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4th edition D&D=Teh sckuk OR awesomesauce?
Surgoshan:
Perhaps part of it is that Warhammer's always been a minis game and that the overhauls are just balance issues?
I get the feeling that a big part of the rebellion is due to 4e embracing minis in a fashion that was only implied in 3.X. Perhaps I'm mistaken.
Alex C:
That really is the heart of it. AD&D wasn't a miniatures game. It had the chainmail legacy in there so you could play it as one, but it wasn't expressly a minis game, so most people didn't handle it that way-- most people don't want to adlib or work out their own system for handling the scale of a battle field, LoS rules and the area a cone of cold covers. Same thing with 3rd edition, which in many ways was a response to White Wolf and larger gaming trends. Open ended skills, modular characters (albeit through multi-classing rather than skill based systems), higher quality book production and lots and lots of fluff are all pages from the White Wolf Storyteller handbook. Which, honestly, was kind of silly at times because at the end of the day D&D is still usually about bashing green people over the head so you can rifle through their gunnysacks looking for loot. Fourth edition is a miniatures game that puts that fact front and center. Wizards don't really bend reality or cast Wish spells any more-- their job is now zapping people, and the game hands out complimentary 3x3 blast templates at character creation to drive home the point.
Fluxuation:
what do you guys recommend for someone who has never played D&D nor read D&D material? I am interested in getting into it.
WriterofAllWrongs:
If you're interested in playing, ask around game/comic book shops about D&D meetings and see if anyone you know plays. If the people you run into aren't crazy elitist and hardcoar about it, they probably won't mind slowing down to accommodate a new player. Get a set of seven die from said game shops or the internet, and a figurine. It also doesn't hurt to get your hands on a Player's Handbook, which, like most D&D accessories are sold at game shops.
Surgoshan:
You mean there are people who yell "nub" and laugh at you in real life? :boggle:
Okay, I'm not boggled nor even in the least surprised, but I have been fortunate in that I've only played with people who were more than happy to accommodate neophytes and welcome them into a new hobby. In other words, with people who weren't flaming dickwads.
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