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More than "NOT DORA"
jwhouk:
Yanno, I think it's a bit deeper than that.
I think it's three main points:
1. (Obviously) He was seeing her only because he couldn't "have" Faye;
2. He was seeing her because she "pursued" him (see the "sexy trap" comment by Raven back in 536); and
3. He hasn't given me any reason for me to break up with him like all the other <blanks> I dated.
It all boils down to Trust issues. And given that this is one of the earliest things in the Piaget stages of human development, I suspect there was something that happened to her pretty far back.
Will Jeph ever reveal that to us? Maybe, maybe not.
Could he write Dora out of the story completely? Yes. (How? Well, I have an inkling that having Hanners as an "employee" at COD might facilitate things. I mean, she does have a lot of cash behind her, but that's another topic.)
Will we ever see her back as a regular cast member - or even as Marten's girlfriend? Maybe, maybe not.
Is it going to be a wild ride? Probably.
eschaton:
First post I think (after lurking off and on for some time).
Personally, I think that if you really want Marten to see growth, the last thing he should do is date anyone else seriously for at least 500 strips. Casual hookups would be great though. Yes, I know they don't jibe well with his character, but it's part of growing as a person. Although Marten came into the series with a long dry spell, he seems to be a serial monogamist, and he really should be more proactive with dating and more picky - not just fall into a relationship with the first woman who comes his way. I think the most major realization for his character would be if he discovers that with a bit more of a self-assured attitude, he'd have women throwing themselves at him. I don't see him turning himself into some David DeAngelo acolyte, but some half-measures in those directions would be a big step up for him.
It's unfortunate Steve is with Cosette, because really, Marten needs a bro right now to get drunk with. Angus would otherwise work great as a friend to Martin (they seem to be almost identical, except Angus is oddly more self assured but less socially adept), but of course since he'll be with Faye, it's unlikely he'll be much of a help. That leaves Sven. Sven and Martin don't have the makings of good friends, but they are sort of a yin and yang in terms of the strip - Martin needs more of Sven in him, and Sven more of Martin, in order to become well-rounded people. However, it doesn't seem likely the gang would entirely approve of them becoming drinking buddies, and I think the most likely result would be Sven teaches Martin to be more of a letch, but it also reinforces the negative aspects of Sven's personality. Which might make for good drama actually (how did the Bianchi parents raise two children who are so fucked up?)
jwhouk:
--- Quote from: eschaton on 19 Nov 2010, 18:35 ---...how did the Bianchi parents raise two children who are so fucked up?
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Oh, that's the one thing I'd LOVE to know. Doubt Jeph would want to take us there, though.
Xenmaru00:
we have to remember that Sven for the longest time was just a stereotypical "Male". Decent looking, gets the ladies, screws them, dumps them, moves on. Sven himself doesnt seem to have many "problems" at all. And, after dealing with Faye, he's come to realize he's a dick, and wants to change. And we're seeing him do so. It's Dora with all the head problems. Not to say Sven may not have any, in fact he might, and it might even be the reason why he was such a douche for so long. But his arent like Dora's, which stops him from being able to pursue a relationship.
In fact he even noted these things after one specific encounter (usually how these matters resolve themselves), and is making moves to fix them. It just so happens that the "target" of his change, has moved on. Whether this will cause him to revert, or if he'll just keep pushing for the sake of finding another, or even holding out for her, is unknown. but safe to say Sven is in no way "fucked up". And we know where Dora's head problems came from. Now she just needs to focus on that and resolve them.
eschaton:
--- Quote from: Xenmaru00 on 19 Nov 2010, 18:53 ---we have to remember that Sven for the longest time was just a stereotypical "Male". Decent looking, gets the ladies, screws them, dumps them, moves on. Sven himself doesnt seem to have many "problems" at all. And, after dealing with Faye, he's come to realize he's a dick, and wants to change. And we're seeing him do so. It's Dora with all the head problems. Not to say Sven may not have any, in fact he might, and it might even be the reason why he was such a douche for so long. But his arent like Dora's, which stops him from being able to pursue a relationship.
In fact he even noted these things after one specific encounter (usually how these matters resolve themselves), and is making moves to fix them. It just so happens that the "target" of his change, has moved on. Whether this will cause him to revert, or if he'll just keep pushing for the sake of finding another, or even holding out for her, is unknown. but safe to say Sven is in no way "fucked up". And we know where Dora's head problems came from. Now she just needs to focus on that and resolve them.
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While you might be correct that Seven had no "issues" insofar as he was happy, he does indeed have "relationship issues" insofar as his historically dickish behavior has led to him not having a good long-term track record with women. Mind you, that never bothered him much until now, so he didn't put much focus on it. But given both he and Dora have such issues with relationships suggests that even though their parents seem to still be happily married, something wasn't okay in the Bianchi household.
Absolutely agreed Sven is handling it more maturely, but he's older then the rest of the cast (like 32 or so right?). At that age, you really should start getting your shit together.
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