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WCDT January 3-7, 2011 (1831-1835)
Wraith11B:
I've been there. And--similarly as Nietzsche said--as you stare into that inky blackness, it stares right back into you.
I would hope that Marten does not get to be like that. One, he's got friends that will hopefully recognize the signs of someone that gets to be like that. Two, they interact on a regular enough cycle that it would get caught early. I've had similar goings-on, and now am a fairly cold fish. Marten shouldn't get that way. He'll muddle through.
cesariojpn:
--- Quote from: Kugai on 05 Jan 2011, 11:53 ---Actually, when you think about it, this is worse punishment for Dora than if Veronica had walked in and pulled out the whips and chains.
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She did fap to Veronica's pics back in the day, so I dunno if that would've been a threat or a compliment.
leahneedsanap:
--- Quote from: DSL on 05 Jan 2011, 12:02 ---
Dora wants "reassurance" that This Is All Her Fault -- because that way she still gets to be in control (and control is a big thing with her, because if we can take Sven at face value after the Underpants Incident, our benighted barista was never really in control of a relationship until after ambushing Marten on the rooftop).
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I'm not sure she really wants this, if her expectations that everyone is going to beat her up and she's inviting it in this way. I think she wants someone to tell her it IS her fault because she knows this incident represents her issues spiralling out of control and really being untenable, especially after what Faye has said to her. But she's afraid to take the big jump of confronting herself, and she wants other people to push her to do what she needs to do--it's why she gave in when Faye pushed her to call her therapist NOW.
I think there is a lot of people thinking they know what Marten and Dora need right now--but not so much actual knowing. Marten's mom thinks she's helping, but all she's done since she got there is violate his boundaries, basically recreating his breakup with Dora and punishing him every time he tries to stand up for himself--hell her whole visit is a boundary violation cause she asked him not to do it. That seems like it's getting into exactly the territory Wraith is talking about. And I'm not saying Marten's mom should give Dora the abuse she's looking for, but I don't think just saying "it's all okay I forgive you!" is helping much either--although if it's a transitional statement to saying you have problems and you need to work it out. I think Hanners did a pretty good job, especially for her comfort level, by giving back the Worry Hat--it just says, hey, I'm your friend and I'm here for you. I think Faye did even better by being a supportive friend who is also calling out a friend on destructive behavior and giving her some tough love to follow through on doing something about it.
Heliphyneau:
--- Quote from: maddness on 05 Jan 2011, 12:40 ---Okay, seriously, I don't think breaking up with Marten makes Dora an evil bitch, but can we not slap a halo on her either? She didn't break up with Marten to spare him stress, she broke up with him because she wanted to break the cycle where she drove herself crazy because of her issues, blew up at Marten and then felt like crap over it. That's not a bad thing, it was probably the right thing given her circumstances, but it's not a selfless motivation either.
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With you on that. I feel bad for both Marten and Dora and I hope they both find some measure of comfort to help them move on. Dora's pain is mostly self-created, both during and after the relationship, so the hell she's in is her own making. As for Marten, he's still working the emotional splinter out -- odds are it's gonna take some digging before he can start to heal. Maybe Marten's Mom knows exactly what she's doing, or maybe haplessness runs in the family, or maybe it's something in between. I hope he opens up to his Mom or someone soon.
Further down the line, I'd like Marten to jam out with Hanners and Amir. Pouring his emotions into music could help him if he's too bottled up.
And hey, what's wrong with commenting on Ms. Reed's boots? :psyduck: They're cool, yo -- don't be hatin'!
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pwhodges:
Frankly, the tops of the "boots" look more like leg-warmers to me...
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