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« Reply #100 on: 08 Dec 2008, 12:48 »

of course, there's a portion of people who would see someone go into the 3rd bathroom door and either wait for them to come out, or follow them in because they are "different."

I think out of all the options available, unisex toilets aren't too bad. If you really care that much about where you are going to LEAVE WASTE, I think you are thinking too much.
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« Reply #101 on: 08 Dec 2008, 13:55 »

the problem with having a third misc. option is that the majority of the population probably doesn't have a problem with male and female toilets and would continue to use them as per usual, with the result being that the misc toilets end up being the ones obviously intended for and used only by people who don't fit in with the general straight population. the result is that this further segregates lgbt folks from the general population and doesn't actually do anything to reduce fear of these groups, which is what unisex toilets are trying to address in the first place.

it's a bt similar to how a lot of places encourage people to use the term "partner" when talking about their relationships cos it's a nice, asexual term that includes everybody and doesn't reveal sexual orientation or gender. the problem is, almost everyone who uses this term is not straight and so then they become immediately identifiable based on their use of a word which was initially supposed to be helpful, since straight people tend to just say "boyfriend" or "girlfriend". i use the word "partner" instead of "boyfriend" whenever i can and 9 times out of 10 i get the response "oh, i didn't know you were gay". i still say partner cos i like to think there's a point in there somewhere.
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« Reply #102 on: 08 Dec 2008, 14:10 »

I like saying "partner" because it makes me feel like a detective.
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« Reply #103 on: 08 Dec 2008, 14:15 »

it is also perfect for when you want to feel like a cowboy!
or cowgirl. cowperson?
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« Reply #104 on: 08 Dec 2008, 14:28 »

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« Reply #105 on: 08 Dec 2008, 14:31 »

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« Reply #106 on: 08 Dec 2008, 14:32 »

Clint Eastwood


regardless of sex, that is what everyone secretly desires to be. and not the shitty, Million Dollar Baby Eastwood either.

i'm talkin A Fistful of Dollars Eastwood. aka "the man"
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« Reply #107 on: 08 Dec 2008, 14:43 »

what about gran torino eastwood?
from what i gather, this film is going to be about how clint eastwood punches a lot of people in the face and shoots some other people while being 78 years old. i don't even know if i'll be alive when i'm 78.
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« Reply #108 on: 08 Dec 2008, 14:46 »

I have never known a dude to be uncomfortable peeing when there are women around. I mean, outdoors is a pretty good unisex bathroom and I've never had a problem peein' around girls or dudes. Aside from the GLBT thing, unisex bathrooms would cut down on line time for bathrooms, I'd think. Instead of it being a place to hang out for a lot of women, it could be "pee or poop. wash hands. leave".

I guess the only downside to this, and it's not even a downside, is that bathroom sex would maybe occur more?
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« Reply #109 on: 08 Dec 2008, 14:48 »

Uhh, bad link!

Also, Gran Torino hasn't been a Dirty Harry film for a good few years now. It's now about a blue-collar retiree who has to confront his latent racism. Better? Worse? You decide!

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I guess the only downside to this, and it's not even a downside, is that bathroom sex would maybe occur more?
Pehaps. Perhaps more non-consensual sex would occur. I would think sexual harrassment would definitely skyrocket in many situations.

I know if I were a lady and I was attending a football game I would make sure to relieve myself before the game, so I would not be forced to enter a bathroom with a large number of inebriated men. I recall going to a party once and there were some women who had entered the men's bathroom because the women's bathroom line was long. From the sound of it, the men in the bathroom seemed to assume that the girls were there to dispense sexual favors, as they propositioned the girls quite loudly and exposed themselves to the girls. It was pretty disgusting.

Now, maybe increasing the number of women in such a situation from a few to many would discourage things like that. But the sense that I get is that when you put men and women in a situation where "going about your business" involves removing your clothing in the same room as those of the opposite sex, I think it would increase the likelihood of such instances occurring.
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« Reply #110 on: 08 Dec 2008, 15:05 »

On top of the harassment, drunk guys don't really care where they pee. I've been in bars where guys are pissing in the bathroom trashcan and sink because all the urinals and stalls are taken up.

Then again, this was a large bar and only had 1 urinal and 1 stall
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« Reply #111 on: 08 Dec 2008, 15:11 »

oh i know gran torino is not a dirty harry film, i am just fascinated by the fact that it is about a very old man who confronts his latent racism by yelling at/beating up/shooting everyone. if i end up watching this for whatever reason, i kind of hope the plot ends up being terrible because i already know i won't be paying attention to that part.
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Re: Unisex Bathrooms - now with TMI!
« Reply #112 on: 08 Dec 2008, 15:18 »

i just pretend that Clint Eastwood stopped making movies after Dirty Harry.

he is really not much of an actor and even if he was, no amount of emoting could save most of the movies he's been in since then.
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« Reply #113 on: 08 Dec 2008, 15:21 »

Unforgiven was pretty ace.

And does he shoot people in Gran Torino? I was under the impression it wasn't that sort of movie.
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« Reply #114 on: 08 Dec 2008, 15:23 »

On top of the harassment, drunk guys don't really care where they pee. I've been in bars where guys are pissing in the bathroom trashcan and sink because all the urinals and stalls are taken up.

Then again, this was a large bar and only had 1 urinal and 1 stall

Man okay I have cleaned a McDonald's bathroom many times and I have some fun stories for you, and these people are SOBER. Or, well, presumably so. I've never served somebody I thought was drunk at the time. Lots of stoners though. The point is, people will not only just not care if they piss on the floor, but they will also *shit in a coffee cup* and leave it in the toilet for all the world to enjoy and for me to clean up. I really hate people who are dicks.

True story: lost my virginity in a dorm bathroom. It had just been reopened after cleaning when we went in, so it wound up being pretty okay. Floor was wet from being mopped and smelled of Pine Sol :)
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« Reply #115 on: 08 Dec 2008, 15:27 »

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« Reply #116 on: 08 Dec 2008, 15:29 »

i'm not sure actually. he does throw a guy off his lawn and kick him in the face and yell at him a lot, i kind of took it from there.
i do like clint eastwood though, he just weirds me out a lot. like, he had his badass phrase, which i liked, and then he had his serious director phase and there were parts of that i also liked... and then this new film seems to combine those two in a really bizarre way.

sorry to derail the thread! i still want to talk about unisex bathrooms, this thread is getting really interesting.
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« Reply #117 on: 08 Dec 2008, 16:13 »

huh, see, I was always that unisex bathrooms were created for areas like college dorms, where the may only be one bathroom on a floor so hey, why not let everyone use it?

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« Reply #118 on: 08 Dec 2008, 16:34 »

I am a fan of Clint Eastwood. I am also a fan of inclusive society.
I am not a fan of the ostracization of specific elements of society.
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« Reply #119 on: 08 Dec 2008, 17:08 »

the problem with having a third misc. option is that the majority of the population probably doesn't have a problem with male and female toilets and would continue to use them as per usual, with the result being that the misc toilets end up being the ones obviously intended for and used only by people who don't fit in with the general straight population. the result is that this further segregates lgbt folks from the general population and doesn't actually do anything to reduce fear of these groups, which is what unisex toilets are trying to address in the first place.
I'd use them and I'm pretty unambigious. lol I am a woman, who needs to piss about 4x as often as most people but takes about 1/5th of the time to go as most women. Hell, I generally piss quicker than my partner and yes I do wash my hands. I don't really understand how most women take so long. So, yay unisex bathrooms!

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it's a bt similar to how a lot of places encourage people to use the term "partner" when talking about their relationships cos it's a nice, asexual term that includes everybody and doesn't reveal sexual orientation or gender. the problem is, almost everyone who uses this term is not straight and so then they become immediately identifiable based on their use of a word which was initially supposed to be helpful, since straight people tend to just say "boyfriend" or "girlfriend". i use the word "partner" instead of "boyfriend" whenever i can and 9 times out of 10 i get the response "oh, i didn't know you were gay". i still say partner cos i like to think there's a point in there somewhere.
Meh, I've heard that is true in the US but over here a lot of people use "partner" as you don't need to get married to have rights any more. I know more people who have partners than are married. And boy/girlfriend just doesn't seem right after a certain amount of time... if you've been living together for 5 years and share everything it just doesn't seem like boy/girlfriend is the right word.

I know if I were a lady and I was attending a football game I would make sure to relieve myself before the game, so I would not be forced to enter a bathroom with a large number of inebriated men. I recall going to a party once and there were some women who had entered the men's bathroom because the women's bathroom line was long. From the sound of it, the men in the bathroom seemed to assume that the girls were there to dispense sexual favors, as they propositioned the girls quite loudly and exposed themselves to the girls. It was pretty disgusting.

Now, maybe increasing the number of women in such a situation from a few to many would discourage things like that. But the sense that I get is that when you put men and women in a situation where "going about your business" involves removing your clothing in the same room as those of the opposite sex, I think it would increase the likelihood of such instances occurring.
Generally I don't think this is as much of an issue as people like to say. OTOH I'd support single-sex bathrooms at stadiums and suchlike, because as you say that is quite a bad environment. In this situation I'd imagine it's going to be safer for a transgendered person to go into the woman's bathroom regardless, or if they pass too well as a man hell you can use the stall.

clockworkjames, I hope you aren't as much of a tosser as you're coming across here. Transphobic twat.
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« Reply #120 on: 08 Dec 2008, 17:15 »

I like how this thread has evolved so much from the starting post of "doesn't it mean one-sex" to Clint Eastwood and transphobia :lol:
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« Reply #121 on: 08 Dec 2008, 17:17 »

re: pee/poop colors

if you drink alot of grape kool-aid or grape gatorade your dumps turn NEON GREEN. I had a scare senior year of college, but a little bit of internet research brought rest to all my fears. you have to drink a lot of the purple drink though, if you only do it half ass and drink a quart or so, you get a deep forest green instead of neon.

Also, if you eat too much borsch (polish beet soup) it turns your piss orange/red, and your dumps completely beet red. And energy drinks - neon yellow/greenish.
Beets will do this to your pee as well. Turns it a blood red color if you have a certain gene.
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« Reply #122 on: 08 Dec 2008, 17:31 »

Now, maybe increasing the number of women in such a situation from a few to many would discourage things like that. But the sense that I get is that when you put men and women in a situation where "going about your business" involves removing your clothing in the same room as those of the opposite sex, I think it would increase the likelihood of such instances occurring.

It depends on the women.  I don't think it'd be that bad for guys to get a good ass wooping.  The only time I've been unwillfully touched was by my best guy friend and I just couldn't make myself hurt him.  Actually, if you read reports, most women who are raped are done so by someone they know.  I think it really is largely because they don't want to or are just to shocked to hurt their attacker.  I mean most women I know understand how to take down an assailant and the ones who can't don't go places without a friend.

You might have problems at  first with a couple of get your hands off me, but I think it might change some guy's under lying views.  I know all the guy friends, and most of the acquaintances, back in my home town all new not to touch a woman.  If they didn't they never did it again, but then it was funny what stuff we could get away with.  No marks, meant no deal...  (gah sorry bout comma placement... *Shakes fist at commas* I hate them all!)
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« Reply #123 on: 08 Dec 2008, 17:32 »

re: pee/poop colors

if you drink alot of grape kool-aid or grape gatorade your dumps turn NEON GREEN. I had a scare senior year of college, but a little bit of internet research brought rest to all my fears. you have to drink a lot of the purple drink though, if you only do it half ass and drink a quart or so, you get a deep forest green instead of neon.

Also, if you eat too much borsch (polish beet soup) it turns your piss orange/red, and your dumps completely beet red. And energy drinks - neon yellow/greenish.
Beets will do this to your pee as well. Turns it a blood red color if you have a certain gene.
Thank you, Biology book.

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« Reply #124 on: 08 Dec 2008, 18:23 »

Honestly I don't like the whole "partner" thing. Not because it's gender neutral, but because it feels too empty and antiseptic to be used in reference to someone you truly care for. I get the same feeling of irritation when people say it that I do when I hear people use internet terminology in daily life. It's meaningless language.
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« Reply #125 on: 08 Dec 2008, 18:27 »

Do words like "myspacey" and "interweb" count as internet terminology? Because those are great words to use in conversation.

Also, I routinely say "google" as a verb. Then again, that one's in the dictionary now so it doesn't count.


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« Reply #126 on: 08 Dec 2008, 18:44 »

I heard one where someone had no idea what the word meant, and he tried to explain it to us as so:

"I so googled my girlfriend all night"
*blank looks*
"you know, like, sex, right?"

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« Reply #127 on: 08 Dec 2008, 18:49 »

Do words like "myspacey" and "interweb" count as internet terminology? Because those are great words to use in conversation.
Nah, more like "epic fail" or "for the win". Or LOLcatisms, for that matter.
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« Reply #128 on: 08 Dec 2008, 18:52 »

What about "owned"? I use that term in meat life, I must admit.

But when people say it out loud as "PWNED" (as in "Holy crap, that guy just got pwned!")... that annoys me.
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« Reply #129 on: 08 Dec 2008, 18:54 »

I have the hideously annoying habit of just saying "lol"
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« Reply #130 on: 08 Dec 2008, 18:56 »

owned, I can abide by. Pwned, nay.

Lol, if not actually spelled out, can be lived with.
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« Reply #131 on: 08 Dec 2008, 19:44 »

Nah, more like "epic fail" or "for the win". Or LOLcatisms, for that matter.

Those are two of the worst things anybody could ever say, in my book. It's bad enough on the internet, but it is a million times worse in real life.
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« Reply #132 on: 08 Dec 2008, 20:13 »

Most of the people I know who will say "epic fail" will say it as loud as they can. Even now, I am imagining someone I knew who would say that shit and it is metaphorically making my blood boil.

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« Reply #133 on: 08 Dec 2008, 20:26 »

Honestly I don't like the whole "partner" thing. Not because it's gender neutral, but because it feels too empty and antiseptic to be used in reference to someone you truly care for.
I think that is largely based off of usage. Words mean things only because the people saying them and hearing them have them mean something. The meaning to the person saying it could be completely different than the person hearing it. If you were used to saying partner, girlfriend or boyfriend might sound empty and antiseptic.
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« Reply #134 on: 08 Dec 2008, 20:29 »

Jace, I was just saying that you saying it "literally made your blood boil" then that would mean you blood would be actually, boiling and you would be dead. Just saying it is making your blood boil is ok, because it is a metaphor, but saying literally it is clarifying that it actually happened. Literally should not be thrown about willy-nilly, people!


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« Reply #135 on: 08 Dec 2008, 20:53 »

Hannah, I was literally just being a jerk about it. But in the best, literal, way possible. I literally throw literally around like it's just some word. Literally.
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« Reply #136 on: 08 Dec 2008, 20:57 »

"Literally" is pretty much the only misused word that annoys me and sends me into fits of pedantry. It is for this reason I have trouble watching Jamie Oliver.

(Mr. Pants this is just speaking generally because it came up, and not directed specifically at you or anything)
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« Reply #137 on: 08 Dec 2008, 21:08 »

QUIT FLAMING ME VIOLENT DAVE!

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Re: Unisex Bathrooms - now with TMI!
« Reply #138 on: 08 Dec 2008, 23:07 »

This thread isn't being derailed, it's just taking the scenic route.
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Re: Unisex Bathrooms - now with TMI!
« Reply #139 on: 08 Dec 2008, 23:38 »

I don't think I really want to take a scenic route of anything related to bathrooms.
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Re: Unisex Bathrooms - now with TMI!
« Reply #140 on: 08 Dec 2008, 23:55 »

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for the unisex bathroom
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Re: Unisex Bathrooms - now with TMI!
« Reply #141 on: 09 Dec 2008, 07:07 »

I don't think I really want to take a scenic route of anything related to bathrooms.

You're just jealous because your IBS won't afford you the time to take the scenic route.
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Re: Unisex Bathrooms - now with TMI!
« Reply #142 on: 09 Dec 2008, 12:23 »

IBS prevents you from doing the scenic route of anything

It's so sad...
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Oh well, rejoice you don't have it
Wooo
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Re: Unisex Bathrooms - now with TMI!
« Reply #143 on: 09 Dec 2008, 13:36 »

I was thinking today about how many guys I know that are utterly disgusted if a girl makes a comment about her poop. This is totally because tons of guys can't find a chick hot if they hear her pooping.


(I am saying this as a blanket for some men, I know a lot of guys are bigger than that but..)
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Re: Unisex Bathrooms - now with TMI!
« Reply #144 on: 09 Dec 2008, 13:39 »

GIRLS POOP???

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Re: Unisex Bathrooms - now with TMI!
« Reply #145 on: 09 Dec 2008, 13:41 »

At my college we recently got a new wing built (mostly seems to be glass-fronted offices full of people I didn't even know worked there but that's another story).

One of the things that came with the new wing was a toilet, one of those ones that is just one so it isn't a cubicle, it's like a bathroom you have at home. And on the door there is a little plaque with a picture of a man and a woman holding hands.

I do not feel that they thought this through. The caretaking staff spend lots of their time discouraging couples from entering the toilets together, if you catch my drift. Now there is a sign to encourage it! I would post photos but my camera is on vacation.
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Re: Unisex Bathrooms - now with TMI!
« Reply #146 on: 09 Dec 2008, 14:00 »

My ex once exclaimed with excitement, "I think it's fucking awesome when chicks fart!" after my best friend bent over and ripped one on her ex...

True story.
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Re: Unisex Bathrooms - now with TMI!
« Reply #147 on: 09 Dec 2008, 14:49 »

At a university over here apparently there was some furore becuase the transsexual students considered the terms 'male' and 'female' to be descriminatory on the toilet doors. So now it's 'toilets' and 'toilets with urinals.'

YOU CAN PISS STANDING UP INTO A NORMAL TOILET ANYWAY.

And if you really need to try that hard to get offended by something, I think you probably deserve to be offended.
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Re: Unisex Bathrooms - now with TMI!
« Reply #148 on: 09 Dec 2008, 14:51 »

me and my housemates fart all over each other all the time, it ain't no thang
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Re: Unisex Bathrooms - now with TMI!
« Reply #149 on: 09 Dec 2008, 14:55 »

DK: I love how you showed up into a thread four pages in and related an anecdote which is actually the original post.
« Last Edit: 09 Dec 2008, 17:15 by Slick »
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