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Johnny C:
Buy local, kids.

That's the best way to do it.

Jackie Blue:

--- Quote from: ampersandwitch on 14 Jan 2008, 23:48 ---I find dismissive ad hominem arguments to be infantile and irritating.

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a pack of wolves:

--- Quote from: Kid van Pervert on 14 Jan 2008, 23:48 ---While it's true that there's no real sort of regulation or standardization for organic products, and the "organic" label is thrown around more as a means of justifying higher prices than anything else, there have to be ways to research a company's policy in regard to its treatment of its animals. The relevant question would be, if it were the case that if you were to come across humanely acquired products, would you feel justified in consuming them? If not, there have to be other premises to the vegan argument needed to justify it.

We're sort of getting off-topic in that the context of discussion is no longer centered on Earth Crisis, but it's kind of sort of addressing the merits of Earth Crisis' cause.

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You aren't really, you're talking about veganism in general when Earth Crisis were a hardline band and conflating veganism as a whole with a really narrow offshoot of sXe is way off the mark. Philosophically Earth Crisis et al have a completely different standpoint to a lot of other people who happen to also call themselves vegan. In any case, Good Clean Fun (who're vegan) did a funnier job of attacking hardline years ago with In Defense Of All Life:

Peaceful protest doesn't get the job done
So I wake up for the rally grab my soy milk and my gun
Breakfast with the family get the grub to see what`s up
Then I saw my sister had milk in her cup
I jumped out of my chair and sprayed her with my mace
I yelled 'vegan power' and I kicked her in the face
Dad was bugging, he started to run
But he`s a meat eater so I pulled out my gun
Shot him in the back, then I shot his wife
That`s how it`s got to be in defense of all life

Then again, going after hardliners is very much like shooting fish in a barrel. For context, the song's largely ripping the piss out of No One Is Innocent by the infamous Vegan Reich (entertainingly enough, one of the guys who drummed for this band is now in Fall Out Boy):

No one is innocent we all commit crimes, if you're not guilty in their eyes, you're guilty in mine. There are only two sides and a line that divides, if you stand in the middle you're not on my side. No such thing as an innocent passerby you're the enemy if you turn a blind eye. Not taking a stand while others die complicity your crime you will be tried. To bad if that's cold there's not time to be nice ain't playing a game it's a war which we fight. In defense of earth's future and all forms of life, against those in the way all is justified. And for what I believe I'm willing to die to free those enslaved I'll take a life. Won't shed a tear, I know I am right, and if I am caught, I'll pay the price… cos there's no excuse for letting things slide, in the actions of others or in your own life. If you don't stand firm on the side of right you're nothing but a waste of life so you'd better choose a fucking side and not be sitting in the middle when the bullets start to fly. If you don't make a choice it could mean your life for if you're not on my side you're a target in my eyes.

KharBevNor:
Guys this is the music forum.

ALoveSupreme:

--- Quote from: zerodrone on 14 Jan 2008, 22:08 ---
You just answered your own question right there, hoss.  Vegetarians and vegans seem, on the whole, to be far more likely to unquestioningly accept any and all information about nutrition that is fed to them (pun intended) when the fact is, we actually know very very little for certain about nutrition and can't explain why some people can eat nothing but white rice their entire life and live to be 100 and in perfect physical shape despite the fact that they aren't getting any substantial amounts of vitamins or amino acids, nor why some people can eat steak two times a day (thrice on Sunday) and likewise live to be 100 and in perfect physical shape.


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My own statement didn't really answer my question, though, regarding a majority's stance of anti-veganism.  And I've yet to read anything that answers it other than most people seem to have a neanderthalic or, perhaps far worse even, biblical stance on consumption and that if it's there and we can, than we should eat it.  I'm hardly vegan, nor am I even vegetarian.  I have, however, pretty much cut meat out of my life entirely and honestly eat healthier and feel healthier than I ever have in the 15+ years that I have pretty much been able to make my own choices regarding what I put in my body.

PS, the Fall Out Boy drummer/Vegan Reich member apparently used to (or still does) subscribe to a theory of hardline veganism that basically condemns all modern society and believes that we should live in the woods with barely any shelter.  To make the whole thing even more ridiculous, he still sells the TShirts that bare this ethos' namesake and wears them during Fall Out Boy photoshoots.  Talk about shooting fish in a barrel.

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