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Why does Dora need therapy?
Emperor Norton:
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--- Quote from: stoutfiles on 09 Jun 2011, 16:44 ---Because, in most cases, it is an all-powerful truth serum. You say things you think but normally wouldn't say out loud. It also will make you hornier than usual. Combine the two and there are problems.
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Bullshit. You don't think clearly when drunk. Yeah, you are more likely to say the things you are thinking, but you are also way more likely to be THINKING THINGS YOU WOULDN'T BE THINKING. I have, enough experience with both myself and other people drinking to know that its not truth that comes out when people are drunk. You are prone to exaggeration, bad jokes, misremembering, and impulsive "thinking with the other head" behavior. I'm not sure how that is "the truth".
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Right, you say things that will help your chances with another woman. But angry rants? Those are always thoughts, repressed or not, that you don't just make up. Marten clearly felt what he was saying. He liked her, it didn't workout for him but it worked out for Angus, and he was pissed about it. That wasn't a made-up feeling.
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Or it could be that he was acting out exactly what Dora was expecting of him. There are so many explanations for why he acted that way and it is really the only evidence of him still having romantic feelings for Faye, and its pretty flimsy considering how emotionally screwed he was at the time on top of being drunk.
The thing is, you are making up reasons for why Dora broke up with Marten, when we have reasons that are STATED in the comic, by HER. You made up these reasons that she felt he was beneath her and such. Nothing like that has ever been mentioned in comic. In fact, everything in comic stated that he was the best boyfriend she had EVER HAD. I just, really don't see your perspective when you can't pull any EVIDENCE of it other than how you feel about the situation. Nothing I can remember implies that SHE felt anything like that. Of course, you could go search for it, and I would listen if you actually showed anything that comes close to implying she thought he wasn't good enough for her, but until that point, this just seems, pointless. Its an argument based on your own vague feelings with no support from what the characters actually say.
The theory that she broke up with him because her insecurities on the other hand, DOES have a shit ton of evidence in the comic.
--- Quote from: stoutfiles on 09 Jun 2011, 15:54 ---So Dora breaks up with him, with hardly any emotion towards it, and now she needs to get help?
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Wait WHAT?!, I must have missed this when I was reading it before. Man, that sure was a lot of tissues and crying for someone doing something with hardly any emotion.
TheEvilDog:
"If you take steps to get yourself fixed up - I mean therapy, medication, whatever it takes, I'll do my best to treat you as a friend, not as a girlfriend in waiting". That was Marten, doing the decent thing and being a friend, not a guy looking for a quick lay. That wasn't romantic, that was just a guy trying to help his best friend.
So what about those people who find life so crushingly depressing that they feel that they have no choice but to end it all? Some people can "get by" with they're problems, but not everyone has that luxury. You can't talk to family, or to friends, so some people choose to go to a therapist. Thats the essential part of therapy, its just talking to someone who is impartial and offers you a new perspective, listening to your problems and offering you help. Even you have to admit that its good to just talk to someone.
Dora, pre comic, has gone out with guys, who by the accounts of her parents, brother, and her own violition, have abused her, treated her like crap and who could be considered to be worse than the crap on the street. So what clear and rational reason could Dora have for destroying her relationship with the first decent guy she ever had a romantic relationship? You have to admit that despite the fact that Faye and Marten telling her that nothing would ever happen between them, that their friendship had evolved so much since they met that nothing could happen. She admitted that when they broke up that it was her issues of trust that caused her to break them up. You have to admit that is something that someone really needs to work on with a therapist.
As for you "truth serum"? You know what it really is? Its bacteria shit. The breakdown of grains and hops and whatever else you're brewing or distilling is done by bacteria, the results of which are served up in bottles and glasses for consumtion. I've grown up around alcohol, I've worked around it. It doesn't unlock the inner you, or reveals some great truth about you. It kills some brains, slows the reaction time of the body, dehydrates your body and acts as a depressant.
TheEvilDog:
--- Quote from: iduguphergrave on 09 Jun 2011, 16:48 ---I'm sorry! I didn't click your link; I assumed it went to the strip where they get the glowing bourbon cause I hadn't thought of the other one until I started typing my post. I'm not a copier, just an idiot :-P
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Ah, you're alright. With the amount of bourbon they drink in the comic, its pretty easy to get confused.
Is it cold in here?:
Dora mused long ago about getting therapy to overcome her issues with her brother.
She broke up with the first decent guy she ever dated, a guy she said made her happy. It was not a decision aimed at improving her life, as it might have been if she'd dumped him for someone with ambition. This wasn't a routine met-someone-else or couldn't-stand-him-anymore kind of breakup.
Freud defined mental health as the ability to love and to work. Dora has work down, but has a continuous string of failed relationships, and if she went for abusive guys because she was insecure, then they all failed for the same reason.
stoutfiles:
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Or it could be that he was acting out exactly what Dora was expecting of him. There are so many explanations for why he acted that way and it is really the only evidence of him still having romantic feelings for Faye, and its pretty flimsy considering how emotionally screwed he was at the time on top of being drunk.
The thing is, you are making up reasons for why Dora broke up with Marten, when we have reasons that are STATED in the comic, by HER. You made up these reasons that she felt he was beneath her and such. Nothing like that has ever been mentioned in comic. In fact, everything in comic stated that he was the best boyfriend she had EVER HAD. I just, really don't see your perspective when you can't pull any EVIDENCE of it other than how you feel about the situation. Nothing I can remember implies that SHE felt anything like that. Of course, you could go search for it, and I would listen if you actually showed anything that comes close to implying she thought he wasn't good enough for her, but until that point, this just seems, pointless. Its an argument based on your own vague feelings with no support from what the characters actually say.
The theory that she broke up with him because her insecurities on the other hand, DOES have a shit ton of evidence in the comic.
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Marten actually comes out and says what he's feeling for once and it's supposedly flimsy, but when Marten says what any "Nice Guy" would say when given a situation, it's fact. That would be interesting to live in a world where no one white lies, ever.
--- Quote from: Emperor Norton on 09 Jun 2011, 17:07 ---
--- Quote from: stoutfiles on 09 Jun 2011, 15:54 ---So Dora breaks up with him, with hardly any emotion towards it, and now she needs to get help?
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Wait WHAT?!, I must have missed this when I was reading it before. Man, that sure was a lot of tissues and crying for someone doing something with hardly any emotion.
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Girls cry when they have to dump someone, it's not fun. Girls especially cry when someone bear hugs them and tell them they have to get help because something's not right with them. Faye, who didn't want to be with Marten, is telling Dora she's crazy for not wanting to be with Marten. What?
Has Dora ever dated an ambitious person or have they all been hipster townies? Maybe Dora should try dating someone different before she's deemed crazy and needs help? Maybe a guy that is nice to you isn't always enough in a relationship?
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