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The Indie-ification of Ian Bryce
Kai:
Course, what you silly kids call art metal isn't very arty. At least from what I've heard referred to it. Say, Pelican. They are totally not art metal. People totally should not refer to them like that (at least two people I know. So.)
jcknbl:
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That's because indie, while technically not being a genre, has developed a defined sound. When i hear indie-rock i already have a vague idea what the band is going to sound like.
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What common feature does the word indie signify when its used to describe bands as disparate as Death Cab for Cutie, Lightning Bolt, the Fiery Furnaces, the Arcade Fire, Neutral Milk Hotel, Deerhoof, Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Pavement, Wilco, Sleater-Kinney, Sunny Day Real Estate, My Bloody Valentine, and At The Drive-In?
KharBevNor:
I can think of better words to describe half those bands.
Besides which, a lot of them share the same sort of aesthetic. I mean, you should see some of the stuff that gets lumped together as 'gothic' music. And I'm just talking the stuff that actually has a claim to the title.
Johnny C:
--- Quote from: Kai ---Course, what you silly kids call art metal isn't very arty. At least from what I've heard referred to it. Say, Pelican. They are totally not art metal. People totally should not refer to them like that (at least two people I know. So.)
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I consider art metal to be metal with a decidedly artistic intent, and yes that DOES refer to certain bands. One, if Pelican isn't art-metal, with their double kick drums, machine-gun riffs, and drop-tuned guitars combined with ambient soundscapes, what are they? And secondly, Sunn-O))), Isis and Khanate, for example, fall under the "art-metal" banner. And third, artists can be classified as more than one genre. And fourth, before you launch Fantomas or anything at me, "art" is not synonymous with "confusing and alienating."
POW, mothafucka.
Oh, and good points, Khar. I posted at such a time as to exactly miss your post which says kind of similar things to mine except you understand metal better. SHEEPISH LOOK!
And I totally forgot to include this in my last post: Semantics is a crappy game, everyone. Try Katamari instead.
EDIT: Dammit, Khar.
Kai:
Pelican I've always called sludge metal, because that is way more descriptive of what they are. Sunn-O))) are most certainly doom metal, albiet very heavy and droneish. Isis... post metalish, I guess, although that's not a very good term. I love all these bands, just for simplicity sake I keep them out of the art metal genre. And I'm very well aware art isn't synonymous with "confusing and alienating". I'm just considering it pretty much the metal vesion of what people call art rock: The Mothers, Can, Amon Duul, etc.
Although you do put up a nice point when you bring up there artistic intent, I personally would quicker classify them by their sound than the intent. And looking back on it, you could lump them into Art Metal.
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