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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #50 on: 01 Dec 2006, 11:17 »

I don't understand. A bunch of people keep saying, "He's a good artist." What do we have to do?

He writes good music!

He writes good music!

Is it working yet?
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #51 on: 01 Dec 2006, 11:49 »

His music's nothing spectacular. Pretty much everything I've heard of his has been pretty unimaginative acoustic guitar/banjo stuff. Not that I don't like stuff like that, but his voice is really weak and powerless, it just doesn't come off. He ends up sounding like a mouse covering Simon and Garfunkel. I wouldn't say that his music is unlistenable, but it is undistinguished and unoriginal. Occasionally there's a nice progression or a pretty harmony, but there's a hell of a lot better stuff to listen to, folk-wise. Not that I would personally call Sufjan Stevens folk music, but hey.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #52 on: 01 Dec 2006, 16:21 »

You don't like his voice? That's pretty interesting. I find that his voice is exactly how it should be. He manages to convey how sad he feels in his voice alone, and the lyrics are often irrelevant, you can tell exactly how he feels from just listening to his voice like you would a well-played guitar. I do have to admit, though, that without his voice, many of his songs would lose their power, and he would be just another singer-songwriter. But, in my mind, he has the right voice, so I'm happy.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #53 on: 01 Dec 2006, 22:02 »

Take one look at the sort of bands Khar posts for people to listen to and, like me, you'll realize his opinion suddenly seems irrelevant.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #54 on: 01 Dec 2006, 22:09 »

Why? Is the music he listens to somehow inferior to the music you listen to? Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and mine is that if you listen to one genre only, excluding all others then you are missing out on a lot of good music.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #55 on: 01 Dec 2006, 22:19 »

All I ever see Khar post is obscure/underground bands that vaguely fall under the metal genre. You could argue that metal is a broad genre with a lot of variety, and I might agree. But that's beside the point.

When a metal fan describes an indie singer's voice as "weak and powerless" it's hard for me to take them seriously since they're rating singers on a totally different basis than I would.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #56 on: 01 Dec 2006, 22:27 »

See, there you're making an assumption. Khar's fondness for the metal genre doesn't render him incapable of judging other genres. For example, I listen mainly to what many would describe as indie-pop. That does not mean when I listen to a metal band I think that they're bad because their instruments are too loud, or the singer shouts too much for my liking, I accept that those are key traits of the genre, and move on and judge whether they are good at what they are trying to do. You're making the assumption that Khar can't do this, and unless he actually says he's judging Sufjan by metal standards, then I'm going to assume he has the intelligence to distinguish what he likes, and what is good.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #57 on: 02 Dec 2006, 01:22 »

SufjanSuccotash: hey guys thanks for having me for "vinny castilla day", sounds ripe for the kitschin' to me
   
SufjanSuccotash: this song is called "vinny castilla day", off my upcoming album "colorado is colo-radical!" !
   
CastillaBallot: yaaaaay
   
SufjanSuccotash: /strums banjo

oh my gooohhhddddd
   
SufjanSuccotash: oh my gohhh-eee-yohhhd

ooooo-oooooooo-oooooooh
   
SufjanSuccotash: /says "ooooooooh"; rattles tambourine for 8 minutes
   
SufjanSuccotash: /deep breath

denvervailcoloradosprings
broncosrockiesnuggets
rockymountains
glorious STATE! glorious STATE!

/plays triangle with feet

CastillaBallot: is this song even about me
   
SufjanSuccotash: i'm getting to it
   
SufjanSuccotash: /plays ukekele with violin bow

/sings

it was vinny castilla day, the giant man of the rocky mountains, shoulders broad
   
CastillaBallot: oh this is the good part i bet
   
SufjanSuccotash: aaaaaand then my sort-of girlfriend died of cancer and was hit by a train at the same time and everybody cannot find jobs and god is a jerk but i am a christian for irony's sake ooooooooooooooooh
   
CastillaBallot: could you just play "happy birthday" or something
   
SufjanSuccotash: /bangs on snare drum with two didgeridoos
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #58 on: 02 Dec 2006, 02:33 »

Khar actually likes quite a lot of folk music. However, I like a lot of hip-hop but that doesn't mean my taste is faultless.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #59 on: 02 Dec 2006, 03:19 »

This thread makes my head hurt.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #60 on: 02 Dec 2006, 05:59 »

Ok, One I went on youtube and started watching Sufjan videos. I detest the man, pretty much in the same way I detest Ayn Rand. He tries so hard to be "artistic" he just ends up babbling and making no fucking sense at all. (Ayn Rand has PERSONALLY STATED she started writing with the intention of making literature, wtf? who the fuck granted you the right to decide what society as a whole considers literature.) I will say the same thing about Sufjan. He tries to do something that JUST FUCKING HAPPENS NATURALLY. Why do we all know who Godel, Escher and Bach are? is it because of some little known book written about them? or is it because they actually WERE great at what they did? Fuck all this pretentious bullshit, fuck all you gun toting hip gangster wannabies. If he is >good< you won't be around when society deems to grant him the label "Classic" There were HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people that had HUGE followings that no body has heard of today. There are some exceptions to things that are considered "classical" that are in fact shitty...Jane Austen? Oh yeah we've all been forced to read the "great" piece of "literature" that is Emma. Know why that's not "classical" because you can find the same type of writing in today's world published primarially by companies like Harliquin. It's a shoddy titilation romance novel, that stayed around because it's old. Elvis is >not< great, why? well perhaps because he's a fucking theif? (I don't need to support this you all know or should know what I'm talking about here)

Sufjan will remain where he is, an overly wordy idolized pretty boy who is popular because he's good looking and pseudo-intellecutal (sp? I don't care I'm not writing a graded paper here) I can garauntee this to you why? because I have way more intelligence than he does, but I don't shroud myself in an aura of Artistic Mystique because I abhor Artistic Mystique, it's a sham, wake up smell the coffee (not that under roasted shit they serve you at starbucks for $10 a cup, and convince all the yuppies it's great coffee.) Lavatazza Coffee, or one of the small European Cafe's in Heidelberg. ESPECIALLY the one that has Samuel Clemmen's own graffiti on the table. If you want to steep yourself in quality, live in Europe for a year, attend a >REAL< Orchestra performing in building that has remained the same since Bach had the privledge have his music INTRODUCED in. Yeah, he's a >REAL< composer, not that poser of one you call Sufjan.

Folk? Beck's fucking "folk" Bob Dylan's folk Blue Grass is folk Sufjan's somewhere between Def Leppard Covering Ode to Joy and some dirty old hobo on the street corner with a 6 string guitar strung wrong with 2 strings missing and a coughing fit for vocals.

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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #61 on: 02 Dec 2006, 06:08 »

All I ever see Khar post is obscure/underground bands that vaguely fall under the metal genre.

...and goth rock, and darkwave, and ethereal, and prog rock, and industrial, and ebm, and neo-folk, and folk, and folk-rock, and classic rock, and psychobilly, and punk, and experimental, and power electronics, and krautrock, and avant-garde, and new wave, and post-punk, and classical...

I'm not, in fact, judging Sufjan by the standards of metal at all, but by the standards of folk. By which standards he is clearly found wanting: his work is pretentious, over-prettified, lacks any real emotional power or immediacy, is unoriginal (yet claims originality through pretentious instrumentation and lyrics that add nothing to the quality of the music), is socially irrelevant and claims a false 'man of the people' status through the ridiculous '50 states' device.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #62 on: 02 Dec 2006, 06:09 »

Right. So Elvis was a thief because he based his music on those who came before him? OH NOES! Also, people who say "I am more intelligent than X" generally aren't. Thirdly, spelling and punctuation makes things easier to read, so care about them. Hell there is a spell checker on the bloody forums. And finally, you seem to be suggesting that the only people who make music worth listening to is classical music...
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #63 on: 02 Dec 2006, 06:29 »

No, I'm just saying when you say someone is a "great" you  need to be holding them up to someone ALMOST THE ENTIRE WORLD would agree with you when you say they are "great". And my claim to be more intelligent than Sufjan Stevens is like saying I'm smarter than a bleached cow skull, it's not that big of a leap to claim that.  Spelling and punctuation do make things easier to read, I was raised by a math teacher and someone with an english degree. I can write, I can type, hell I can even obfuscate with the best of Sufjan's in accessable works. The problem with me is I actually end up saying something with a point when it's all over, and the silence has claimed the restless dreams of the capable few. Perhaps you all missed the giant neon sign of esoteric references in my previous post. Or perhaps you'd like to go re-read the passage by Elijah written on the tiles at L' Lefant Plaza in D.C.? Or maybe you prefer the pretty words that ring as hollow as the 'o' in God? Wait maybe I am riding this spiral way to far out to the places no one's been before. Pardon me, but the pretentious bullshit some people taut as being great, makes me want to perform the monk flammbe. Or am I refering to things you've never taken the time to actually listen to? Or does it matter if something is inaccessable, so long as it seems greater than it actually is. Just because it makes no sense doesn't mean it's too deep for you to understand, it might just mean it actually doesn't make any sense. I haven't said that Classical is the only music worth listening to, reread my post a few times you might find some hints as to what I listen to. Damn, that's a bit too obvious. Classical can be inaccessable at times, but it still holds a beauty that is hard to match, I don't listen to only classical. Just like I don't just eat 70% cacao chocolate, sometimes it's nice to have something that is as rich, but not as complex. BUT I do not hold Hershey's to the comparison of Lindt.

Did I obfuscate too much? Or should I through in more obscure references to hide what I actually want to say?  Even if I did, you would still understand my words even if you don't get the references, Sufjan doesn't do this, he obfuscates and clouds his words to the extent that there IS no content, just words that can be sung strung together in ways that vaguely resemble sentences, though Subject Verbs and Predicates are few and far between, and when they exsist they make NO SENSE when put together. Intricacies excrete like human bile. Wasted unwanted, unflinching smiles. Darkness forboding wandering vastly, nothing connects to the futures passed. Anyone with English Comp (university level) can do the shit Sufjan does, doesn't make him original.

Oh, and elvis wasn't a thief because he based his music off of the forefathers to his genre, he's a thief because he STOLE ALL HIS MUSIC FROM PEOPLE WHO YOU HAVEN'T HEARD OF. Elvis was unoriginal, uncreative (except for his dancing) he was just a white face put on the music made by people the record companies didn't want to pay because they were BLACK. ELVIS WAS PRE-CIVIL RIGHTS, ASSHOLE. Don't ever fucking forget that fact either.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #64 on: 02 Dec 2006, 06:35 »

Oh, and elvis wasn't a thief because he based his music off of the forefathers to his genre, he's a thief because he STOLE ALL HIS MUSIC FROM PEOPLE WHO YOU HAVEN'T HEARD OF. Elvis was unoriginal, uncreative (except for his dancing) he was just a white face put on the music made by people the record companies didn't want to pay because they were BLACK. ELVIS WAS PRE-CIVIL RIGHTS, ASSHOLE. Don't ever fucking forget that fact either.

Doesn't make his music any less fantastic.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #65 on: 02 Dec 2006, 06:36 »

I'm just in a pissy mood, I calm down greatly when I get a beer in me, and a half a pack of Camel's. In all honesty I just got very pissed off at Stevens because I spent the time to search him under youtube, find videos that weren't just covers and listen to 3 of them before I realized the shitdripping cocksucker hadn't said a damn thing, and I'd just wasted 10 to 15 minutes of my first weekend in 4 months.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #66 on: 02 Dec 2006, 06:38 »

LOOK AT ME I CAN USE WORDS BLAHBLAHFUCKINGBLAH
I think it's especially ironic the way that you are being wilfully pretentious when you hate Sufjan for doing the same thing (and yes, I get why you are doing it, doesn't make it any less ironic or idiotic).

Also, how exactly did Elvis steal music? Did he play the songs of others and not pay them royalties?
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #67 on: 02 Dec 2006, 06:43 »

Yes. Almost all of his best known and loved songs are written and performed originally by black musicians that few people have heard of.

Ironic, yes, idiotic no, It's a little know literary tactic called Satire, or Lampoon. gg nore me gosu you hasu. 1 deage ftw, don't mock the glock it owned you.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #68 on: 02 Dec 2006, 06:46 »

Is that thing about Elvis true? Care to provide some evidence?

The thing about satire is that it is meant to be funny.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #69 on: 02 Dec 2006, 06:49 »

Unfortunately I am euros, and they are nowhere near as strong...
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #70 on: 02 Dec 2006, 06:58 »

Damn, I might have to set up a paypal account. $50 to never post in a topic you start, $150 to never post in a topic you started. $1,000 (or eVga 7950 and Killer NIC for me never to even browse these forums again.)
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #71 on: 02 Dec 2006, 07:02 »

LOOK AT ME TYPE WITH MY DICK AND SPOUT A BUNCH OF STUPID CRAP

Please go away. I'm begging you.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #72 on: 02 Dec 2006, 07:04 »

You want a $250 NETWORK CARD? Dear sweet mother of god... Also, explain this:
$50 to never post in a topic you start, $150 to never post in a topic you started.
What the hell does this mean?
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #73 on: 02 Dec 2006, 07:07 »

...I say he should be banned right away if he did that.

Not that refraining for that would help matters.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #74 on: 02 Dec 2006, 07:21 »

Not to mention that Camelpimp and ScrambledGregs are both pretty new as well and should not really be spouting about who they want banned because it is just not cricket.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #75 on: 02 Dec 2006, 07:26 »

He's only posted two pretty ridiculous posts.
That's not exacly evil incarnate.

Treat the new guy right kids.

Minor riduclous posts are a GATEWAY drug. Soon he'll be making... lots of ridiculous posts! The horror.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #76 on: 02 Dec 2006, 07:30 »

*sniff* I'm always too late to save anyone.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #77 on: 02 Dec 2006, 07:31 »

Maybe they want him not to post drugs on the forum?

MAN IMAGINE IF YOU COULD DO THAT.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #78 on: 02 Dec 2006, 07:32 »

What does that mean? for $50 american you can have me not say anything on a thread you started. For $150 you can more or less limit my contributions to threads I started, and for $1k or those two computer componants you can have me delete this account and never show myself around here at all (even on an alt accound, of which I have none btw). The Componants are a discount, because it would save me the trouble of ordering them. So for $550 you can have me dissappear by having those items shipped to my house. Delivery of said items would be answered by a "I'm perminantly gone" thread and deletion of my account.  And the $250 nic card is awsome because it circumvents the inefficient windows network stack with the much more efficient stack of Linux, all nicely hardwired into a chip with it's own processor. It's just fucking pimp, not to mention the chrome K would look great when viewed through the window in my comp, basking in the sterile goodness that is my UV cold cathode setup. The eVGA 7950 GT would complete my SLI set up, leaving me with just HDD's and A 2gig ram kit w/ alu ram coolers to complete my system. Oh, well, After I finish the internals I plan on upgrading to a Hanis 19" widescreen 5ms response LCD monitor. An extra 5 degree's on my FOV would do alot for my situational awareness in matches.

And yes, it's too late to keep me from ingesting drugs for the sake of recreational intoxication. I already smoke after all, and I'm a proponent to the use of Dextromethorphan as an exploratory chemical. Not to mention I consume in excess of 500mg of Diphenhydrimide HCl to aid in my insomnia, every night. That tends to result in a mild muddling of my motor functions as well as periphrial visual hallucinations, but I can actually sleep. I also believe that my consumption of mass quantities of phsyche changing toxins daily also is what keeps me immune to the flu and other various disease related inconvieniences, I can still succumb to stomach viruses, but those have a duration of maybe 48 to 72 hours so I think I'd survive most of those.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #79 on: 02 Dec 2006, 07:37 »

*sniff*

Woah! Slow down Cowgirl!
Are you sure he's the one with the problem?!

IT'S MEDICATION.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #80 on: 02 Dec 2006, 07:39 »

Black then white are all I see in my infancy.
red and yellow then came to be, reaching out to me.
lets me see.
As below, so above and beyond, I imagine
drawn beyond the lines of reason.
Push the envelope. Watch it bend.

Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must
Feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines.

Black then white are all I see in my infancy.
red and yellow then came to be, reaching out to me.
lets me see there is so much more
and beckons me to look through to these infinite possibilities.
As below, so above and beyond, I imagine
drawn outside the lines of reason.
Push the envelope. Watch it bend.

Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
Withering my intuition leaving all these opportunities behind.

Feed my will to feel this moment urging me to cross the line.
Reaching out to embrace the random.
Reaching out to embrace whatever may come.

I embrace my desire to
feel the rhythm, to feel connected
enough to step aside and weep like a widow
to feel inspired, to fathom the power,
to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain,
to swing on the spiral
of our divinity and still be a human.

With my feet upon the ground I lose myself
between the sounds and open wide to suck it in,
I feel it move across my skin.
I'm reaching up and reaching out,
I'm reaching for the random or what ever will bewilder me.
And following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been.
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.

Spiral out. Keep going, going...

Qabala?

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« Reply #81 on: 02 Dec 2006, 07:54 »

I got that, and you should get the reference to it in the lyrics I posted. You above all seem to be able to see past my obfuscations and vague twisted references. The Eye of Providence has roots in the Qabala, just like the old testament. Pre-Hebrew Judaism (sp?) or Hebrew Mythology is the basis for alot of Christian philosophy, but apart from it on a whole. There is more to everything than meets the eye. Pun intended. Just like the eye on the reverse of the Dollar is traced to Masonic origins, it can also be seen to represent the American support of Isreal before modern Isreal exsisted. There is too much to go through in a single post, you could take a historical view of this, or as I prefer a Sociological twist on Psychohistory. Signs of things to come are often unintentionally shown before they actually happen. One could even suggest that predestination is a fact and Free will is just an extension of this. No these concepts do not contradict. I can explain but I don't want to bore you or lose the good natured jesting in this post.

Oh, and I am serious about going away for computer components. I will buy them myself eventually, but instant gratification is somewhat rewarding.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #82 on: 02 Dec 2006, 09:13 »

What the shit, I quoted the Dugout and no one even paid attention. =(
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #83 on: 02 Dec 2006, 10:01 »

Hey, I couldn't see the first time these guy quoted Tool lyrics.

It would seem that Tommy is strangely conversant with Tool lyrics.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #84 on: 02 Dec 2006, 12:23 »

Guys, I think the problem here is that he is posting Tool lyrics.

The hypocrisy of a Tool fan calling Sufjan Stevens pretentious is staggering, and I don't even like Stevens.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #85 on: 02 Dec 2006, 16:17 »

Well, tool is understandable, you can glean meaning from their songs, Sufjan isn't just pretentious he's also unitelligable. This makes him a Pretentious Idiot, which is infinitly worse than a Pretentious Genius. Mozart was pretentious, does that make him a horrible musician. Now, if all he did was bang on a piano with no sense of order, and was still pretentious then he would be irrevokably banned from my playlist.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #86 on: 02 Dec 2006, 17:31 »

Guys, I think the problem here is that he is posting Tool lyrics.
Seconded.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #87 on: 02 Dec 2006, 17:53 »

So, Firestarter, what you are saying is that you dislike Sufjan Stevens?

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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #88 on: 02 Dec 2006, 20:10 »

Why am I am not seeing any youtubed videos of people typing with their dongs?

If I have to go out and buy a video camera and potentially damage my dick just to keep this thread on topic, I am going to be very cross.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #89 on: 02 Dec 2006, 20:44 »

After reading FireStarter's first couple of posts in here, I'd think you'd rather slap your dick against a chunk of plastic.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #90 on: 02 Dec 2006, 21:34 »

Well, tool is understandable, you can glean meaning from their songs, Sufjan isn't just pretentious he's also unitelligable.

This says it all, I think. I can make sense of Sufjan's songs without hardly trying, whereas Tool is either just metaphysical/philosophical bullshit or crap like 'Hooker With A Penis', surely one of the most hilariously awful songs of all time.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #91 on: 03 Dec 2006, 00:36 »

Their lyrics are shit, but I like some of their dynamics and technical work.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #92 on: 03 Dec 2006, 02:20 »

From what I've heard of Tool, I think they could do with including a melody or two in their songs.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #93 on: 03 Dec 2006, 04:51 »

All I've heard about Tool comes from the Something Awful column Your Band Sucks.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #94 on: 03 Dec 2006, 05:44 »

I heard his parents named him after a heated scrabble argument. Its true.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #95 on: 03 Dec 2006, 07:28 »

I lived with the biggest Tool fan in the world for two years while at Uni.
There's something about the really hardcore Tool fans. Like they always consider them to be somehow 'above' music. Their music just sounds like a metallic edged version of King Crimson to me and I don't get why they are so revered. I assume most of them grow out of it but I'm not so sure.

Funnily enough, Tool opened for King Crimson back in the early 00's. Or maybe King Crimson opened for Tool. Either way, yuck.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #96 on: 03 Dec 2006, 08:12 »

One, I'm not a "fanatical" fan of anything, execpt Counter-Strike: Source, maybe Jethro Tull.....eh, yet again I digress. I'll cover what I see in Tool first, then how Sufjan could make himself more likable to me.  My introduction to Tool whilst I was living at ASMS (google you'll find something it's a highschool if that helps any) I used to put my roomate's Aenima CD in while I fell asleep at night, don't ask me why...I just did ok? Then years later I came across the Lateralus album, which I purchased because I had heard some of the songs around. (shush, I download now, so stfu) And what really hooked my was the intro to the song Lateralus. While I was a child, and my father was pursuing a degree in Mathematics, he took a class based on a little known book called Goedel, Escher, Bach. WITH IT, came a cd that included some Bach Tracks, and an interesting little composition based around the Fibinacci sequence. I loved that composition, it was intricate beautiful, and very very "meditative" anyways, the intro to Lateralus is a metal rendition of that concept. So, I saw that Tool was a bit more than just a hardcore metal band screaming angst and anger. There was ALOT of intelligence and talent behind their music, and I came to respect them.

And now how Sufjan could make me listen to his music. Oddly enough it would be him becoming yet MORE pretentious than he already is. He would have to translate all his lyrics into Elvish (tolkein elvish) and Accompany himself on a Zither, whilst the entire percussion section of the Boston Pops backed him up.  I think I could dig his voice meandering around elvish lyrics while some classically inspired percussion is played behind a Zither. That would be >AWSOME<
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #97 on: 03 Dec 2006, 10:34 »

This thread is really terrible. Like worse than the wookiee sex thread.
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Re: Anyone here dislike Sufjan Stevens?
« Reply #98 on: 03 Dec 2006, 10:47 »

Tommy's "magic eye" theory is pretty good. That last post has a dolphin jumping over a yeti.
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