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[tuxedobob]

Was it ever said what Faye's dad's job was?

[LeeC]

uh, bit random, I dont think so.

[JD]

If he were a guns salesman, it would be pretty ironic.

[nichidani]

nobody ever said. i don't think it's considered 'important'.

[Delirium]

If he were a guns salesman, it would be pretty ironic.

IRONY DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY

[Surgoshan]

If he were a guns salesman, it would be pretty ironic.

IRONY DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY

Fortunately, windmills do.

[JD]

If he were a guns salesman, it would be pretty ironic.

IRONY DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY

FINE. It would be amusingly coincidental.

YOU GODDAMN PENDANT.

[Darke]

If he were a guns salesman, it would be pretty ironic.

IRONY DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY

Fortunately, windmills do.

Ahahaha. This might be my favourite post on the entire internet. I salute you, sir. Then salute you again.

[plethora]

If he were a guns salesman, it would be pretty ironic.

IRONY DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY

FINE. It would be amusingly coincidental.

YOU GODDAMN PEDANT.

FTFY.

[JD]

PEDANT

[Norton Quintessential]

MEME

[mustang6172]

If he were a guns salesman, it would be pretty ironic.

IRONY DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY

Fortunately, windmills do.

That's worth a gold doubloon.

[Inert]

wat


I think I am stupid.

[MamiyaOtaru]

If he were a guns salesman, it would be pretty ironic.

IRONY DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY

it would be slightly ironic if he worked at a suicide hotline

[jonarus_drakus]

If he were a guns salesman, it would be pretty ironic.

IRONY DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY

it would be slightly ironic if he worked at a suicide hotline

Wouldnt suprise me. Having to listen to people blather on about thier problems all day would make me want to blow my brains out too.

(Not to say that such places are important or dont deseve serious props for what they do. Its just that I couldnt)

[Inert]

There should be a thread about the worst song a suicide hotline could play as hold music.

I nominate Jump by Van Halen.

[Jace]

Brokencyde.

[maddness]

Enough Brokencyde and they wouldn't have to kill themselves. Their brains would liquefy and ooze out of their ears.

How about Hush by Tool?

[tuxedobob]

I actually have a theory about why it happened and how he got to that point that makes a lot of sense. I'm reluctant to post it on the forums, because if I'm right, it ruins a potential story arc. On the other hand, in answering my questions in the Ask Jeph thread, Jeph didn't list this as something he didn't know about the comic and doesn't entertain story ideas anyway. /shrug

[Is it cold in here?]

It's better art if it's never explained. Real suicides leave the survivors in lifelong incomprehension.

[cerement]

A suicide "best hits" medley, 15 second selections of 8 different songs in an endlessly repeating loop ... (my brother had to work a Christmas gig one year, he still twitches if you just whisper "jingle bells" ...)

[Binary]

IRONY DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY

Fortunately, windmills do.

It took 10 minutes on Google and a Youtube clip, but now I understand this.

Note to self - get a life.

[tuxedobob]

It's better art if it's never explained. Real suicides leave the survivors in lifelong incomprehension.

I'm not so sure about that. My father killed himself, and I think it's safe to chalk it up to alcoholism and depression.

[Is it cold in here?]

My heart goes out to you. In my case it was my brother.

A reason is not an explanation, though. Even if Faye's dad had left a note, it could never have explained destroying a life and creating a lifetime of pain for the survivors.

[Delirium]

Can you really justify forcing someone else to keep living just to make your life happier, no matter how miserable they are? Seems to be just as selfish to me as suicide itself.

[Is it cold in here?]

I don't think Faye was being selfish in being angry at her father.

[BeoPuppy]

And I still don't get the windmill reference.

[Binary]

And I still don't get the windmill reference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQg8JKo_3ZQ

[tuxedobob]

Can you really justify forcing someone else to keep living just to make your life happier, no matter how miserable they are? Seems to be just as selfish to me as suicide itself.

The desirable option would be for that person to let you know they need help.

[maddness]

I think that if you have underage children then you can not commit suicide. No matter how miserable you are. They didn't ask to be born, you made that choice, and they need you, so it's on you to be there no matter what's going on in your head. Not to mention that by committing suicide, you bring it in to their lives and put it in to their heads. You make it a real option for them.

[eurydice23]

Yeah I know nobody has posted on this, but on the off chance anyone sees this...

Suicide is hard, even for the people involved. I knew someone who attempted suicide, and when questioned, his answer was "I don't even remember why I did it." So if we could bring him back, it's possible he wouldn't even know. It's selfish to commit suicide because you're focused on immediate gratification, and not thinking about anyone else, and how they might be affected. As a gal with depression, I do realize that it's hard to focus on other people, but that doesn't make it any less selfish. I think he was probably had depression, and this was his release. There have been stories of people killing themselves as revenge, but I doubt that was his MO. I for one would be really interested in exposition about why he did what he did, but that probably wouldn't be possible, unless a diary was found, or a friend came out of the wood works who knew.

So yeah, this was probably pointless, but I wanted to say it! Lurkers enjoy?

[Is it cold in here?]

Based on the experience of my brother's suicide I don't believe there is such a thing as an "explanation".

[NotAwesomeAnymore]

I think that if you have underage children then you can not commit suicide.

I think that depends what kind of parent you are to them. A parent needs to be a stable, consistent force in a kids' life, not go through constant ups and downs, and maybe even take out their issues on their kids. You can't always blame the person, they're struggling but... For the children, losing that parent might be the best thing to happen to them so they can finally start their lives.

I think you can judge whether suicide is "selfish" (ugh, that word) based on whether the person committing it actually thought about the people around them. Faye's dad was obviously functional, and it doesn't seem like he ever tried to get help, so even though the pain was probably so great he had to do it, I understand Faye's anger.
But another person may have struggled with mental illness their entire life, like a really long painful cancer struggle - you know the toll it takes on that person's support system. The way I see chronic mental illness is a series of temporary deaths, you just lose that lucid person for an indeterminate amount of time, over and over and over, and it's shit. And in the end the 'cancer' wins and everyone grieves, but there's also that sense of relief because everyone was fighting so hard, and everyone was in pain, and now the person who died isn't suffering anymore. That last death is one really hard blow, free of any worry and any false hope.

[I didn't know anyone who committed suicide, just someone with bipolar disorder and a drinking problem whose liver failed - I apologise if I'm missing any added dimension when it comes to a suicide rather than a self-inflicted death.]

[Carl-E]

Some suicides are much slower than others. 

[dr. nervioso]

There should be a thread about the worst song a suicide hotline could play as hold music.

I nominate Jump by Van Halen.

I think it would simply be a constantly shuffling playlist of the most intensely depressing emo songs ever written. The caller would always get please wait message when they call and the music would start.

I mean, a few seconds of Linkin Park makes me depressed. Not because of the lyrics, just the sound of the music in general.

On a serious note, suicide is like a dog peeing on the rug, in some cases it's on purpose, but most of the time it is someone being driven to an extreme because they can't get help and they lack the capability f solving their problems. Unlike the dog, however, if they commit suicide without any sign of depresssion, you should not feel any guilt. Sadness sure, but no beating yourself up. But if they cme up and tell you they are going to kill themselves, and you do not get help, you deserve to slapped across the face. THAT is selfish, taking away their life not only from them, but from their friends and family.

[Kugai]

I would go with the theme from M*A*S*H

[DSL]

Eh, I can take or leave it if I choose.

[Carl-E]

OK, that's just inappropriate. 

[jwhouk]

Oh, great, now I hear choppers.

[DSL]

... Before the rest of us?

[Kugai]

And clucking?

[jwhouk]

Houlihan, you idiot, that's the end of the first half.

[DSL]

Don't worry about the jeep. I'll change the numbers.

[Kugai]

Before or after you mail it home?

[CompSarge]

There should be a thread about the worst song a suicide hotline could play as hold music.

I nominate Jump by Van Halen.

Dust in the Wind

[TheEvilDog]

Before or after you mail it home?

Wait for Klinger to have the engine block first before you mail it.

[bicostp]

You can't mail a Jeep home; by the time it gets there it will be stale!

[Kugai]

You can't mail a Jeep home; by the time it gets there it will be stale!

Not if you pack it in Ice.