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Greatest Album of the Decade Tournament, ROUND ONE

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I Am Not Amused:
The filling in votes thing was just kind of a threat to encourage people to vote in every match.

Let me take a moment to explain the desire for everyone to vote in every match (though, it's obvious that won't be happening, which I suppose is fine).

By having people vote in every match, it introduces an element of chance that is a part of any sort of tournament (see: NCAA basketball) or any sort of democratic process (see: People who don't know anything about politics voting for President). By having people voting in every chance, a very dynamic, unpredictable thing can happen that makes tournaments exciting (who doesn't enjoy seeing something like George Mason get to the Final Four or Barack Obama winning the Iowa caucus?).

Secondly, and less importantly, by having the same amount of votes for every match, it serves as an effective double-check for vote counting. If every match has 70 votes, and a match ends up 35 votes to 36 votes in your counting, you know you've done something wrong but, if all the matches have different vote counts, you may not realize the match is actually a tie until, I don't know, three rounds later when someone points it out and, oh shit, what are we going to do?


Anyway, there's the reasoning behind that rule, though it has become readily apparent that no one approves of it, which I was actually kind of shocked by.

Regardless, I started running the tournament to have fun doing it but, it seems as though the disconnect between my tournament-running style and the social dynamic of the board might be too far removed for either group to have a good time doing it. So, I think it would probably be better if someone else ran this? I think that everyone would have a better time that way. E Spaceman? scarred?

So, yeah. I hope you guys have a good time with this tournament. Good luck!

JediBendu:
I don't think we necessarily want to drive you out, dude, there are just some people voting in this tournament who are hardly voting for anything and if their votes were all filled in then that would probably fuck up the results pretty bad. I'm not so sure it's a social dynamic as much as we all realize that some people voting will not care to listen to some things or will just straight up vote for only the things they've heard of. Asking them to vote in 5/6 of the matches based on nothing, or filling them in arbitrarily would just be bad and would cause a loss of legitimacy for the results.

And there are plenty of people (like myself) who are voting in every match anyway, so it's not like the chance you talk about isn't present.

Hat:

--- Quote from: I Am Not Amused on 06 Sep 2009, 09:51 ---By having people vote in every match, it introduces an element of chance that is a part of any sort of tournament (see: NCAA basketball) or any sort of democratic process (see: People who don't know anything about politics voting for President). By having people voting in every chance, a very dynamic, unpredictable thing can happen that makes tournaments exciting (who doesn't enjoy seeing something like George Mason get to the Final Four or Barack Obama winning the Iowa caucus?).

--- End quote ---

As a person who lives in a country with compulsory voting I can assure you that making people vote does not produce exciting, unpredictable results

quite the opposite!

Koremora:
I don't really understand the attitude that everyone who votes for Animal Collective/likes them is some kind of bandwagon-ing Pitchfork dick-suck. A lot of people just genuinely enjoy their music for what it is outside of hype. Seems kinda ridiculous to assume that when something becomes vaguely popular, everyone who likes that music is only doing so because it's fashionable to do so. I think MPP is a legitimately great album of psychedelic/experimental electronic pop, and would have thought that regardless of what score it got on Pitchfork. If you don't like AC, fine, but don't wear it like a crown of anti-hipster backlash.

Muffin_Buns:
I Am Not Amused: I'm not complaining about the way you're running things here, and I understand where you're coming from about wanting people to participate in all of the matches. Personally, I'm trying to download and listen to most of albums I haven't heard (a good 20% of the list here) so I can make somewhat intelligent choices, but I know that a lot of people probably don't have that kind of free time, and would rather just not vote instead of picking albums at random and skewing the results.

I don't think it's necessarily a criticism of your tournament running style.. more of a convenience thing.  Maybe people would make more of an effort to listen to the stuff they don't already know if you extended the deadline or something?  I dunno.

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