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Games with terrible endings
pilsner:
I have mixed feelings about Balder's Gate 2 (plain vanilla version, never played with the add-ons or expansions or whatever so can't comment). On the one hand, I thought the part where you get to sleep with one of your party members who is then kidnapped was kind of cool and novel (I thought it was kind of funny that you could the opportunity to screw around in NWII with no adverse consequences), on the other, the final boss fight was the least imaginative imaginable. Your adversary turns into multiple demons and you fight him in hell. Woopty-fucking-do. The whole demon in hell thing is so done -- Wizards of the Coast take note! Give us a super-intelligent Tarrasque with an inferiority complex and psionic abilities, or a fallen angelic being with epic level monk attacks or something, but not more devils in hell. It is nearly inconceivable that a game that ends fighting demons in hell could have an interesting or ingenious ending.
KvP:
The expansion, Throne of Bhaal (which I mentioned in the "good endings" thread), being an epic-level expansion, is all about combat. I'd have to say that in general, BG2 is much more enjoyable with ToB tacked on at the end, with a few community tweaks and some restored content. It's probably my favorite game ever in that condition, actually.
As for romances in D&D games, eh. The NWN2 developers (at least the ones that I talked to) generally hate writing and implementing them, and that, along with generous portions of axed content due to staff shake-ups, made party interactions and romance in NWN2 pretty stupid. It's hard to tell who exactly wants romances in the games, since the "hardcore" gamers usually roll their eyes at them and the devs don't like them all that much. But there was a stupid amount of work done in the BG2 community towards custom romantic NPCs, so I guess it's got some support. Romance in BG2 was really more of the PC treating their love interest's Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.
The murder of the female companion at the beginning of NWN2 was actually a joke at Bioware's expense regarding the beginning of BG2.
pilsner:
If you know where I could get or modify BG2 in the condition you describe, I wouldn't mind playing it through again.
As for in-game NPC romances, I've always been a fan when they're handled convincingly as part of the developing plot, and given the player's option of replacing all party members with player generated characters, the so-called hardcore members have a work-around to the whole "talk to the wingless sky elf about her feelings" bit. If you're an Oots reader you've got to be wondering what it is about these winged ladies that captures the imagination of developers the world over.
I definitely agreed that if you're going to include romance in your RPG you better make sure that the plot is well-written and well realized. The half assed attitude in NWN2 was just humorous.
KvP:
--- Quote from: pilsner on 04 Sep 2007, 23:06 ---If you know where I could get or modify BG2 in the condition you describe, I wouldn't mind playing it through again.
As for in-game NPC romances, I've always been a fan when they're handled convincingly as part of the developing plot, and given the player's option of replacing all party members with player generated characters, the so-called hardcore members have a work-around to the whole "talk to the wingless sky elf about her feelings" bit. If you're an Oots reader you've got to be wondering what it is about these winged ladies that captures the imagination of developers the world over.
I definitely agreed that if you're going to include romance in your RPG you better make sure that the plot is well-written and well realized. The half assed attitude in NWN2 was just humorous.
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Torrent ToB, then
Ascension
Unfinished Business
Banter Pack
Dungeon-B-Gone (allows direct bypass of Irenicus' dungeon)
installed in that order. There are some CNPC mods out there too, but the vast majority of them are remarkably amateur. Fade and Kelsey are the best, but that ain't saying much. There are more mods out there, but those few allow for the best (balanced) gameplay possible.
Anyway, getting back on topic. Half-Life 2. That shit was wack. Ep 1 was pretty good, though.
Storm Rider:
Why would you want to bypass Irenicus's dungeon? I mean, it's been years since I played BG2, but is there any particular reason to skip it?
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