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[Odin]

Tell me about your father...

Anything about my father or just the molestation?

Whatever gets your motor running.

[J]

is there a reason faye turns her back on dora in panel 3 and then doesn't go anywhere? it seems like she just spontaneously decided to rotate in place mid conversation.

[TheEvilDog]

Sometimes you just can't look an idiot in the eye in the middle of a conversation without feeling the urge to roll your eyes so much that your eyesockets might break.









Eyes.

[pwhodges]

I think it's something to do with feeling judged by women

You should never feel judged by a good therapist, in any case.  You may find at some point that you start to judge yourself, but your therapist should also help you to put that into perspective.

[Loki]

I think I wouldn't make a good therapy victim. I would likely end up analyzing the therapist and telling them about them, annoying the heck out of them.

Also, I don't think I would have any problem with the gender of the therapist, in my opinion, their ability to earn my respect is much more important. That goes for any kind of relationship with people, really.

Edit: Is it normal for a therapy session to be 45 minutes? I always thought shrinks get paid per hour. (Needless to say I have no therapy experience.)

[Elysiana]

She did mention that they made some small talk. I assumed that was the first 15 minutes - getting to know each other.

[pwhodges]

Is it normal for a therapy session to be 45 minutes?

I've had a nominal hour of 50 minutes, giving the therapist time to adjust between sessions, and also to arrange the coming and going so that successive participants do not meet.

[wjen]

I think it's something to do with feeling judged by women

You should never feel judged by a good therapist, in any case.  You may find at some point that you start to judge yourself, but your therapist should also help you to put that into perspective.

I feel judged by everyone, like I said, issuuueeeesss. I just feel less judged by men.   I suppose most people would feel more comfortable with the same sex therapist.

Anyway, I'm sure there was something else to discuss. Like the comic. Umm...

[tbones]

JEEEPH! I WANTED TO MEET THE NEW CHARACTEEEEER!!!

Meeep, i'm just impatient!

[jacjyd]

Also, I've never heard of someone having a counselor of the opposite gender. None of mine have been. I'd feel a little self-conscious if a man was my therapist; I'd feel like I was talking to my dad.

I have almost always had counsellors/therapists of the opposite sex, even though there seem to be 5x as many female counsellors as male ones. I think it's something to do with feeling judged by women (issuuuueees), I feel far far more comfortable with a male counsellor. The only time I had a female counsellor she was rubbish, I think that may have also affected it  


I've registered purely to say this (I managed to stay away for so long! Dammit)

Haha I also registered only to post on this topic! =P I've found that it's better with someone of the same sex but because I know that if it were a guy I'd just be subconsciously flirting the whole time...or that it was a possibility.  Which is not a good possibility!

[Carl-E]

Youze guys are lucky - back in my teenage years, you didn't really have the option, the feild was dominated by men.  Of course, I'm a guy, so it wasn't a big issue for me personally, but the old stereotype of sex with your therapist came from women spending an hour in a room with a male therapist and a couch...

So remember kids, some good has come from the push for gender equality.  Of course, this is one field where it went way past equality, like wjen observed.  Hard to even find  a male therapist anymore...

[spifspifferoo]

is there a reason faye turns her back on dora in panel 3 and then doesn't go anywhere? it seems like she just spontaneously decided to rotate in place mid conversation.

Faye and Dora both moved to the left. You can tell because the pictures on the wall change. Also, they're in front of the cash register in the first two panels and they move in front of the pastry display and espresso machine in the 3rd and 4th panels.

This is my first post *please don't hurt me*

[Is it cold in here?]

Well spotted, and welcome!

[Skewbrow]

Dora's left leg in panel 3 depresses me.

She is leaning against the counter (may be even "half sitting" on the edge?). It is hard to tell from the pic, which thigh would be pressed against the counter harder (and thus spread wider). Jeph probably had a 3D-image in his mind, so only he can tell.

Or were you worried about something else?

[westrim]

Faye and Dora both moved to the left. You can tell because the pictures on the wall change. Also, they're in front of the cash register in the first two panels and they move in front of the pastry display and espresso machine in the 3rd and 4th panels.

This is my first post *please don't hurt me*

*stab* 

She is leaning against the counter (may be even "half sitting" on the edge?). It is hard to tell from the pic, which thigh would be pressed against the counter harder (and thus spread wider). Jeph probably had a 3D-image in his mind, so only he can tell.

Or were you worried about something else?

All I saw:

thigh spread wider

[TheEvilDog]

Skewbrow, I think it might be more that Dora has apparently skinny enough legs that she can get away with those tight jeans and not look like she had to be squeezed into them.

[Ghostfingers]

Given perspective and leg angle, which changes a lot when your leg bends that way, it's not an entirely straight-forward depiction of Dora's body-type. However, as a curvy gal myself, Dora's thigh depresses me because apparently her leg is the same size as her arm, and at the very widest point of her thigh, haha.

(The one that is on Dora's right/my left, that is.)

[albus]

Youze guys are lucky - back in my teenage years, you didn't really have the option, the feild was dominated by men.  Of course, I'm a guy, so it wasn't a big issue for me personally, but the old stereotype of sex with your therapist came from women spending an hour in a room with a male therapist and a couch...

So remember kids, some good has come from the push for gender equality.  Of course, this is one field where it went way past equality, like wjen observed.  Hard to even find  a male therapist anymore...

sight come here its so friking fulled with therapist that you could find a male therapist in a sec.i read once that this is the country with more therapist per person in the world 8Argentina)
i think i would feel more comfortable with a female terapist but only coz i always thought that women are way smarter

Albus

[SuileanDubh]

I am a girl and my therapist is a man, but it works for three reasons. One is that he is really good, another is that he's young and closer to my age which makes him easy to talk to, and lastly because most of my friends are guys because I get along with guys better. I don't trust girls much. I had a therapist before who was a woman, and I never opened up to her because she just seemed too motherly, and older women (not all, but most) aren't the first people I think to go to with problems, because they tend to be prudish or get you in trouble.

[jwhouk]

I can see why Dora isn't visiting Dr. Corinne as well, but come on, that would have been hilarious.

Faye had mentioned Dr. Corinne had already told her she didn't want to see anyone in her social circle. Though the girls figured it was more like, "Oh, NOW I get it. You're all driving each other insane!"

[TheEvilDog]

Of course, we've already seen a potential future where Dr. Corrine did take on Faye's friends as patients...Jeph would be rich! (Or at least have some extra cash in his pocket.)

[BlueMark]

Dora talking about her brother makes sense - it tells the therapist about her family dynamic, undoubtedly quite a bit about their upbringing, and is probably more revealing about how Dora interacts with other people than directly asking her.  And the fact that she nattered on for 45 minutes pretty much proves it's importance. As you can see I am an expert on psychological therapy because I took exactly one course in college (mumble) years ago.

Also ... does it count as flirting if the girl thinks you are gay?

[SJCrew]

Also, I've never heard of someone having a counselor of the opposite gender. None of mine have been. I'd feel a little self-conscious if a man was my therapist; I'd feel like I was talking to my dad.

I have almost always had counsellors/therapists of the opposite sex, even though there seem to be 5x as many female counsellors as male ones. I think it's something to do with feeling judged by women (issuuuueees), I feel far far more comfortable with a male counsellor. The only time I had a female counsellor she was rubbish, I think that may have also affected it  


I've registered purely to say this (I managed to stay away for so long! Dammit)

Haha I also registered only to post on this topic! =P I've found that it's better with someone of the same sex but because I know that if it were a guy I'd just be subconsciously flirting the whole time...or that it was a possibility.  Which is not a good possibility!

Such moxie coming from this post. This is why I'd fancy myself a nice, more homely-looking therapist with a trusting look about her. I'm not sure there's a male therapist I've met that didn't seem like a dick.

[snubnose]

So remember kids, some good has come from the push for gender equality.

Oh yes, the good thing we get from gender equality is that therapists can be female now.

Its even more funny because you said it.

[Skewbrow]

Skewbrow, I think it might be more that Dora has apparently skinny enough legs that she can get away with those tight jeans and not look like she had to be squeezed into them.

Ook. LOL! Somehow I thought that attention was drawn to the fact that in the third panel Dora's right leg appears to be skinnier than her left leg. If her left leg was causing a depression, then I'm still a bit lost. 

All I saw:

thigh spread wider

I first wrote "attention was drawn to the difference between Dora's legs", but at the last moment I realized ,which 3 words a mind-in-the-gutter language police would copy&paste out of that sentence.

[Lubricus]

The appearance of her legs depend on the angle you see them from, people. A human thigh isn't a cylinder - its cross-section is not circular. Thus the left leg, which we see from a different angle, appears wider the right.

[Odal]

So remember kids, some good has come from the push for gender equality.  Of course, this is one field where it went way past equality, like wjen observed.  Hard to even find  a male therapist anymore...

Not sure what this is supposed to mean. 

First, there's no such thing as going "passed equality" (assuming you meant "passed" and not "past").  That's called inequality.  But I'm not sure what you mean by "some good has come from the push for gender equality" and then state that it's "hard to even find a male therapist."

[akronnick]

No, he meant past, as in beyond.

An equal number of each gender would be equality.

A greater number of the former minority gender would be past equality.

[SJCrew]

Dora's left leg in panel 3 depresses me.

She is leaning against the counter (may be even "half sitting" on the edge?). It is hard to tell from the pic, which thigh would be pressed against the counter harder (and thus spread wider). Jeph probably had a 3D-image in his mind, so only he can tell.

Or were you worried about something else?

This is not a perspective issue, this is an art discrepancy. Dora and Faye are approximately the same height, as are their wastelines. You'll notice that for one panel, the gap between Dora's legs is elevated slightly higher than it should be compromising the proportions of her thighs. Look at Faye's in the same panel; we're talking about a full centimeter in height difference.

The foreshortening of her left thigh is not caused by a different angle, but rather it being genuinely skinnier than the other one. Envision a full-body sketch of Dora in that panel and it will seem painfully obvious that the proportions are off. Jeph messed up.

[Skewbrow]

I am unable to tell, whether something is definitely wrong in that pic. My best guess would be that Dora is sitting on the edge of the counter with her left leg pressed against the top, and her right leg hanging more freely. May be her right foot is resting on a piece of furniture out of our sight or something? Or she hasn't really settled into that position yet?

May be it's a mistake? Quite harmless.

[Tova]

Well, that tour de force of logic has firmly established Marigold as my favourite character.

Edit: I meant Hannelore... pfft. That's what happens when you jot off a quick post.

[Akima]

Got to love a maths pun. If Marigold's self-loathing is the square root of two, which QC character's self-loathing would the square root of -1? Hannelore possibly? Pintsize certainly.

[Mr. Doctor]

Math jokes are never bad... well done Jeph!

Also... Don't overreact Mari.

[cyro]

Ah, Sven, our man-prettiness is truly a curse. A curse of awesome and sexing, but a curse all the same.

Does this make us Bros? I believe it does.

BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOS!

[Skewbrow]

Got to love a maths pun. If Marigold's self-loathing is the square root of two, which QC character's self-loathing would the square root of -1? Hannelore possibly? Pintsize certainly.

Pintsize. Definitely. It might occasionally have a negative real part though.

If Marigirl's self-loathing is a constant, any constant, then there is hope. If it had exponential growth, that would be cause for concern.

[slydon]

I wouldn't question Hanner's logic. If anyone's broken the dating scene down to it's mathematical components, it's her.
Oh yeah.

[JackFaerie]

Well, my point is that (to me) psych is still an immature science, which is at about the same level of maturity as alchemy wrt chemistry.  But like I said, I've never had any experience of any kind of 'therapy', short of novels, film/TV and now comics.

You do realize you've basically just said: "I have a strong negative and dismissive attitude about psychology although I know nothing about it?" Or to put it another way: "to me psych is an immature science, and my sole knowledge of it comes from highly fictionalized, dramatized media that is more interested in story than accurate representation of medical knowledge"?

I'm not saying you can't/shouldn't hold a negative opinion about psychology--many people do. But holding such an opinion with zero knowledge of the discipline as it is actually practiced (and there are many different ways of practicing) is another matter.

For one thing, the way psychiatrists use talk therapy can be different. In some cases, patients just need an opportunity to talk, air out their issues, and be listened to. A lot of people simply don't spend much time analyzing their reactions and relationships, etc, and having someone "safe" ask questions simply prompts some much-needed self-reflection. In other cases, therapists will guide you towards certain realizations. Dora's just starting therapy--but what was useful from her first session is that it right away pegged her brother, and her relationship with him as a sore point (otherwise she wouldn't have gone off talking about it for 45 minutes and not even known the time was up), and of course the content of Dora's Sven-speech might have given some basics for the therapist to explore/work on with Dora later. As Dora talks more and the therapist learns more about her, he will be able to help her put her various issues together, and guide her to explore particular parts of her psyche.

[Fen]

I liked therapy. I was afraid of it for years and when I finally got around to going there I regretted not doing so earlier. I was reluctant at first what with all the TV talk about it, and have heard some IRL stories about horrible psychiatrists that tell people with low self esteem that "no man will ever want them unless they lose weight"(we're talking about a pretty good looking and healthy woman here, not an obese person).
I DO blame the whole "psychiatry sucks" idea for all the sucky psychiatrists out there. Half my class went on to study psychology, some to "fix their own problems" and others because they just assumed it was all easy. Ergo, how bad psychotherapists are flooding the industry >.>

(yes I know psychiatry and psychology are different things, I just didn't bother saying "psychiatry and psychology" every time. and yes, mine was a psychiatrist though I went there for cognitive-behavioural psychotherapy).

Also, there was this thing that made me really understand how hard it is to be a psych. Basically my therapist's office was in a building at the local neuropsychological hospital, and lots of schizofrenics would hang out near her hallway. Whenever i'd get there early I'd spend about 5-15 minutes with them. It was extremely depressing. You need some nerve to be able to handle people like that imho.

[Eddurd]

Maybe this falls under "Don't Explain The Joke", but for the non-math-inclined ...

Why is Marigold's self-loathing the square root of two?
Because it's irrational.

Dora's flaws would be sqrt(-1), since most of them are imaginary.

[Odal]

A greater number of the former minority gender would be past equality.

My point was that equality is theoretical to begin with.  Same with going "passed equality."  Thus it does not exist in reality.

[Carl-E]

Ummm... equality is not  a theoretical concept.  it's a mathematical one, but not all mathematics is theoretical!  You can balance a scale, after all...

And it's a quirk of English that the verb pass becomes passed in the past tense, but as an adverb, adjective, or preposition it's spelled past.   Since the use in "gone past" is adverbial (for the past tense of going), I've used it properly. 



Why yes, my father was  an English major...

[ora]

Maybe this falls under "Don't Explain The Joke", but for the non-math-inclined ...

Why is Marigold's self-loathing the square root of two?
Because it's irrational.

Dora's flaws would be sqrt(-1), since most of them are imaginary.

Damn I logged in to say something like this, and I'd be pissed except your comment on Dora's flaws is so awesome I can't be.

[Lubricus]

Why yes, my father was  and English major...

I will forgo my chance at a cheap joke about military ranks, and instead state that I hope that "and" is a typo...

[El_Flesh]

That is some pretty shaky reasoning there Marigold

Certainly.  Because a pretty person could also be nice to a butt-ugly zits-on your face, big nose and greasy greasy hair slob.
Or the pretty person could act nice to the slob, while plotting a devastating public meanness humiliation. Like in Carrie.

[snubnose]

Maybe this falls under "Don't Explain The Joke", but for the non-math-inclined ...

Why is Marigold's self-loathing the square root of two?
Because it's irrational.

Dora's flaws would be sqrt(-1), since most of them are imaginary.

Aaaaah lol ok now I get it, thanks a lot !


P.s.: Still a very weird way to say it, because no, Marigolds self-loathing IS NOT sqrt(2), its only IN THE SAME FIELD AS sqrt(2)

P.p.s.: Or shorter and more precisely, "as sqrt(2)"

[Carl-E]

Why yes, my father was  and English major...

I will forgo my chance at a cheap joke about military ranks, and instead state that I hope that "and" is a typo...

Never did learn how to type...

And he was also a Master Seargant in the Marines, so no, not an English Major. 

[akronnick]

Why do I get the feeling that the Venn diagram of the intersection of {Math Geeks} and {Pedants} can be represented with one circle?

[iduguphergrave]

Maybe this falls under "Don't Explain The Joke", but for the non-math-inclined ...

Why is Marigold's self-loathing the square root of two?
Because it's irrational.

Dora's flaws would be sqrt(-1), since most of them are imaginary.

Thank you, I appreciate that, too. When it comes to math I'm basically functionally retarded.  

As I saw on an awesome t-shirt once: "I'm an English major. You do the math!"

[Lubricus]

Why do I get the feeling that the Venn diagram of the intersection of {Math Geeks} and {Pedants} can be represented with one circle?

It can't - it has to be two concentric circles. There are plenty of pedants who aren't math geeks, after all. 

[akronnick]

Ah.

It'd be a little circle inside a bigger circle.

Got it.