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« on: 26 Jun 2006, 02:04 »

its true, gibson headstocks break like crazy.



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« Reply #1 on: 27 Jun 2006, 02:18 »

answer: buy fender
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« Reply #2 on: 27 Jun 2006, 04:24 »

That picture allmost made me faint.
DONT DO THAT EVER AGAIN



Anyway, what the hell happened to it?
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« Reply #3 on: 27 Jun 2006, 10:44 »

That's awful.  I just did his with my upright.  The good news is- it's very fixable due to the Gibson headstock shape.  Buy Titebond glue, a C-clamp, and two pieces of plexiglass.  Clean the crack out completely and liberally apply the glue.  Use a clean towel to wipe off the execess glue.  Then place the plexi on each side of the headstock.  Clamp down the c-clamp and wipe off any additional glue seeping out the sides.  Then  leave it alone for two days.  You should be able to unclamp it and remove the plexi and have it be good as new.

When you put the strings back on, do it gingerly at first to confirm the glue will hold.  It should though, provided the break is clean and there are no chips.  Happy gee-tarr-ing.
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« Reply #4 on: 27 Jun 2006, 10:52 »

I almost forgot- you probably figured it out but you have to take off the strings and tuning pegs first.
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« Reply #5 on: 03 Jul 2006, 09:49 »

Can't you replace the entire neck? Doesn't that keep the tone and other qualities better?
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« Reply #6 on: 03 Jul 2006, 17:20 »

i second the buy a fender. if it makes the professor who teaches history of rock and roll at my school, it means BUY IT NOW.

and that doesn't make me as sad as the day one of my classmates kicked my friends cello and kicked the whole neck off. THAT is sad.
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« Reply #7 on: 03 Jul 2006, 21:35 »

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Can't you replace the entire neck? Doesn't that keep the tone and other qualities better?



replacing set necks (glued on to the body) is mucho expensivo.


That's why i buy fender :)
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« Reply #8 on: 04 Jul 2006, 07:11 »

Or, buy something that is neither a gibson (expensive) or a fender (poorly made, still usually expensive)!
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« Reply #9 on: 04 Jul 2006, 07:49 »

Shit, I got my Fender for 70. It is in wonderful condition. TAKE THAT
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« Reply #10 on: 04 Jul 2006, 10:51 »

Fender still kinda sucks though!
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« Reply #11 on: 04 Jul 2006, 12:05 »

My Fender Jazz Bass is pretty much the best thing that ever happend to me. Seriously.
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« Reply #12 on: 04 Jul 2006, 14:16 »

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Or, buy something that is neither a gibson (expensive) or a fender (poorly made, still usually expensive)!


the mexican one are decently made, you just have to try a bunch out until you can find one where the fretwork is perfect, then it's an amazing guitar for the cost (500 canadian for mine)
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« Reply #13 on: 04 Jul 2006, 17:32 »

it's like the march of the fendorians!  Hope you don't get oFENDed.  Maybe you would've been better off FENDing for yourself. yeah i'm done.  i like fender, too.
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« Reply #14 on: 04 Jul 2006, 18:37 »

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My Fender Jazz Bass is pretty much the best thing that ever happend to me. Seriously.


I dunno how their basses are, but I know just enough about guitars to know most Fenders are pretty shitty for the price they charge.
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« Reply #15 on: 04 Jul 2006, 18:56 »

You know... I like fenders, they've got an excellent sound to them. Of course, nothin really compares to the older guitar brands... Like Carlos. ^^
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« Reply #16 on: 04 Jul 2006, 22:05 »

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Can't you replace the entire neck? Doesn't that keep the tone and other qualities better?



replacing set necks (glued on to the body) is mucho expensivo.


That's why i buy fender :)


Ah. Glued. Sorry. Carry on.

That sucks even worse though, you have my sincerest sympathies.
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« Reply #17 on: 09 Jul 2006, 19:11 »

The forum divides into two camps...

I really don't understand why anyone would say that Fenders are crap... They're still some of the best guitars out there.  I love my strat so very much.
And holy crap Gibson quality control is going to be their downfall.
And using laminates in their Custom Shop.  Honestly, what the fuck?
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« Reply #18 on: 10 Jul 2006, 01:27 »

i love gibson and fender alot, but when i needed to get a guitar it was a choice between the SG and a telecaster deluxe and the tone on the SG was much better than the telecasters in my opinion.

plus the SG is way lighter than a telecaster.
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« Reply #19 on: 10 Jul 2006, 05:26 »

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plus the SG is way lighter than a telecaster.


Something is wrong when people are complaining about the weight of a telecaster...
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« Reply #20 on: 10 Jul 2006, 07:25 »

Something is wrong when people complain about the weight of guitars.  Maybe those people should try to play bass.
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« Reply #21 on: 10 Jul 2006, 07:50 »

i play an ibanez ergodyne and its hella heavy.

but seriously, the sg's thinner body, lighter weight and a fretboard that isnt laquored makes it a better choice for me, but thats simply personal preference.
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« Reply #22 on: 10 Jul 2006, 10:00 »

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Fender still kinda sucks though!


then why did people like buddy holly and jimi hendrix have fenders? because they in fact do not suck.
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« Reply #23 on: 10 Jul 2006, 10:58 »

They are both prematurely dead though.

Wait a SECOND!

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« Reply #24 on: 10 Jul 2006, 12:56 »

Because they didn't suck back in the 60's, obviously. A lot can change in 40 years.
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« Reply #25 on: 10 Jul 2006, 13:19 »

Actually, the new Fender production line is pretty good. My Jazz Bass is Highway 1 (2003) and it sounds great. I mean, not like a 62' Jazz Bass, but it'll do because I'm not recording with Weather Report.
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« Reply #26 on: 10 Jul 2006, 14:11 »

Whether or not a guitar sucks is entirely opinion, and I think for a guitar to still be one of the most popular all these decades later, be it a Les or a Strat or a Tele, takes something special. I doubt they'll be playing many Variaxes in twenty years.

Personally, I favour Teles, and screw all this 'Fender sucks' crap, they work just fine for me, and it's never broken.
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« Reply #27 on: 10 Jul 2006, 19:21 »

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Fender still kinda sucks though!


then why did people like buddy holly and jimi hendrix have fenders? because they in fact do not suck.


I never really understood the appeal of Hendrix... wanky blues riffs with too much fuzz
Too many drugs = too much noise
Though his clean playing did kick serious ass.  Rhythm figures to All Along the Watchtower - beautiful.
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« Reply #28 on: 10 Jul 2006, 20:17 »

Solution for ALL your problems:
Switch to Jazz Flute!



EDIT: Sorry for this non sequitur of a post... I thought it might amuse a couple of you... I can be kinda silly/stupid sometimes. Ah heh... Hmm... my apologies...
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« Reply #29 on: 10 Jul 2006, 23:24 »

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Fender still kinda sucks though!


then why did people like buddy holly and jimi hendrix have fenders? because they in fact do not suck.


hendrix also played a gibson flying v.
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« Reply #30 on: 11 Jul 2006, 03:51 »

Buy an Ibanez. End of discussion.

But really, newer fenders suck enormous ass. Their quality control is really lacking, just like Gibson.

At least Gibson guitars are built in a way where it's virtually impossible to make it suck, in my opinion. Even a poorly built Les Paul or SG is still gonna sound badass, whereas a poorly built strat is gonna sound even more boring and soulless than they already do.

I would really dig a older-than-Andy-Rooney Strat though, but anything fender post-1990 is utter bull to me.

I must say I'm an Ibanez whore for life though.
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« Reply #31 on: 11 Jul 2006, 05:57 »

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Fender still kinda sucks though!


then why did people like buddy holly and jimi hendrix have fenders? because they in fact do not suck.


hendrix also played a gibson flying v.


He also played a Les Paul on occasion.  Which means he was not a little nancy-boy who complained about things that were heavy.  Another thing going for him.
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« Reply #32 on: 11 Jul 2006, 06:00 »

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Buy an Ibanez. End of discussion.

But really, newer fenders suck enormous ass. Their quality control is really lacking, just like Gibson.

At least Gibson guitars are built in a way where it's virtually impossible to make it suck, in my opinion. Even a poorly built Les Paul or SG is still gonna sound badass, whereas a poorly built strat is gonna sound even more boring and soulless than they already do.

I would really dig a older-than-Andy-Rooney Strat though, but anything fender post-1990 is utter bull to me.

I must say I'm an Ibanez whore for life though.


I'll say you're a whore alright...

Admittedly Ibanez makes some solid axes... but you still can't even compare most of them to even a Mexistandard 'caster.  Part of that is because they really are different instruments for different styles of music, but overall Fender still really is the better company...
I think if any other company is going to knock them out, it could be Godin in a couple years.  They've really been stepping up to the plate lately.
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« Reply #33 on: 11 Jul 2006, 06:19 »

I've got a Squier Precision Bass (assembled in China), and it's been pretty good to me.

Mind you, I've only had it for a month, but still, no signs of any sort of decay or crappiness.
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« Reply #34 on: 11 Jul 2006, 07:42 »

I have a confession to make.



I don't like Ibanez guitars at all. I can't really put why I don't like them into words, I just... don't.
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« Reply #35 on: 11 Jul 2006, 07:46 »

Youre not the only one. I know a lot of people with unexplained hate for Ibanez equipment.
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« Reply #36 on: 11 Jul 2006, 09:19 »

Without being stupid here, you can't really 'control' the 'quality' of a material that's as inconsistent as wood is. If they cut it up and wedged it back together like chipboard or something it'd sound like shit and people would bitch about it.
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« Reply #37 on: 11 Jul 2006, 10:03 »

Here are a two articals that I found interesting. I mean, if youre into guitar building or simply interested.

Some of the best bass builders in the world talking about bass building, among other things. The first part of this page really touches the Fender Vs. everything we talked about erlier. You know what? I'll copy it here:
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Michael Tobias: A few weeks ago, I heard from a guy who had spent 3,500 of his hard-earned dollars on a Tobias bass. He'd gone to a recording session, and the engineer couldn't get a sound with it. The engineer told him, "Go get a Fender," so this guy went out and got his Jazz Bass and brought it back to the studio. The engineer looked at it: Bang. Fine. "Play." So this guy asks me, "Why is this Fender a better bass in the studio than my expensive Tobias? Do you builders make these instruments just to satisfy your own egos? Do you pay attention to the market? Do you pay attention to what we need?" Now I would have to say there are several factors involved: One is your technique. Another is getting used to a new instrument and learning how to voice it. And another is tunnel vision from engineers who will just look at a bass and say, "It's not a Fender; I can't get a sound." All of us, to a greater or lesser extent, have to fight this kind of thing, because we don't just make Fender copies. So the question is: Is the Fender bass still the standard and, if so, do we raise it? Lower it? Confuse it?

Roger Sadowsky: I'll dive in, because I think I surrender to it, probably more than anybody here [laughter]. Fifteen years ago, when my business consisted of doing repairs for the studio players in New York and I began to think of building my own instruments, all of those issues were smack in my face. The players didn't want anything that didn't look like a Fender, because they knew what the engineers would say. We're talking about jingle session where nobody was taking more than two minutes to get a sound - plug in, knock it out, you're outta there.

That situation was a major factor in the decision I made about the instruments I was going to build. So, as I said, I just surrendered to it. I saw what my market was and who my clients were, and I wasn't willing to spend ten years beating my head against the wall, trying to give them something they were going to resist. I made a commitment to make the best Jazz-style bass I could and to offer any refinements I could to the design. I'm comfortable with that - I mean, I don't have a problem with it. You brought up a very real issue, Michael. Creatively, it's frustrating because it limits what I can do - but looking at it from the business perspective of giving people what they want, it's worth it to me.

Michael Pedulla: We took a slight different route. Number one, I've always thought that I simply wouldn't be able compete with a large, established company on its own territory. I had to make a niche for myself. That's one reason why I got into making basses - guitar players wouldn't look at it if it wasn't a Martin or a Gibson or a Strat, but bass players were much more open to trying something new, regardless of the name or what it looked like.

We were trying to take what was established and change it a little bit, improve it. And it's a different instrument, so you have to get used to it. It's like going from a Ford Escort to a Porsche - boy, that Porsche is difficult to drive at first. Everything's different about it. And it takes a long time to learn to drive it well.

Bret Carlson: The Fender does only one thing, pretty much. It does that thing well, and everybody's used to what it does.

Michael Tobias: Right, everybody's used to it, but in 40 years how much has the state of the art changed? Alembic came out in the '70s with these incredible basses, but they're not the state of the art today.

Geoff Gould: I thing you're mixing up terms. Fender may be the standard - I'll buy that - but it's not the state of the art.

Richie Owens: But isn't it the standard partly because of the analog recording techniques that people got used to? It was the standard sound on a lot of recordings, so everybody adapted to it. Now the technology is changing, with digital and everything, and engineers are able to accept an instrument with a wider frequency range than a Fender bass. Recording technology is becoming more open to other instruments.

Geoff Gould: What Mike said in the beginning about engineers is the key to the whole thing. A while ago, engineers would see a Modulus bass and say, "Oh, I can't work with that; it's too hard." But now Nashville is our most successful town, and most of the engineers have a Modulus setting. It's become normal here.

Roger Sadowsky: Also, Nashville is a town where a guy goes to a session with a trunk, and he's got eight basses with him. In New York, on the other hand, the guy's got one bass in a gig bag, and he hops on a subway to get to the session. It's really different.

Michael Replogle: We're seeing almost a circular evolution. The engineers might be on the back side, but now they've got a Modulus setting - cool. So it's almost become a standard. At the same time, as builders, we often push the envelope, to give players new sounds and new direction. Seven or eight years ago, when I was with Valley Arts, we were making basses that were just glorified Fenders, really. We weren't pushing the envelope. But at Steinberger we've got a whole different animal, and it is pushing that envelope. Each of us here is pushing out into the wilderness, and eventually, behind us, the engineers come along. But they haven't forgotten that old sound. So while we're breaking new territory, we're still trying to cover that old sound too. It's almost a circular thing.

Michael Tobias: Things do run in interesting cycles. For a couple of years, neck-throughs were the hottest thing, and then bolt-ons make a big comeback.

Bret Carlson: People are always trying to find something better. It was "more sustain" for a while, then it was "wider frequency response." Sometimes you go too far, and then you say, "Okay, this is good. We got this far, now let's back up a little bit and focus on what works ."

Geoff Gould: But I think we're all here because Fender gives us the room to be here.

Michael Pedulla: Well, they're not changing - it's been P-Bass and Jazz Bass forever.

Geoff Gould: Let's face it, they have to do that. They're stuck in that niche. Now, one interesting thing that we're working on is a J-style 5-string. And Fender's working on that, too; they've had one, but they're introducing a couple of new versions. But where does a 5-string meet a Jazz Bass? I think there are some
compromises that you have to make.

Michael Tobias: Well, a 5-string's just never going to respond like a 4-string, anyway.

Michael Pedulla: Most of the guys I work with still use a fretted 4-string because the E string just sounds different than it does on a 5-string. And the B string on a 6 sounds different from the B string on a 5.


And another one: Michael Tobias on guitar building
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« Reply #38 on: 11 Jul 2006, 10:57 »

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Buy an Ibanez. End of discussion.

But really, newer fenders suck enormous ass. Their quality control is really lacking, just like Gibson.

At least Gibson guitars are built in a way where it's virtually impossible to make it suck, in my opinion. Even a poorly built Les Paul or SG is still gonna sound badass, whereas a poorly built strat is gonna sound even more boring and soulless than they already do.

I would really dig a older-than-Andy-Rooney Strat though, but anything fender post-1990 is utter bull to me.

I must say I'm an Ibanez whore for life though.


I'll say you're a whore alright...

Admittedly Ibanez makes some solid axes... but you still can't even compare most of them to even a Mexistandard 'caster.  Part of that is because they really are different instruments for different styles of music, but overall Fender still really is the better company...
I think if any other company is going to knock them out, it could be Godin in a couple years.  They've really been stepping up to the plate lately.


Well, then you've been lucky, and gotten one of the better examples. The thing that I find sucky with fender, is the inconsistency of quality, especially in the lower range models.

I have a real problem with fender, really. And I can explain it as well.
Like I said, the quality control is a joke, and they are just too darned expensive with that taken in to consideration. Of all guitar companies out there, Fender is the one that rests the most on their laurels, simply because the strat is so Iconic.

A lot of the greats play strats, so therefore Fender can shove all kinds of hack job axes down the throats of naive youngsters. It's as simple as that, and that is what i dislike. They rely too much on the brand name to sell, and they are just so conservative in their model range. No 7-strings, virtually no extended scales, no interesting finishes etc. etc... Just the same old shit over and over again.

Their lack of versatility and creativity really bug the shit out of me. Like you said, Godin totally own their asses in terms of quality and well... Evertyhing.

I have an SD, which can sound just as stratty as any Strat, but still I'm able to pull off a kick-ass rock tone or even Death Metal chug on it. A Mexistandard Strat just can't do that, and it costs more.

So yeah, I guess you could say my main pet peeve is fender guitars, and to some extent their clientel :p

And one last question: Have you ever PLAYED an Ibanez? Let alone one of their more expensive models? Or anything other than a fender, for that matter. Try taking a look at G&L, the company that Fender SHOULD have been.
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« Reply #39 on: 11 Jul 2006, 11:08 »

I most certainly have played some Ibanez guitars. My uncle plays Ibanez, and it's a pretty high end model. It's a sold exe, surely, but I just didn't like playing it. The only way I can really describe it is it felt souless, although that's not going to make any sense.


Just not my cup of tea, if you will.
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« Reply #40 on: 11 Jul 2006, 14:14 »

Begin quote (I cut a little too much off the top o' this one)

Well, then you've been lucky, and gotten one of the better examples. The thing that I find sucky with fender, is the inconsistency of quality, especially in the lower range models.

I have a real problem with fender, really. And I can explain it as well.
Like I said, the quality control is a joke, and they are just too darned expensive with that taken in to consideration. Of all guitar companies out there, Fender is the one that rests the most on their laurels, simply because the strat is so Iconic.

A lot of the greats play strats, so therefore Fender can shove all kinds of hack job axes down the throats of naive youngsters. It's as simple as that, and that is what i dislike. They rely too much on the brand name to sell, and they are just so conservative in their model range. No 7-strings, virtually no extended scales, no interesting finishes etc. etc... Just the same old shit over and over again.

Their lack of versatility and creativity really bug the shit out of me. Like you said, Godin totally own their asses in terms of quality and well... Evertyhing.

I have an SD, which can sound just as stratty as any Strat, but still I'm able to pull off a kick-ass rock tone or even Death Metal chug on it. A Mexistandard Strat just can't do that, and it costs more.

So yeah, I guess you could say my main pet peeve is fender guitars, and to some extent their clientel :p

And one last question: Have you ever PLAYED an Ibanez? Let alone one of their more expensive models? Or anything other than a fender, for that matter. Try taking a look at G&L, the company that Fender SHOULD have been.

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1)  I guess I have been lucky.  There's no way the four Fenders in my house could all just be really good because there's some kind of consistency in a CNC machine.  Nope, just got the ones that the magic guitar fairy farted on.

2)  The guitars they cram down n00bs throats?  They're Squier.  Most guys who're just starting out aren't going to get a 500 dollar guitar.

3)  Conservative?  They revolutionized the guitar and made something that just about everyone loves.  I don't see why they'd be in a rush to make axes for small audiences.  A lot of people just don't like 7-strings, far more than the number that do.  They have a broad lineup of guitars that have never really served them wrong.

4)  Don't take me out of context.  I said that in the near future I can see Godin beating them out.  Dollar-for-dollar, I'd still take a Fender over a Godin.  They don't have the same character that a quackin' strat can deal out.  Period.

5)  I've owned three Ibanezs, so yeah, I think I can say I've played one.  Not just one kind either, had a stupid heavy metal thing (RG270 if memory serves me right... didn't hold onto that one too long), a jazz box (hell if I remember the name, but the whole thing was quilt maple.  Even the pickguard.  It was a gross looking guitar... sounded alright, but nothing special) and PResque semihollow.  That one covered just about everything my strat couldn't do (which isn't much) but it really just wasn't worth holding onto.  G&L are indeed the sex though, but hella expensivo up here in Canuckland.[/b]
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« Reply #41 on: 11 Jul 2006, 16:05 »

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Shit, I got my Fender for 70. It is in wonderful condition. TAKE THAT


Squier alert? ;)
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« Reply #42 on: 11 Jul 2006, 16:18 »

Okay, I'll try and sound a little less cranky this time. Please forgive my previous rantyness.

1) There's still issues like wood quality, and how they're put together.

2) I know that full well, don't get me wrong. They still do have a kind of monopoly on the market, as I see it, with all the kids who are going out to buy their first "real" guitar, and people who still believe they are the dog's bollocks, because they were in the old days.

3) Yes, they are conservative and boring to ME! I should have pointed that out earlier, sorry. I know that Gibson aren't much better in the conservative department, but at least they make a point out of making variations on their old designs, and have a few more radical body shapes in their roster. Just like more or less every other company out there.
Fender does have a few "special" models every now and again, but still nothing impressive.

I can in some way understand the bad feelings towards 7-strings, because they still have that whole Korn/Nu-metal stigma attached to them, to some degree. But still, the fact that they haven't tried anything weird, tells me they are afraid to take chances in a market where doing just that is the way to get ahead of your competitors.

And I apologize if I sound  rude now, but I can't help myself:
Yes, they revolutionized the guitar. SIXTY FUCKING YEARS AGO! Pretty much all other innovations since then, have been from other companies.

4) Godin won't beat them or become bigger. I wish to god they would, but it won't happen, because Fender will always have legions of fanboys defending their mediocre, soulless Rehashocasters. Fender fanboys are even worse than Ibanez fanboys sometimes, and that's bad. Very bad.
If you wanna play blues, fine, get a strat ( or an ES-335). If you wanna play country, get a tele.
But to me, that's all they're good for. You can't play metal on a Strat unless you mod it. You can't play hard rock on a tele, unless you put a humbucker in it.
I honestly believe that a lot of other companies make guitars that can do the fender sounds just as well as newer fenders, and then have other sounds at their disposal as well. Thank god for coil-splittable humbuckers.

Of course you can try and use a strat for everything, but in a lot of situations where it's not at home, it will come up short compared to other guitars. IMHO goddamnit, IMHO!

5) Well, good for you. You had one of their low-end RG's with stock pickups, which are admittedly teh suck, and were even worse back in the day. Try one of their high-end models, the ones that cost the same as american standard Strat, and tell me they're not

a) more playable than any newer production Fender could ever hope to be
b) More sonically versatile

"Vibe" is where it gets subjective, and where we can't argue. You think Ibanez's feel soulless, which I to some extent understand. They do have a more "technological" feel to 'em, I'll agree with you there. I just think it's a small sacrifice to make, in other to have the playability and sound of it.

 I, on the other hand, think that Fenders are soulless, because they all look and sound the same to me. And i just don't like being limited in the way you are with a standard Strat. If i wanna play quiet and clean on my mean-ass seven-string, I'll just split the coils of the 'buckers, and turn it down.
If I wanna get heavy with a strat, I gotta go change pickups and all that crap.

Bear in mind, that my mindless ranting is directed at newer, production Fenders. The really old models, and the custom shop models, sound friggin' awesome, and have vibe in spades, but the newer ones have neither vibe nor tone, as I see and hear it.


Okay, I need to sleep now. I just hope I can restrain myself to keep the discussion friendly if it continues ;)
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« Reply #43 on: 11 Jul 2006, 16:23 »

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Without being stupid here, you can't really 'control' the 'quality' of a material that's as inconsistent as wood is. If they cut it up and wedged it back together like chipboard or something it'd sound like shit and people would bitch about it.


Easily. Before you make guitars out of it, you analyse the density and all other factors about it, and sort it accordingly.

Your PRS and your Epiphone may have stood next to each other in the rainforest, but the healthiest tree became the PRS.
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« Reply #44 on: 11 Jul 2006, 16:37 »

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Shit, I got my Fender for 70. It is in wonderful condition. TAKE THAT


Squier alert? ;)



more of Estate sales. dead people FTW!


EDIT: And to each his own, my friend. To each his own.
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but the music sucks because the keyboards don't have the cold/mechanical sound they had but a wannabe techno sound that it's pathetic for Rammstein standars.

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« Reply #45 on: 11 Jul 2006, 17:15 »

1) Wood does suprisingly little.  I have built guitars, I know this for a fact.  D'Aquisto once built an archtop out of, I shit you not, cardboard, a little bit of plywood, and paper maché.  It could kick more ass than 90% of guitars out there.  It's how the materials are put together, not what they are.

2) You really have no faith in people.  It's easy to say "people know Fender, so they're going to buy them."  As far as I'm concerned, anyone who goes into a store and buys the first guitar they see just because of some name isn't a guitar player, they're a tool.  God forbid they'd play more than one thing before they buy.

3) http://toronto.craigslist.org/msg/180920377.html  enough said.

Name something revolutionary that another company is doing?  I'll give you two, and I'll be impressed if you can name another, let alone match my offering.
Rainsong guitars makes acoustics entirely out of graphite.  You see, sound energy going into the wood on a guitar creates heat, substantially so the higher up the neck you go (hence less sustain).  Graphite negates this effect, so you end up getting high ringing notes at the top.
Garrison out of Newfoundland recently began shipping guitars with a one-piece bridge and bracing system that helps sound to transfer to the top.

4) Lets see... Funk, Punk, R&B, Jazz, Soul, Gospel, Rock (and yes, strats can handle hard rock, and regular teles can actually hold their own in metal settings), Pop, Klezmer, Reggae, Ska, Dub, and just about everything else - Fenders can handle it.  I'd say, and I'm sure many would agree, that the Strat is one hell of a versatile guitar.  Then you look at basses.  Shit, a Jazz Bass can handle everything.  No exceptions.  If there's a bass, a jazz will do the trick.
And I'm really questioning your sense of tone if a coil splitted humbucker gives you a single-coil tone you're happy with.  That's gross.  Like EMG gross.

5) Fuck /no one/ needs an American strat.  Shove some Duncan's in a Mexicaster and holy hell that's a fine ass guitar for way less than your nancy-boy pointy-ass Ibanezs.  The only thing cool about the Prestige series (other than the DiMarzios in some, those are the sex) is the piezo bridge - but wait, Fender has that.  And they're better piezos at that.

"Vibe" is where it gets subjective, and where we can't argue. You think Ibanez's feel soulless, which I to some extent understand. They do have a more "technological" feel to 'em, I'll agree with you there. I just think it's a small sacrifice to make, in other to have the playability and sound of it.

Go out and actually play a Fener tomorrow.  A stock, Mexican made (Japenese if you're feeling particularly peckish) Fender.  Play a couple.  Guaranteed you'll find something you love.  Perhaps a nice black telecaster with a sexy sexy maple fretboard.  Then you're going to go see a replacement pickguard in the clearance bin, and suddenly you won't feel so bad about it looking like someone else's guitar.
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« Reply #46 on: 11 Jul 2006, 17:17 »

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Your PRS and your Epiphone may have stood next to each other in the rainforest, but the tree with the dragon inlaid on it became the PRS.
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« Reply #47 on: 11 Jul 2006, 19:11 »

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1) Wood does suprisingly little.  I have built guitars, I know this for a fact.


you must be tone deaf.

anyway taylor built a guitar out of plywood and it sounded pretty good but thats only because of their superior craftsmanship, a better wood built to the same quality would have produced a better tone.

and dont call me a nancy boy because i consider a lighter guitar nice.
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« Reply #48 on: 11 Jul 2006, 19:16 »

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1) Wood does suprisingly little.  I have built guitars, I know this for a fact.


you must be tone deaf.

anyway taylor built a guitar out of plywood and it sounded pretty good but thats only because of their superior craftsmanship, a better wood built to the same quality would have produced a better tone.

and dont call me a nancy boy because i consider a lighter guitar nice.


tone deafness is not being able to hear pitches... ironically enough
and yeah, I'm not saying that the wood you use doesn't effect it, I was merely trying to say that it doesn't do as much as you'd think.  Espcially if you put high gain pickups in... as a generality they tend to bully other parts of the guitar into sounding the way they want, which is kind of cool when you think about it.
And I mean nancy-boy in the nicest possible sense, almost endearingly.  Lighter is nice and all that, but its usually not worth the trade-off for tone.
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« Reply #49 on: 12 Jul 2006, 02:05 »

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1) Wood does suprisingly little.  I have built guitars, I know this for a fact.

You hav'nt read the links I posted, right?

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4) Lets see... Funk, Punk, R&B, Jazz, Soul, Gospel, Rock (and yes, strats can handle hard rock, and regular teles can actually hold their own in metal settings), Pop, Klezmer, Reggae, Ska, Dub, and just about everything else - Fenders can handle it.  I'd say, and I'm sure many would agree, that the Strat is one hell of a versatile guitar.  Then you look at basses.  Shit, a Jazz Bass can handle everything.  No exceptions.  If there's a bass, a jazz will do the trick.

You seriously read nothing? I quoted 13 of the best Bass builders in the world debating about just that.

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I'm not saying that the wood you use doesn't effect it, I was merely trying to say that it doesn't do as much as you'd think

Well, yes. Sound is about 80% player 10% wood and 10% hardware.
Like it or not, if your guitar sounds like crap, its probably you.
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