i feel like i'm going to be slaughtered (verbally, hopefully not literally) for this, but i really can't stand deerhoof. i've tried, i honestly have. i've listened to milkman 3 or 4 times. i've listened to the runners four several times as well. and each time i go in telling myself, "this time i'll get it" and i never do. and it's not like i don't like the genre, or don't like bands with odd vocalists, or just don't understand some hidden subtltie, i just don't like their music. i think i'm a definite exception when it comes to this.