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WCDT: 2392-2396 (25 February- 1 March, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
judemorrigan:
Poor Claire. I mean, I know Marten warned her, but still. Poor Claire. This has been quite the trip for her.
Fenriswolf:
"Everything is offensive to someone" is a total cop out at any time and especially when it comes to an incredibly marginalised group that is at a horrendously high risk of violence. Trans women are women, trans men are men, we're not talking about genderqueer or non-binary genders here: it's not complicated.
Calling someone "a trans" is about as polite as calling someone "a black" or "a gay". It is not exactly difficult to grasp that people do not want to be described like a thing rather than a person with a specific trait. Using "transgendered" rather than "transgender" or "trans*" is an easier mistake to make, but it's still basic respect to try and learn these things.
Getting irate that you have to think about your language? Well too damn bad, because you clearly can't begin to imagine what it's like to have people in your life refer to you as the wrong gender, at best coloured by the thought that you're deluded, or a freak, or just as commonly, disgusting. If anyone who knows them as trans actually chooses to stay in their life.
Give people the basic respect of calling them by their name and by their preferred pronouns. It's that easy.
Valdís:
--- Quote from: cesariojpn on 25 Feb 2013, 02:20 ---Okay, this is kinda getting on my nerves abit.
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Honestly, try and use the "right word," you get grief about it no matter what you do!! Can anyone make up their minds already?
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Oh come now, she was just being a Grammar Nazi. I doubt anyone around would take offense to being called trans* when they are. Also:
"She-Male" - This one should be obvious. Also it's for porn.
"Crossdresser/Trap" - This is just wrong, but it's fine when talking about what it actually means. Also Trap is just internet slang, your mileage may vary.
"Trans/Transsexual/Transvestite/TS" - Again, Transvestism is different, but these are proper uses.
"Gender Fluid" - Suitable for people who are, sure.
"Insert female pronoun here" - Doesn't really make sense to use inbetweener pronouns for people who aren't fluid, whether trans- or cisgender.
There isn't a monolithic "other" outside the norm, so one can't address all smaller groups as one. :)
GarandMarine:
*Takes a step to the left of the trainwreck about who should be properly called what, has potentially helpful experience, but everyone else seems to have it covered*
--- Quote from: Westrim on 24 Feb 2013, 21:16 ---Others have said it before, but now I, personally, suddenly understand Marten much better. Imagine that happening all through his life.
--- Quote ---Scene: Tween Marten walks in the front door, to see the living dungeon room and his mom in nothing but garters and stiletto boots standing on a guys back and 5 production guys.
"Welp, I'll be upstairs doing homework."
Okay honey, there's lemonade in the fridge if you're thirsty!"
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This was my thought as well, you gotta wonder how that fucks with your head. Mom's a porn star, how does that affect your perception of the opposite sex? Actual sex? Certainly changes how you're gonna browse the internet for porn. One bad search... "Oh god! My eyes!". It's also worth noting that Veronica still actively and forcefully "mothers" Martin. "Be a good boy and look away" you could make a case for emasculation there, and it's been noted before by myself, and others on this forum that she (Veronica) can be quiet controlling in Martin's life.
All things considered it might be pretty amazing that Martin has the spine he has and manages healthy emotional relationships, not to mention sexual relationships that don't involve a pound of chocolate chip pancake batter, an aerial restraint system and a trampoline.
...that last bit actually sounds kinda fun... idea for next date night me thinks.
Welu:
--- Quote from: Bluesummers on 24 Feb 2013, 21:17 ---I find it interesting that Claire is shocked in Panel 4, but not blushing.
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I think she used her blush quote for the day helping with the tie.
I also like the matter-of-fact nature of how Veronica desribes her underthings in Panel 3. I know this probably isn't the first time she's done it for Jane, I also get she knows Marten is used to his mum's work. Although Claire is not someone she has met before. Even with Marten's warning this must be surprising to her, to say the least.
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