coffee' content will be stripped from the original version and offered as a mod for the "cleaned-up" version

Gryff · « **Reply #32 on:** 25 Jul 2005, 17:29 »

A lot of good points here. What's the age restriction on AO games? In NZ all the GTA games have been R18, which I think is a pretty accurate rating for a game that encourages the indisciminate killing of innocent people and police officers. I enjoy playing GTA:SA but if I had kids I wouldn't want them playing it, not because of anything sexual, but because of the violence!

It was stupid of Rockstar to deny involvement in the Hot Coffee feature, but by the sounds of it the Hot Coffee content is no worse than what you can see in other games, and it takes a very dedicated effort to unlock it.

Just another excuse to blame the downfall of civilisation on a freakin' game.

IronOxide · « **Reply #33 on:** 25 Jul 2005, 18:42 »

In America the difference between M and AO is nothing, really.

M means 17+
AO means 18+

salada · « **Reply #34 on:** 25 Jul 2005, 18:58 »

australia doesn't even have an R, X, or AO classification for games. i think the OFLC (office of film and literature classification, who also do games) max out video games at MA (you have to be over the age of 15 to purchase it). so anything higher than that can't get a commercial release in australia.

gamers, developers, and anticensorship people have been pushing for one for a while now. the fact that we don't have one is pretty fucked.

since this hot coffee thing hit the news here, a bunch of retailers have pulled GTA:SA from their shelves, even though there's been no word from the OFLC. hopefully, this'll create some sort of watershed for a R rating in games here (apparently GTA's this season's best selling videogame here).

neomang5 · « **Reply #35 on:** 26 Jul 2005, 08:28 »

Quote from: clasicks

its time for a revolution, for this world is very fucked.

I hear that.

Look, this whole argument between rockstar and the media has them both looking like idiots and the consumers suffering. I got GTA:SA soon after it came out, beat it, and played around in it, and never found the 'hot coffee' bit. Honestly, it wasnt worth it to deal with the crackheaded girlfrend sim enough, so why bother? Now that someone found out about it and had a problem, everyones in a fucking uproar. The media look like sensationalist bastards for making such a big deal about this minor bit in a game that most people wouldnt access anyway, if not for all the recent controversy. Rockstar looks like a group of lying jackasses for claiming it was a bunch of hackers. The ESRB (and coinciding british, australian, and other counterparts) look like strict hardass bad guys for branding it the way it is.

The worst part is, theyre ALL going to benefit from it. Rockstar will release a 'clean' version, making millions, and keep the 'hot coffee' versions in certain shops, which will cause them to cost more, and people will keep buying them because of one stupid minigame. The media has ratings through the roof because of this weeks big 'omg videogames are awful' bit, and thus get to refill their olympic pool of money. And the ESRB gets to keep their spotless image.

We on the other hand get shafted with higher game prices, increased security on underaged game buying, and having to wait to get a good game that was once easily accessible. Isnt it great to be a gamer?

nexus · « **Reply #36 on:** 26 Jul 2005, 10:07 »

Quote from: neomang5

The worst part is, theyre ALL going to benefit from it. Rockstar will release a 'clean' version, making millions, and keep the 'hot coffee' versions in certain shops, which will cause them to cost more, and people will keep buying them because of one stupid minigame. The media has ratings through the roof because of this weeks big 'omg videogames are awful' bit, and thus get to refill their olympic pool of money. And the ESRB gets to keep their spotless image.

We on the other hand get shafted with higher game prices, increased security on underaged game buying, and having to wait to get a good game that was once easily accessible. Isnt it great to be a gamer?

I wholeheartedly agree that this entire eepode was blown way out of proportion (would you expect anything less?). But the fact of the matter is, it has done damage to the industry. Politicians and activists with a burning desire to attack the gaming industry they now have more ammo by being able to say that games are hiding away "explicit"/"evil"/(choose your buzzword) content to get a lower rating and that your kids are in danger! Won't somebody please think of the children! To the vast majority of people it's a lame sex mini-game barely worth mentioning, but look at the big picture and you can see the damage done.

I don't see how anyone is benefiting from this aside from Rockstar & Take2. Like Tycho said "It's unfortunate that in order to defend videogames, it usually means you're defending Rockstar specifically." Fortunately, they might get what's coming to them http://www1.gamespot.com/news/2005/07/25/news_6129723.html

Schmung · « **Reply #37 on:** 26 Jul 2005, 10:11 »

It's politicians being stupid, you don't sue the makers of fireworks because someones extracted all the gunpowder from a box of them and blown up someones car and yet Rockstar are getting in the neck because someones wiggled around with the code and enabled something that was removed from the game proper.

Rockstar getting more money means they they can spend more on their next game, surely a good thing. Note that this hasn't happened anywhere else, the media in every other country is reporting what the US politicians are doing, yet I've yet to here anything about other countries goverments kicking off about all this. Gogo puritanism.

neomang5 · « **Reply #38 on:** 26 Jul 2005, 10:27 »

Shmung... I hate to break it to you, but noone added this but rockstar.
Its in the ps2 version.
And Rockstar getting more money doesnt equal a better game, just bigger paychecks for them.

@nexus: great, so now not only do we lose money, but we may lose GTA forever. Damnable politicians.

nexus · « **Reply #39 on:** 26 Jul 2005, 14:46 »

Quote from: neomang5

great, so now not only do we lose money, but we may lose GTA forever. Damnable politicians.

Quote from: Schmung

It's politicians being stupid

As I said, I wholeheartedly agree. It's complete idiocy and I have no idea why a poor sex-mini game with minimal nudity and crude animation is such a huge deal.

As stupid as it sounds to the vast majority of people, it is a huge deal. This has become a huge issue, and we can't just sit back and mock it however much it deserves to be mocked.

Although the politicians are idiots, they are idiots with power. There will be another GTA, there's no doubt about it, but if Rockstar doesn't get punished in some way for this either by the gaming industry or Washington, then all of this bullshit is going to negatively affect the industry and gamers everywhere.

Se7en · « **Reply #40 on:** 26 Jul 2005, 15:25 »

I'm in agreement there. Ultimately, all this idiocy does is make games, gamers, and the game industry look bad.

We dont need computer games to be demonised by those that attempt to force their moral values onto others, because power in the hands of those people is dangerous.

Gryff · « **Reply #41 on:** 26 Jul 2005, 15:32 »

Quote from: neomang5

We on the other hand get shafted with higher game prices, increased security on underaged game buying, and having to wait to get a good game that was once easily accessible.

Firstly, I doubt that Rockstar will bump up the price of the game - that would be a pretty underhanded thing to do.

Secondly, underaged game buying shouldn't be happening in the first place so I don't see this as a negative - just because they're games doesn't mean that they should be exempt from classification.

I'll give you the point about the game being made unavailable though.

Basically the bad guys here are the politicians and the media for blowing this way out of proportion, and the lame-ass retailers who decide not to stock a game just because it's rated AO (and because of the media coverage). Rockstar may have acted stupidly, but they haven't really done anything wrong as far as I can see.

ForteBass · « **Reply #42 on:** 26 Jul 2005, 16:03 »

Quote from: Gryff

Firstly, I doubt that Rockstar will bump up the price of the game - that would be a pretty underhanded thing to do.

Underhanded like leaving a sex game in their code and then lying about it?

Se7en · « **Reply #43 on:** 26 Jul 2005, 16:05 »

Rockstar wont increase prices, but retailers certainly would.

happybirthdaygelatin · « **Reply #44 on:** 26 Jul 2005, 16:22 »

Oh god oh god, not sex in video games. Seriously, going out into the woods and dancing (together or by themselvesses) use to be considered evil and wrong. In another, say, ten years, this won't be diddly squat. Fuck, it's hardly diddly squat now.

nexus · « **Reply #45 on:** 26 Jul 2005, 17:05 »

Quote from: neomang5

Rockstar may have acted stupidly, but they haven't really done anything wrong as far as I can see.

Well leaving the code in the game was stupid, yes. But what they did wrong was to lie to the ESA, the media, and whatever politicians were in the mix by saying that the content was added by the "Hot Coffee" mod and it didn't unlock content (a blatant lie which -- to my knowledge -- they still stick to). In the current climate, that is a big wrong. One for which they deserve to be punished in some form.

If they had just said, "Oh, fuck, we're idiots, yeah we forgot to remove that content from the game. We apologize, if we need an 'Ao' rating so be it, we'll put out a new version with that content removed entirely." I doubt it would be nearly the big deal it was.

But that would have been the mature and sensible thing to do. Instead of acting like a big company, Rockstar and Take2 acted like a teenager who just got caught with pot in his/her room and tried any escuse they can think of to place blame elsewhere.

Like I said, now that they acted this way, politicians have fodder to say "game developers are hiding evil things in the games your kids play and lying about it. we need to regulate them." Sensationalistic of course, but the entire thing could have been avoided if Rockstar & Take2 would have acted like something other than buttfuckidiots.

maxusy3k · « **Reply #46 on:** 27 Jul 2005, 02:25 »

Every Grand Theft Auto game brings a whole new world of controversy to the table, whether it's kids going out and gunning down whoever they feel like and the parents blaming the game, or something like this... Rockstar messed up, and it's going to have huge ramifications, but it's not like they've never dealt with it before and I'm pretty sure GTA is still one of the biggest video game franchises out there.

The only problem now is that the groups who hammer practically every video game have won support and press. This will no doubt lead to more games being targeted, as pointed out in the Gamespot article about The Sims 2. It's these consequences I'm most worried about...

How long before people realise Pac-Man was munching pills that whole time, or that Mario needed 'mushrooms' to increase his strength?

*sigh*

Addius · « **Reply #47 on:** 27 Jul 2005, 03:33 »

Perhaps it's time we started pointing out that the problem here is not all "politicians" but mainly right-wing christian politicians, or politicians who try to get voters from this mass, which is probably the greatest political power in the US.

The rest of the world simply points, laughs, forget about it and moves on.

And let's all be honest.. We all know (atleast those of us who's been following Rockstar throughout the years) that they let that code stay there on purpose. They wanted people to find the code, hack it and use it, that's their style. They probably couldn't care less if they are rated as AO, because the people who buy their games doesn't care either.

About the Sims 2 hack it's all silly. You need some basic model to build the character of, avoiding this is near impossible if you still want efficient code left.

Does this mean that they won't change anything in the Xbox version though?

JJMitchell · « **Reply #48 on:** 29 Jul 2005, 05:22 »

Quote from: ironoxide887

Seriously though, people. It is perfectly natural for people to bump ugly. Yet it is completely inappropriate to kill.

Why is this reversed in the media?

I wish I knew why. To me it makes no damn sense anyway since if parents bought this game for their kids its their own damned fault. I know most parents don't take the time to find out what is in a game but geez. Maybe I'm just pissed because sex isn't okay but violence isn't.

I don't know about you folks but i haven't shot anyone but I've had sex before. Maybe the crazy people are reversed.

Switchblade · « **Reply #49 on:** 29 Jul 2005, 08:22 »

Stupidity comes from two sources. The most basic is birth. Stupidity can, however, also be a factor of influence - the more powerful a person is, the more stupid their actions become.

I just raise a friendly "fuck you" to the lot of them and do my own thing, it saves time.

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