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Bisoshock: Infinity or Ben Franklin vs The Chineemen
Alex C:
--- Quote from: Trynant on 26 Sep 2010, 14:32 --- I would argue that something trying to be art needs a lot more than fun as a motivation.
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And you'd be wrong.
Alex C:
I mean, not to get all post-author on anyone here, but what someone intends to communicate and what people hear are often vastly different things. Some of the most enjoyable moments I've had as a reader or moviegoer have been those times where I say to myself "Haha, his ideology is showing" when watching something that is otherwise intended to be a throwaway piece of entertainment. The assumptions we make about what our audience will think when presented with a given piece of information can actually reveal a lot about ourselves.
Trynant:
--- Quote from: Alex C on 26 Sep 2010, 15:28 ---I mean, not to get all post-author on anyone here, but what someone intends to communicate and what people hear are often vastly different things. Some of the most enjoyable moments I've had as a reader or moviegoer have been those times where I say to myself "Haha, his ideology is showing" when watching something that is otherwise intended to be a throwaway piece of entertainment. The assumptions we make about what our audience will think when presented with a given piece of information can actually reveal a lot about ourselves.
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Finding the occasional subtext in entertainment is not the same as analyzing the layers of meaning behind the masterpieces of literature/film/music (e.g. The Da Vinci Code != Gravity's Rainbow). We have the a lot former in gaming, but none of the latter. That kinda sucks.
Alex C:
Perhaps, but Killer7 has waaaaaay more in common with Dan Brown than Pynchon. Ambition doesn't equal quality by a long shot, and frankly, I find it a li'l insulting that some people think that a work needs to intentionally be layered to be a good one. There's artists out there who spend an awful, awful lot of time trying to strip things back to its core, after all.
Tom:
The Jungle is pretty good example of people walking away with the wrong message. Many read the novel as a damning indictment of the meat packing industry but the message Sinclair was trying to impart to his audience was that capitalism is a horrible moster of a system that unfairly feeds on the working class and that socialism was our best bet for societal betterment.
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