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Personality dictates taste
« on: 05 Sep 2008, 05:00 »

According to research found in this article every indie kid is actually emo. Amazing research. Stunning results.

A few "significant" and "surprising" quotes:

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Prof North said the research could have many uses in marketing, adding: "If you know a person's music preference you can tell what kind of person they are, who to sell to."

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"The general public has held a stereotype of heavy metal fans being suicidally depressed and of being a danger to themselves and society in general. But they are quite delicate things."

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Re: Personality dictates taste
« Reply #1 on: 05 Sep 2008, 05:15 »

That's generally a load of bollocks.  I listen to everything, what does that make me?  A schizo?
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Re: Personality dictates taste
« Reply #2 on: 05 Sep 2008, 05:41 »

Yes.

I like how they have a picture of Pete Doherty for the Indie one.
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Re: Personality dictates taste
« Reply #3 on: 05 Sep 2008, 05:43 »

Also to remember, this is in the UK. "Indie" over here means fucking ANYTHING, including Scouting For Girls and the Pigeon Detectives. Anything with guitars is "indie".

Also, Robert Johnson and Skip James cause accidents. FACT.
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Re: Personality dictates taste
« Reply #4 on: 05 Sep 2008, 05:55 »

All the raw data for personality traits are self-reported.  All I get out of these findings is that jazz affectionados have ridiculously high opinions of themselves, which I think is absolutely right.
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Re: Personality dictates taste
« Reply #5 on: 05 Sep 2008, 07:41 »

Metalheads have low self-esteem, aren't outgoing and are not hardworking? That's bullshit.
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Re: Personality dictates taste
« Reply #6 on: 05 Sep 2008, 08:03 »

I would like to see the actual methodology and results of the study instead of just the popular synopsis before I pass judgment. Things like this tend to be reported because they're fun, but no one really bothers to look at the science being used. It goes from what might be a very useful marketing study to a high-cost equivalent of those silly quizzes you take online to post in your live journal.
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Re: Personality dictates taste
« Reply #7 on: 05 Sep 2008, 08:38 »

I like everything. Does that make me a hardworking, confident slacker with self-esteem issues who's very outgoing but fairly reclusive?
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Re: Personality dictates taste
« Reply #8 on: 05 Sep 2008, 08:42 »

I guess so.

According to this article, I am into the wrong music.  I'll admit I'm a bit critical of myself sometimes, but I'd hardly say I have low self-esteem.
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Re: Personality dictates taste
« Reply #9 on: 05 Sep 2008, 09:14 »

Stereotypes: shattered!


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« Reply #10 on: 05 Sep 2008, 09:16 »

I would like to see the actual methodology and results of the study instead of just the popular synopsis before I pass judgment. Things like this tend to be reported because they're fun, but no one really bothers to look at the science being used. It goes from what might be a very useful marketing study to a high-cost equivalent of those silly quizzes you take online to post in your live journal.

Quite right. An official publication of the research would be an interesting read. Unfortunately this is all I could find (the information for journalists link at the top). The last piece of info in that link is actually somewhat useful.

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The following table details links between personality and the characteristics of the music that people like to listen to. An ‘↑’ means that people who like this type of music score higher on this aspect of personality, and an ‘↓’ means that people who like this type of music score lower on this aspect of personality. If a cell is empty then there is no relationship

Looking at that table makes me think they just measured the effect of certain kinds of music on people, not the effect of human personalities on musical taste.
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Re: Personality dictates taste
« Reply #11 on: 05 Sep 2008, 09:49 »

If I had to venture a guess, it looks like he used a normative curve for each of the 6 personality traits he measured for. He then probably charted people on to this curve, filtered for stated musical preference, then saw where people clustered. People who stated a preference for Indian Folk music tended to score low on self esteem. People who stated a preference for Latin music tended to score high on self esteem. People who stated a preference for Bollywood music scored all over the place or tended right around average, so he couldn't make a call one way or the other. That doesn't mean you couldn't score high on self esteem and be a fan of Indian folk music, but you would be less likely to do so then if you liked Latin music. Without seeing the actual data, it's hard to say how strong the tendency one way or the other was for any given group and any given trait.

I do wonder about cultural bias though. For example, while plenty of people like Indian folk music, most of its fans are probably Indian. Most fans of Latin music are probably Latin American. If this is truly and international study (as it claims) how is he accounting for simple cultural similarity, as opposed to similarity actually based on musical taste? A question like "agree or disagree: I am generally pleased with my appearance," might seem a neutral way to get at general self esteem to one culture, while another might think disagreeing would show a sort of neurotic self-loathing and a third culture might feel that agreeing would involve a tremendous amount of ego.

There's a link to take part in the study on that sight too, so I might click on that later if I have time. I think it would be interesting to see the questions he's asking.
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Re: Personality dictates taste
« Reply #12 on: 05 Sep 2008, 09:51 »

Lol, no one listens to everything.
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Re: Personality dictates taste
« Reply #13 on: 05 Sep 2008, 10:01 »

Also; gentle versus non-gentle? What? This is a pretty stupid article.
It means indie kids will take a penny sock to your head if necessary or so inclined. I've had to do it several times.
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Re: Personality dictates taste
« Reply #14 on: 05 Sep 2008, 10:55 »

They didn't mention people who listen exclusively to video game soundtracks.  What about me?
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Re: Personality dictates taste
« Reply #15 on: 05 Sep 2008, 13:03 »

I didn't read the article (and from the quotes of it I don't want to) but it's a load of bullshit.

Since when were metalheads depressive?
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Re: Personality dictates taste
« Reply #16 on: 05 Sep 2008, 13:18 »

Yeah, you might actually want to read it before making points like that. The point was that metalheads aren't depressive; they come off that way but are actually quite content with themselves.
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Re: Personality dictates taste
« Reply #17 on: 05 Sep 2008, 13:19 »

They didn't mention people who listen exclusively to video game soundtracks.  What about me?

You have no personality.
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Re: Personality dictates taste
« Reply #18 on: 05 Sep 2008, 13:57 »

I did the questionaire.  By its nature, I wouldn't trust it to tell them anything worth-while about me, because like so many of these things, it wants simple answers to complex questions.  In any case, correlation (if found) does not prove linkage, directly, at any rate.

Phooey, I say.
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Re: Personality dictates taste
« Reply #19 on: 05 Sep 2008, 14:34 »

Paul, were almost all of your questions about your love life, and then a bunch of comparisons of sappy love song lyrics? I'm wondering if I somehow missed a page or if the system washed me out of the study after the first page for some reason. Maybe I didn't recognize enough song lyrics? That would seem a bit silly. I listen to music all the time but I have real trouble identifying lyrics without the music to back it up.

Ps. I'm inclined to 2nd the Phooey.
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Re: Personality dictates taste
« Reply #20 on: 05 Sep 2008, 15:19 »

Lol, no one listens to everything.

Everything in that survey, at least.  Maybe not Nash-Trash or shit-trance, but just about everything else.
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« Reply #21 on: 05 Sep 2008, 15:27 »

They didn't mention people who listen exclusively to video game soundtracks.  What about me?

You have no personality.
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« Reply #22 on: 05 Sep 2008, 15:55 »

Lol, no one listens to everything.

Everything in that survey, at least.  Maybe not Nash-Trash or shit-trance, but just about everything else.

The BBC didn't list everything, but here's a list of everything they claim the survey covered:

Bollywood
Indian folk
Latino
Samba
Blues
Funk
Jazz
Classical music
Opera
Easy listening
Country & western
Rap
Reggae
Dance music
Disco
Indie
Punk
Rock and roll
Rock / heavy metal
Chart pop
Marching / Military
Soul
Swing

I listen to at least a little of most of those, but I can still point to ones which I prefer over others.
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Re: Personality dictates taste
« Reply #23 on: 05 Sep 2008, 16:18 »

Paul, were almost all of your questions about your love life, and then a bunch of comparisons of sappy love song lyrics?

HEY me too. The only two I recognized were are Rihanna and an Aerosmith song. I was kind of pissed there wasn't an open ender at the end explaining maybe why we'd choose a over b or b over a. I generally picked the less sappy one.
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Re: Personality dictates taste
« Reply #24 on: 05 Sep 2008, 17:29 »

And then I noticed this thread with the same topic has actual replies in it! Golly gosh!

I fit the indie kid bill, but it's not all I listen to. As such, I am (at least), the following:

Low self-esteem, creative, not hard working, not gentle, outgoing, not outgoing, gentle and at ease. Hey, save the few glaring contradictions that can simply represent mood swings, it's bang on.

(Sorry you all don't adhere to TOTALLY LEGIT SCIENCE)
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Re: Personality dictates taste
« Reply #25 on: 05 Sep 2008, 19:03 »

Yes.

I like how they have a picture of Pete Doherty for the Indie one.
That's insulting...

EDIT:: Oops, thought that was Pete Wentz.

EDIT:: Nope, still offensive.
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Re: Personality dictates taste
« Reply #26 on: 05 Sep 2008, 19:45 »

I listen to shit loads of different genres. My favourite genres are Death Metal and Jazz Fusion, what does that make me?
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Re: Personality dictates taste
« Reply #27 on: 05 Sep 2008, 19:45 »

Bollywood
Indian folk
Latino
Samba
Blues
Funk
Jazz
Classical music
Opera
Easy listening
Country & western
Rap
Reggae
Dance music
Disco
Indie
Punk
Rock and roll
Rock / heavy metal
Chart pop
Marching / Military
Soul
Swing

...Samba?
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Re: Personality dictates taste
« Reply #28 on: 05 Sep 2008, 19:50 »

also, marching
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« Reply #29 on: 05 Sep 2008, 19:53 »

Thank God people only have strictly narrow taste in music otherwise this study would be meaningless!
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« Reply #30 on: 05 Sep 2008, 19:58 »

I listen to shit loads of different genres. My favourite genres are Death Metal and Jazz Fusion, what does that make me?
Someone that doesn't really exist, made up solely to cause head-explosions in marketing people?
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« Reply #31 on: 05 Sep 2008, 20:01 »

Jeezus

Jazz : "High self-esteem, creative, outgoing and at ease "

ROCK/HEAVY METAL: "Low self-esteem, creative, not hard-working, not outgoing, gentle, at ease "

Well I must be at least partially Bi-polar according to this study  :roll:
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« Reply #32 on: 05 Sep 2008, 20:26 »

Jeezus

Jazz : "High self-esteem, creative, outgoing and at ease "

ROCK/HEAVY METAL: "Low self-esteem, creative, not hard-working, not outgoing, gentle, at ease "

Well I must be at least partially Bi-polar according to this study  :roll:

Personally, I'm more confused as to why they say that blues shows high self-esteem.
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« Reply #33 on: 05 Sep 2008, 20:28 »

ITT, people get offended at statistics.
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« Reply #34 on: 05 Sep 2008, 20:33 »

So like, is Ephel Duath now some evil mutant paradox?

Because that just makes me want to listen to them more.
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« Reply #35 on: 06 Sep 2008, 01:21 »

Paul, were almost all of your questions about your love life, and then a bunch of comparisons of sappy love song lyrics?

Over 23-year-olds got totally different questions from under.  I was asked lots of questions about things like my fear of being abandoned by my mother (who died 4 years ago) and father (who died 34 years ago); nothing about songs or lyrics.  I mean, what the hell is the relevance of that to my interest in music?  And the presumption that under 23 you would only be interested in "albums";  maybe it's true - what do I know? - but hardly a good assumption for a survey.

And how was I supposed to distinguish "rock, "hard rock" and "soft rock", and then "indie" as a separate genre?
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« Reply #36 on: 06 Sep 2008, 03:48 »

ITT, people get offended at statistics.
What? Are you saying I'm not unique?

Seriously though, this whole thing seems a bit silly and overgeneralized.
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« Reply #37 on: 06 Sep 2008, 05:11 »

Of course it's overgeneralised - it's a statistical study, not an end-all or be-all.

I think the value in this is in future study, or the study that can use this as a reference and starting point for further research. While placing definitive personality traits according to musical taste is very obviously overgeneralising, there may be common factors that we have not yet considered.
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« Reply #38 on: 06 Sep 2008, 08:02 »

Paul, were almost all of your questions about your love life, and then a bunch of comparisons of sappy love song lyrics?

Over 23-year-olds got totally different questions from under.  I was asked lots of questions about things like my fear of being abandoned by my mother (who died 4 years ago) and father (who died 34 years ago); nothing about songs or lyrics.  I mean, what the hell is the relevance of that to my interest in music?  And the presumption that under 23 you would only be interested in "albums";  maybe it's true - what do I know? - but hardly a good assumption for a survey.

And how was I supposed to distinguish "rock, "hard rock" and "soft rock", and then "indie" as a separate genre?

Clearly they're giving different questions to different people. I was over 23 and was given only questions about my "previous and current relationship" and asked to choose between different lyrics to see which one I liked better. I was also asked if I recognized any.

Some of the questions were ridiculous. At the end, there was a group of questions about my current relationship, but since I wasn't in a current relationship I was asked to answer as though it applied to my previous relationship. Given that it was a previous relationship, questions like "how much do you agree with this statement? I am worried that she/he will leave me" seem almost funny. She did leave me, so what am I supposed to say? Even if I try to remember back to being in the relationship and how I felt then, it seems like I would be very likely to project backwards one way or another, either trying to convince myself that I didn't see it coming and was completely betrayed, or that I did see it coming and this was inevitable.
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Re: Personality dictates taste
« Reply #39 on: 06 Sep 2008, 11:27 »

I don't think Personality dictates tastes in music. I Listen to many different genres and bands, but if I'm feeling sad, I listen to sad music, if I'm happy I listen to happy, it's more emotion then personality.
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« Reply #40 on: 06 Sep 2008, 14:30 »

taste is not the same as preference.
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« Reply #41 on: 07 Sep 2008, 13:32 »

I like the idea of metalheads being "fragile things". I wonder if the devil/hell symbolism in metal will be replaced by flowers. Someone must have done it, heavy flower metal must exist somewhere in the internet.
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« Reply #42 on: 07 Sep 2008, 13:35 »

..Really, why do you like the idea of that?

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« Reply #43 on: 07 Sep 2008, 14:05 »

Seriously quit thinking you are all beautiful unique flowers that cant be boiled down to your raw traits.  The reality is this is largely true.  Take a large sampling of Indie fans, or Metalheads or X or Y and you will find that there are certain traits that pop up alot more than others. 
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« Reply #44 on: 07 Sep 2008, 14:13 »

I'm not going to quit doing anything. Your argument has a massive hole there (which I am going to poke) because anyone who would consider themselves unique wouldn't subscribe to such a derogatory word such as 'indie fan' or 'metalhead', and anyone intelligent enough to seriously think of themselves as an individual properly would question the uses of the words 'indie fan' or 'metalhead', and wonder whether it did truly apply to them.
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« Reply #45 on: 07 Sep 2008, 15:05 »

Oh, and dragonland.

Lets be friends!

The gaping flaw in reasoning that this kind of shit is at all valid is that most people do not have one specific genre they listen to exclusively

Maybe there is a specific "metalhead" or "jazz fan" out there that only listens to their chosen genre and embodies these traits. They are the exception rather than the rule in terms of musical tastes and therefore it is not valid or insightful to apply a broad stereotype to them by describing them as "a metalhead"

Not to mention the personality traits dictate that practically everyone who listens to music is creative. This is simply not true! Many people can enjoy music without being creative. This is pretty much the norm in a lot of cases.
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« Reply #46 on: 07 Sep 2008, 18:32 »

My favourite genres are Death Metal and Jazz Fusion, what does that make me?

a Cynic fan
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« Reply #47 on: 07 Sep 2008, 19:01 »

Guys, the BBC didn't report the whole study. The chary picked a few pieces of the study that they thought their readers would be interested in. The study did not find a high instance of creativity in all music listeners, just the ones that the BBC told you about. You should never assess the full value of a study based purely on a news report, because the news almost always gets it wrong. They have limited space and they don't talk methodology, which is where you can see what is actually being studied and therefor what the results actually might say.

Also, studies like this aren't trying to tell you what your personality is. It isn't an attempt to say "all people who listen to type of music X must exhibit personality trait Y." It is more a matter of "fans of music X have a higher likelihood of exhibiting trait Y."

That being said, having taken part in the study I'm highly skeptical of the methods. The questions I received didn't seem to designed to actually assess my taste in music and seemed poorly designed for assessing my personality. Its possible that I was put in to a control group of some sort, and its clear from what Paul described that he got a different set of questions, but I'm still highly skeptical of the methods being employed.

Still, this study isn't invalid on its premise. People do prefer different kinds of music. It's probable that, among factors such and culture, generation, and musical education, personality is also a significant determiner of which kinds of music you prefer. Finding out which personality types are drawn to which types of music is valuable if you're going to be marketing the music, or if you are going to use the music to market another product. The methods may be flawed. As of this moment, I strongly suspect that they are. If the methods are flawed then the results will be flawed. But the basic premise is sound.
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Re: Personality dictates taste
« Reply #48 on: 08 Sep 2008, 01:01 »

i find that second link posted hilarious in that it claims meatloaf's "bat out of hell" is the number one most popular driving song, as reported by some auto insurance company.



it's hilarious because i can attest to that.
right after "bat out of hell" i skip to track 6: "paradise by the dashboard light".

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...ain't no doubt about it we were doubly blessed, cause we were barely 17 and we were barely dressed!
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Re: Personality dictates taste
« Reply #49 on: 08 Sep 2008, 01:03 »

also how is that first article not ironic? every musical genre dictated that its fans were high self-esteem, creative, and outgoing. that's...ridiculous?
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