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The most hilarious thing I have ever read in relation to Joss Whedon
jimbunny:
That's cool; it's just that comments lightly made towards gender issues tend, I feel, to expose ingrained ways of thinking in society that are actually much more fundamental - and MUCH harder to root out, because they're not based on any individual's stated beliefs.
Jimmy the Squid:
No I totally get that. The problem is I usually don't come into the movies forum with my "critical thinking about sociology" hat on. I usually just have my "Hey, I liked Mortal Kombat/AVP1&2/Hulk" hat on. This is usually the kind of thing I have to sit and think about for a few minutes before I can formulate a rational response and that's hard for me to do if I'm sitting here in my Mr Grumpy underpants.
idiolect:
--- Quote from: jimbunny on 28 Mar 2008, 20:44 ---MUCH harder to root out, because they're not based on any individual's stated beliefs.
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Wow, yes, that.
Nodaisho:
--- Quote from: zerodrone on 28 Mar 2008, 03:34 ---Sally Shears/Molly Millions from Gibson's early work. That girl did not take shit from anybody and she would (quite literally) cut you if you tried anything wise on her.
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The livejournaling lunatic would disagree, since Molly was a prostitute for the money for her surgeries. I would ask her if she would be willing to tell a real life Molly that she was a horrible person for betraying womankind, but I doubt she would approve that comment.
Inlander:
Reading the criticism of the "duct tape her mouth and throw her in the hold" scene in that blog post, it strikes me that the scene could only be deemed as woman-hating if you're of the opinion that a person's gender is the single most important defining characteristic of that person. (Of course, it seems likely that the writer of the blog probably does feel that way, at least when it comes to women). It's very easy to view that scene as an example of suggested violence against a woman, and to be appalled by it because of that - but such a response necessitates a specific reading of the scene which I think is flawed. The writer of the blog has read the scene as "Don't you want to duct tape that woman's mouth and throw that woman in the hold", whereas I think the correct reading is "Don't you want to duct tape that individual's mouth and throw that individual in the hold." By which I mean, Mals' comment wasn't directed against Kaylee's womanhood, but rather against her personality. As I've said on this forum before, I find the notion that you can reduce 6 billion + people into two clearly distinct types, "man" and "woman", highly dubious. Any direct interaction with any specific person must surely rely first and foremost on his or her personality rather than his or her gender (indeed, to generalise about somebody because of his or her gender, whether you're trying to be positive about it or not, is in a way to reduce them, because it implies that they are merely the product of a single biological circumstance and essentially indistinguishable from billions of others, rather than a complex and unique individual). Of course with this interpretation it's still possible to take offence to the scene under discussion on the grounds that it suggests rather extreme violence against a fellow human, but as was pointed out earlier, I don't think Mal's comment is meant to be taken literally but rather as good-natured joshing between crew-mates.
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