Topic: World of Warcraft (Read 694529 times)

KvP · « **Reply #2300 on:** 01 Jul 2010, 16:16 »

Blizz sez Wow could go F2P next MMO time.

Cire27 · « **Reply #2301 on:** 01 Jul 2010, 18:54 »

That's great because f2p games are always so fun and have absolutely no problems.

Lines · « **Reply #2302 on:** 01 Jul 2010, 19:18 »

It's about time!

clockworkjames · « **Reply #2303 on:** 02 Jul 2010, 07:35 »

"could possibly" two very vague words. I hope it still stays subscription based, micro transactions are not so awesome when all they do is milk them and bring out new content because they don't need to bother now that it is free.

Dazed · « **Reply #2304 on:** 02 Jul 2010, 11:40 »

So man wow RS is a joke.

Alex C · « **Reply #2305 on:** 02 Jul 2010, 11:55 »

Yeah, the trash was tougher than the boss, which is pretty sad since we didn't really have trouble with the trash.3 of the healers we took were trials though and we didn't have our usual main tanks with us that night, so we wiped once when we overestimated just how many mobs a given 2nd string tank could handle. A hibernate and a 3rd tank fixed that though no problem.

Dazed · « **Reply #2306 on:** 02 Jul 2010, 12:00 »

Yeah I felt like the minibosses were tougher than Halion. The first one could gib a tank if every hit during the blade frenzy or whatever connects and a healer or two spaces out, and the stacking armor debuff on the last one seriously blows. I was taking 40k hits in 10 man at 100% less armor mark, that sucked.

Alex C · « **Reply #2307 on:** 02 Jul 2010, 12:21 »

I will say one thing though: I hate dragonkin. On our first pull, I jumped in and attacked pretty early with Tricks and a Killing Spree, which puts you directly behind the mob's most central point. So our tank (who's a 3rd stringer under most circumstances) does a twitchy half step as the KS ends, but of course the damn mob's response was to do the Big Hit Box Shuffle, in which case it turned and scooted away from the tank a half step before turning back around and cleaving the shit out of me in the space of roughly half a second as I'm about to start moving back towards max melee range, as dictated by Murphy's Law. It'd bother me less, but I'm dumb and this needs to happen pretty much every time a new dragon lair is released before I remember why I hate dragonkin and start waiting a half beat to make sure any unfamiliar tanks don't have happy feet.

clockworkjames · « **Reply #2308 on:** 03 Jul 2010, 05:30 »

They still have not fixed mob positioning since 3.3.2 for fucks sake.

Alex C · « **Reply #2309 on:** 03 Jul 2010, 06:58 »

Yeah. Still, it's my own damn fault, really. You think after 5 years of getting cleaved I'd pick up on this.

Lines · « **Reply #2310 on:** 03 Jul 2010, 22:52 »

Considering I have never really played on a regular basis with a non-resto shaman, do enhancement shaman typically out-dps the usual top dps classes? (Mages, locks, etc.) Because holy crap does my shaman do a lot of damage. I haven't run with any rogues or other melee dps classes with my shaman yet (other than really bad cat druids*), so this is new to me.

*One in particular was ragging on a retadin (who was actually doing a good job) about what gear he had instead of fighting, so we all told the druid to just shut up and fight. They finally did, but instead of staying in cat form, they started casting but then ran up and just started hitting targets with their staff. Then they just stopped casting all together and just kept hitting things with they're staff. I had to have a few words with this person on how to properly play a druid, because that was all kinds of stupid to say shit about another player while not even playing their own character right.

Alex C · « **Reply #2311 on:** 03 Jul 2010, 23:43 »

You have a lowbie shaman, right? Enhancement shaman are solid contributors, but they shouldn't be top dps at 80. Before then it's basically up for grabs though and will depend on the level range you're talking about and the player and gear more than anything else, particularly since heirloom weapons are so good. For example, in a situation where everyone's geared and tearing through things left and right I'd definitely take a lowbie warrior with glyphed cleave over a rogue, since we don't really have much AoE prior to 80. Some classes were simply designed more in mind for single target sustained dps back in the vanilla level ranges, so it doesn't always work so hot now that people just pull everything and tear through. Ultimately it's just leveling and everyone get the job done, so no biggie.

Dazed · « **Reply #2312 on:** 04 Jul 2010, 00:02 »

Yeah they definitely don't outdps actual dpsers at 80, but whilst leveling enh shamans can crush just about anything.

Lines · « **Reply #2313 on:** 04 Jul 2010, 06:30 »

Ok, that's what I was thinking, but I'm ok with that because it makes leveling go so much faster. Hopefully soon I'll be level 40 and will get chainmail and shortly after that get dual wielding and crush even more things.

clockworkjames · « **Reply #2314 on:** 04 Jul 2010, 07:26 »

Hybrid tax in raids, they boost raid dps but never top dps. Althought their personal dps is not anything special, they benefit the raid for haste & bl & totemz.

Cire27 · « **Reply #2315 on:** 04 Jul 2010, 22:27 »

Had my first chance at raid tanking tonight! It went pretty well! The guild is taking me into ICC10 tomorrow and it should be pretty fun.

Lines · « **Reply #2316 on:** 05 Jul 2010, 06:03 »

I don't know if people are better players than they used to be or they made classic dungeons easier, but we lost our tank about a third of the way through and since we didn't really want to wait around for who knows how long, I tanked with the warlock's pet and other than having to stop every now and then to get my mana back up, it went really well with just four of us. No one died, the pet and I kept the aggro off the squishies (the others were all cloth classes), and we went at a decent pace. But then luckily we got a tank for the last boss, which was right when a piece of my armor broke because I'd forgotten to repair before I started doing randoms. Oops.

Also I wish I would stop getting different versions of the same necklace, gloves, and shoulders. Only one of the shoulders has been leather, the rest are all mail (which I can't use yet!) and I'd like blues for other places.

Cire27 · « **Reply #2317 on:** 05 Jul 2010, 07:05 »

From the bags? You only get certain slots at certain level ranges. Here's a table from wowwwiki:

[Satchel of Helpful Goods (level 25)] Back / Waist
[Satchel of Helpful Goods (level 35)] Neck / Hands
[Satchel of Helpful Goods (level 45)] Shoulder / Finger
[Satchel of Helpful Goods (level 55)] Wrist / Feet
[Satchel of Helpful Goods (level 60)] Back / Waist
[Satchel of Helpful Goods (level 64)] Neck / Hands
[Satchel of Helpful Goods (level 70)] Shoulder / Finger

Lines · « **Reply #2318 on:** 05 Jul 2010, 10:36 »

Ah ok, that explains it then.

Alex C · « **Reply #2319 on:** 05 Jul 2010, 12:09 »

Quote from: Linds on 05 Jul 2010, 06:03

I don't know if people are better players than they used to be or they made classic dungeons easier, but we lost our tank about a third of the way through and since we didn't really want to wait around for who knows how long.

I think a huge part of it is the gear overhauls and the fact that more specs actually work as advertised now. Contributing as a hybrid was an uphill battle if you didn't go heals, after all.

Dazed · « **Reply #2320 on:** 05 Jul 2010, 12:14 »

Heirloom gear+new talents and classes actually getting useful spells early on/general class overhaul+nerfed instances = Cakewalk dungeons.

Granted, every now and then people are still bad enough to make it hard, but there's no accounting for that much human error.

Alex C · « **Reply #2321 on:** 05 Jul 2010, 20:38 »

You know, if I could just get the lootship offhand to drop and the Halion trinket, I'd be pretty satisfied with my gear.

Yakob · « **Reply #2322 on:** 05 Jul 2010, 20:46 »

Well you're much better off than I am

Barmymoo · « **Reply #2323 on:** 06 Jul 2010, 04:16 »

Is this game as complex as it seems? I read this thread all the time and have no idea what's going on. If someone like me, who doesn't play games at all except for Urban Dead occasionally, were to start playing, would it be easy to figure out what to do?

jmrz · « **Reply #2324 on:** 06 Jul 2010, 05:40 »

Yeah, I started playing about two years ago and had absolutely no idea what I was doing. You have 80 levels to figure this shit out and there is plenty of well explained information around on the web. It is a bit of a learning curve, but once you get the hang of things it all starts to click into place.

Lines · « **Reply #2325 on:** 06 Jul 2010, 05:56 »

It is rather easy to start out, but I think it's easier/more fun if you start out with people who already know what they're doing. Even if they aren't actually playing with you, but are around to answer questions. If not, wowwiki, wowhead, and thottbot are very useful sites to help get you rolling.

BeoPuppy · « **Reply #2326 on:** 06 Jul 2010, 10:55 »

I always have the impression that there are two games called WoW out there. One for people who enjoy a good spreadsheet and a nice game and one for people who enjoy stories and a nice game. And it's sort of up to the player which game (or which mixture of the two) he/she wants to play.

Just start. And figure out which elements you enjoy. It's an easy game to get into.

Barmymoo · « **Reply #2327 on:** 06 Jul 2010, 14:45 »

Oh no, I am not going to start playing! I was just intrigued.

If I start playing I will fail my exams next year.

Cire27 · « **Reply #2328 on:** 06 Jul 2010, 21:07 »

Really? Wiping on Marrowgar? Come on.

Dazed · « **Reply #2329 on:** 06 Jul 2010, 22:01 »

It happens.

Wait, nvm 25% buff.

Alex C · « **Reply #2330 on:** 06 Jul 2010, 22:21 »

Fuckin' lootship just won't drop my damned axe or chestpiece.

jmrz · « **Reply #2331 on:** 07 Jul 2010, 00:08 »

Got my new neck piece, got outbid on the BiS offhand for casters fffffffff.

Lines · « **Reply #2332 on:** 07 Jul 2010, 05:46 »

I found the worst healer ever last night. He (priest) burned through mana because he kept spamming his one AoE, the tank died once and then had to heal himself and I healed him a few times, he'd run away early in a fight and come back having pulled mobs, and he kept on doing this even after we told him to stop. Well, he stopped doing as much dps after I told him a healer should not be #2 on my damage chart, but he'd still randomly run away and still managed to out dps a warrior. I left soon after the tank, but luckily I got a jewelcrafting recipe before I did.

Did the same dungeon about half an hour later with almost the same group build (rogue instead of a warrior) and it was so much better and I leveled up. 2 more levels and I get mail, dual wield, and a faster mount, woot.

BeoPuppy · « **Reply #2333 on:** 07 Jul 2010, 06:10 »

Ugh. I hate it when people refuse to play their chosen role in a dungeon. Been in dungeons where the 'tank' simply refused to tank but did pull mobs for others to tank.

Lines · « **Reply #2334 on:** 07 Jul 2010, 15:24 »

That's why I don't select healing on my shaman for randoms. I can heal and I'm sure I could heal ok if I had enough mana breaks, but I don't want to do it, therefore I don't select it. I don't care about the wait. If I care, I go heal on my druid.

Lines · « **Reply #2335 on:** 13 Jul 2010, 06:10 »

Level 40! Epic mount, mail, lots of new spells... Also I still have some gold left over from my hack, so I went ahead and dual spec'd resto. I don't plan on healing much for now, but later on it will be really useful and the friend in my guild who's healing currently is a shadow priest, so it might be a good thing to have it if he sticks with shadow and doesn't double spec as holy or disc later on when we're all the same level and doing things together. And I've got a few random pieces of gear that can be used for healing now if I decide I want to.

clockworkjames · « **Reply #2336 on:** 13 Jul 2010, 09:27 »

shaman+spriest+mage=GTFO.

Lines · « **Reply #2337 on:** 13 Jul 2010, 19:02 »

Currently, my grouping for random dungeons that I do with my friends currently is warrior+shaman+mage+priest+random person. We clear things really fast.

Dazed · « **Reply #2338 on:** 13 Jul 2010, 21:40 »

Quote from: clockworkjames on 13 Jul 2010, 09:27

shaman+spriest+mage=GTFO.

What comp were you running, if I may ask?

clockworkjames · « **Reply #2339 on:** 14 Jul 2010, 02:19 »

I was wld on atr, play warr/druid on live since the lock we had was unreliable to be on at all and not dc (mt in my guild's lock) and starting tsg with 2 guys from my guild (dk just got smourne) but we raiding 5 hours a night 3-4 days a week and after it nobody can be fucked to do any games.

So yeh my hate for bloodlusted spriests chasing ME round pillars (now I get why they like doing it) dotting me up then kiting comes from atr/being a warrior. If I see bloodlust over a caster icon I generally have a 45sec close relationship with the nearest LoS before I /train the priest or whatever. If it's RoV I go offensive and pray. Humans with hc muradins and dfo piss me off manz, the latter is not even fantastic for pvp but still it's obscene.

You ask the question as if you think wizards are balanced and you don't think haste is a bigger mistake than arp.

And for what it's worth, on atr I ran str/crit with about 1250 res, no arp and the only pve gear was polar bear bracers, frost badge belt and hc deaths verdict. Duelling shadows edge pve heroes with 850 res was a laugh and I honestly would do it on live if I had/could roll on hc DV or hc WFS but no, softcap and nes

Dazed · « **Reply #2340 on:** 14 Jul 2010, 02:51 »

Quote from: clockworkjames on 14 Jul 2010, 02:19

You ask the question as if you think wizards are balanced and you don't think haste is a bigger mistake than arp.

I asked the question because I was going to help you with strategies. I actually play both a warrior and ele/resto shaman between 2400-2500 in 3s, and I played shatterplay to 2536 this season. If you can elaborate on specific problems, I can probably help you with solutions.

If you're running TSG and run into shatterplay, split dps with the DK shutting down the mage and you on the spriest. The mage should easily be forced defensive from the pressure of a 'mourne dk, even with lust up, and warriors can tear a spriest apart if the mage has to focus on peeling for himself rather than for his partners. Have your dk focus grip/MF/gnaw/strangulate the rshaman, if he gets a good grip and manages to spread diseases, you can also pretty much global the shaman when he gets below 75% with a grip into a strangulate/bladestorm.

clockworkjames · « **Reply #2341 on:** 15 Jul 2010, 10:14 »

I would never have thought of splitting, woulda just been train the priest while keeping los from lock till dispersion then switch to lock till port then back to priest then lock then I dunno lol.

I dun like haste.

Alex C · « **Reply #2342 on:** 15 Jul 2010, 10:34 »

Yeah, I share a shadow priest for arena purposes and Dazed's suggestion is a good one. Fending off a warrior without the benefit of peels is roughly as enjoyable as pissing glass.

Dazed · « **Reply #2343 on:** 15 Jul 2010, 13:16 »

Wait, are you playing vs Shadowplay(lock/spriest/rsham) or Shatterplay(fmage/spriest/rsham)? Shadowplay should be a fairly easy game for you, depending on the map, just blow immunity effects, have your paladin hammer the spriest, and jump on the lock before he gets a port down (if RoV/dalaran/ruins). Only map I can see shadowplay being a challenge is Blade's edge, then I'd probably employ more or less the same strat as vs a shatter team, just have the dk lock down the warlock and keep him away from your paladin so no instant fears.

clockworkjames · « **Reply #2344 on:** 15 Jul 2010, 17:35 »

I just don't like wizards. I got hc bryntroll today. Gonna try for some games with it soon when meatlife/raiding/work is not in the way.

Oh and on EU ATR 8 final teams are...

3 LSD's < Woo casters going apeshit damages because of the pve trinks
2 RMP's < same old
2 African turtles < Replaces beastcleave?
1 WLD(with hpala sub) < I am a Hoodrch fanboi.

so from this we take that in the hands of very good players and at a "balanced" gear level, prot is move viable than arms in these comps and also rmp is still good and bloodlust makes happy warlocks.

Oh and arguably one of the least cheese/gimmick comps needs a backup healer. I am glad to see no dispel cleave, probs not enough heroic ICC gear maybes? I dueled a good prot warr on atr a while ago, he tore me apart in literally seconds. I might not know how to play well against them but I felt humiliated. Maybe it's because you can get dps and tank 2pt10 bonuses, blood queen shield, some wrathful offset, 2 obscene dps trinks, 1p wrathful with neck/ring/1h and rock out 350 res and still shit on casters before they can get their trink to proc.

Opinions?

I like ATR sometimes because in live there are so many more deciding factors in rng loot and tier differences between players but I am not 100% sure this outcome in teams is not purely because these comps benefit most within the gear restrictions.

Dazed · « **Reply #2345 on:** 15 Jul 2010, 18:08 »

Prot is pretty strong right now. I don't think it's stronger than arms, except in 1 comp, and in duels. Arms warriors have always lost duels to almost any equally skilled/geared opponent though, I don't see why that's an issue when they're so strong in group play.

Also, the US TR top 8 was

1. TSG 2. Beastcleave 3. LSD 4. MLD 5. Ele/Shadow/Rdruid 6. WLD 7. MLS 8. Hunter/Lock/Druid.

TSG actually had 2 teams in the top 8, but obviously they can only take up 1 spot at regionals. It looks like the #3 LSD and the #7 MLS probably won't go to regionals either, and will probably be replaced by an RLS and another beastcleave. So the top 8 was slightly caster heavy, although much more diverse than the EU top 8; and regionals will likely be actually fairly even, between melee teams (TSG, beastcleaves) and caster teams (MLD/Talbadar's team) and balanced teams (WLD, HLD, RLS).

That said, balancing pvp around what the very best players in the world are capable of when given the very best gear is a horrible design decision. The high end arena population is less than 1% of people who play the game.

jmrz · « **Reply #2346 on:** 16 Jul 2010, 00:00 »

I'm raiding again! With a guild that does everything on 25 Heroic. Eeeee! I got the Heroic Frozen Bonespike because the other mage had it already. I was very excited. They were all great and explained everything for me because I'd only ever done Marrowgar and Lootship on heroic before.

In other news - my friend quit WoW. She gave me her account which has 4 80's on it, one of which is a resto druid with a tank offspec. My other friend has mentioned that perhaps the druid is geared wrong, but I don't really know what I'm looking at, but I'd love to be able to play this druid so I don't have to level my own. Maybe you guys could take a look and offer some advice? I'll be transferring the druid off the server it's on now to the one that my main is on so that they can be in the same guild.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Moon+Guard&cn=Lianora

Dazed · « **Reply #2347 on:** 16 Jul 2010, 00:44 »

Killed heroic Sindragosa. It wasn't hard.

Just the man himself left on heroic now, anticipating that will be a bit more of a challenge.

BeoPuppy · « **Reply #2348 on:** 16 Jul 2010, 01:05 »

Wouldn't it be funny if it turned out to be a dwarf on a footstool behind a curtain?

Lines · « **Reply #2349 on:** 16 Jul 2010, 15:52 »

Jmrz, all I can suggest is definitely to get the chest piece to complete the set, invest in better gems, and try to get more mp5 items. You've got a ton of spirit, which is great, but only a few pieces have mp5 which is important for healing. You've got a good balance of haste, crit, and sp, so get some more mp5 (which you could possibly get from gems?) and you should be ok.

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