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What would you do in Faye's shoes?

"Go home, Dora, you need a vacation."
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"Welp, I have no choice - either I hire Samantha or you cut back on your hours."
- 2 (3.9%)
"Don't make me bring Pintsize into this!"
- 2 (3.9%)
"Very simple: you let me hire someone, or I'll tell Sven to pester you into selling the place to him."
- 0 (0%)
"How about you go home and sleep for a few days and we can talk about this when you wake up?"
- 3 (5.9%)
"We need to hire Dale. The plot demands it."
- 16 (31.4%)
"We hire someone or I tell Tai you have a questionably-obtained social disease."
- 0 (0%)
"I'm serious - it's either Dale or Pintsize. Your choice."
- 4 (7.8%)
"No, I'm not hiring Momo. She talked about 'unfortunate circumstances' with me once."
- 1 (2%)
"Why are you taking business advice from Mieville?"
- 3 (5.9%)
"No, we are NOT starting a kickstarter to hire a house band."
- 0 (0%)
"That Harriet girl was in here again, and this time she dropped off her resume."
- 8 (15.7%)
"No, I don't know why there's a Great Pyrenees, a Bandicoot and a Dicksissel out in front."
- 3 (5.9%)
"We are NOT going to open a Spathe Ham and Waffles Breakfast Bar downstairs."
- 0 (0%)
"Something else entirely, because the forum is putting WORDS. IN. MY. MOUTH."
- 5 (9.8%)

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"Being human, having your health; that's what's important."  (from: Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi )
"As long as we're all living, and as long as we're all having fun, that should do it, right?"  (from: The Eccentric Family )

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Well, I wasn't serious anyway. I think that was pretty obvious.

Anyway, it's going to be interesting how Dale will integrate into the CoD staff, assuming he'll get the job.
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With Cosette having apparently turned into a hobbit, Dale might be necessary to boost the average height of the CoD crew.
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Well, I wasn't serious anyway. I think that was pretty obvious.

Of course it was; I did contemplate adding a remark about meta-shipping, but it seemed too heavy-handed when I tried it.
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Meta-shipping… as in shipping the shippers with character pairings?
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Alternately, during the interview Dale might be declared unsuitable due to his work schedule.
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Don't go cutting the poll down like that, Border!

Thus far, though, he does seem to be the only applicant, but given that Dora hasn't (showingly) mastered the art of sleep-brewing, I think an interview process is in order.
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No, I reckon Dale will get the job (there might be an amusing interview montage, which would be cool, but I can't see why Jeph would introduce a new character after already setting up the possibility of an existing one joining the crew). I can't imagine how he'd interact with Raven - absolutely can't see him being her type of man!
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Will they or won't they? Are Penny and 'Sette gone?

Yep. They won't stand to be bullied anymore.    3 (5%)
Cosette's probably already gone - and the curse shall be lifted!    3 (5%)
Penny's going to go back to her other job: PIZZA GIRL!    7 (11.7%)
C'mon, that meme's old. They're both kidding.    6 (10%)
Actually, Penelope's a bit tiffed she didn't get a chance to at least interview for the job.    4 (6.7%)
Cosette's got classes to miss and other limbs to break.    6 (10%)
That "Cafe of Doom" idea sounds good, though.    1 (1.7%)
They just don't want to work with Raven.    0 (0%)
Or get on the bus with Raven. (and Sara - poor, poor Sara.)    2 (3.3%)
"Dale! We have a job opening! How soon can you start?"    8 (13.3%) <== We're all calling this one, aren't we?
Nah,  hire Momo.    2 (3.3%)
NO! Pintsize is more suited to the job!    2 (3.3%)
Insert Snarky Comment Here.    2 (3.3%)
Where's the picture of Marten's butt?    1 (1.7%)
Go for $105k, Jeph. We want that 20-page Deathmole comic.    13 (21.7%) <== PERMANENCE FTW.

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Meta-shipping? As in "I think pwhodges ought to ship Gabby and Jimbo"? Or what?
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Thinking of Gabby, has she actually shown up at some point since the lake party?
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Meta-shipping? As in "I think pwhodges ought to ship Gabby and Jimbo"? Or what?

"Meta-shipping" was a joke, of course; but I was thinking more of merely discussing shipping rather than actually shipping, which might include your example but not be limited to it.
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Don't go cutting the poll down like that, Border!

Thus far, though, he does seem to be the only applicant, but given that Dora hasn't (showingly) mastered the art of sleep-brewing, I think an interview process is in order.

When my wife owned her pet store she usually got 3-5 unsolicited resumes per week - more if she was posting for a job opening.  While an interview montage is in order, it would be unrealistic for Dale to be the only resume she's got (because with sentient AI, very vocal avians and other things the strip is extremely realistic).
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All this talk about "meta" pairings reminds me of Marten.
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there might be an amusing interview montage, which would be cool

Here's hoping Jeph's people-watching con sketching is fodder for this... Definitely want to see Willis get disqualified for farting in an interview

Edit: Wait! There's a perfect image right now...TO THE CAPTION THREAD!
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Well, 20 hours a week should fit right in with the rest of his schedule.  When will he sleep?

 He's gonna quit as a delivery boy.
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I'm always sad when I look at the strips which preceded the current story arcs and notice the basically unfinished storylines…

I want to know what this leads to!
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Probably nowhere. She looks him up, but she is not quite desperate enough to seek him out.
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Well, 20 hours a week should fit right in with the rest of his schedule.  When will he sleep?

 He's gonna quit as a delivery boy.
OO, maybe then Pizza Delivery Girl would make her triumphant return!
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I'm sure it's been brought up, but, am I tripping balls or did Jeph totally change Cosette's look/eye color? o.O

Absolutely. Look at http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1549 -- she has grey eyes -- now they're brown. She dyed her hair to work at Coffee of Doom but she has shrunk as well, not just shorter but slighter.
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Momo had a lot of trouble finding a job, and Jeph said it was because of a bad labor market in Northampton rather than discrimination. If unemployment is that high, Dora must be getting lots and lots of applicants.

Didn't Jeph say once that everything leads to new characters?
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I'm always sad when I look at the strips which preceded the current story arcs and notice the basically unfinished storylines…

I want to know what this leads to!

When it comes to Veronica, you don't want to know.

You. NEVER. WANT. To know.
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Probably nowhere. She looks him up, but she is not quote desperate enough to seek him out.
Yet.
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The irony is that she has enough coffee at her disposal to never, ever, ever sleep.
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Ever see someone sleeping in a coffee shop? I have.
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Ever slept in a coffee shop? I have.
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Probably nowhere. She looks him up, but she is not quote desperate enough to seek him out.

Or next thing you know, the two of them are walking into CoD hand-in-hand and everybody, especially Marten, is like  :-o "WTF (When the fuck) did this happen?"

Ever see someone sleeping in a coffee shop? I have.

Ever slept in a coffee shop? I have.

All I can say is, someone sleeping in a coffee shop is either tired way beyond the intervention of coffee or was drinking decaf.



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Dora, remember the reason you gave for promoting Faye *just yesterday*?
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In my defense, the couch was very comfy.

This is interesting... if Dora really is delegating the scheduling to Faye then in a weird way, it is actually Faye's call as to whether Dora takes any shifts.
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If Dale hires on, we might get May as well. A twofer!

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And the reason comes out: she's being rewarded for being a control freak.

Actuating behavior/event: "The shop is more popular, so I need to be open longer hours to serve people."
Irrational Belief: "I need to be in control of things! It's my shop!"
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("Oh, and Dora? That'll be $50...")

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Meta shipping

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Will they or won't they? Are Penny and 'Sette gone?

Yep. They won't stand to be bullied anymore.    3 (4.5%)
Cosette's probably already gone - and the curse shall be lifted!    3 (4.5%)
Penny's going to go back to her other job: PIZZA GIRL!    8 (11.9%)
C'mon, that meme's old. They're both kidding.    6 (9%)
Actually, Penelope's a bit tiffed she didn't get a chance to at least interview for the job.    5 (7.5%)
Cosette's got classes to miss and other limbs to break.    6 (9%)
That "Cafe of Doom" idea sounds good, though.    2 (3%)
They just don't want to work with Raven.    0 (0%)
Or get on the bus with Raven. (and Sara - poor, poor Sara.)    2 (3%)
"Dale! We have a job opening! How soon can you start?"    10 (14.9%)
Nah,  hire Momo.    2 (3%)
NO! Pintsize is more suited to the job!    2 (3%)
Insert Snarky Comment Here.    2 (3%)
Where's the picture of Marten's butt?    1 (1.5%)
Go for $105k, Jeph. We want that 20-page Deathmole comic.    15 (22.4%) <== WE DID IT!

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The last strip makes me wonder how Dora works out her remuneration. She is the owner of CoD, so her's should be the profits from the business, not an hourly wage.
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The last strip makes me wonder how Dora works out her remuneration. She is the owner of CoD, so her's should be the profits from the business, not an hourly wage.

She's admitted she's lousy at math... maybe she doesn't get the concept?
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When I had a business, I paid myself a salary; the profit stayed with the business until there was enough to justify a dividend to shareholders (me and a couple of others).
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The last strip makes me wonder how Dora works out her remuneration. She is the owner of CoD, so her's should be the profits from the business, not an hourly wage.

Her profit is increased by the money she saves by not hireing another employee.
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My dad does the same as Paul outlines - he pays himself minimum wage, and takes a dividend when he needs the money for something or when it's getting to be a silly amount. Of course now he's semi-retired I guess he pays himself a pension?
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Those appear to be two contradictory sentences.  Faye has grown and worked on her problems - I think that may well be the definition of "character development".  The same can be said for Dora, Hannners, Raven has gone back to school, Steve has gone through a few transformative relationships, Wil grew up, Sven had an epiphany, .... damn, the only character that hasn't really changed is Marten's.  And Pintsize's. 

People don't maintain a consistent personality.  Not in real life, and that's one of the things I love so much about this comic!
Not really. If someone "develops" into a character that has no connection to their previous incarnation, I feel fairly comfortable calling that disappointing. Real character development is supposed to take the character's past and build upon it, not toss it in the incinerator in favour of writing whatever new idea is in your head.

The problem here is that the characters often didn't go through experiences which altered their character in most cases. They just woke up one morning after enough time was passed and decided to act like they were suddenly a changed person. The "development" happened by the wave of a magic wand, somewhere off screen. A notable exception would be Sven. He did develop based on events depicted in the comic, and I'd have to say that was done well.

Dora is one of the worst victims. She has a different personality every time she appears in the strip. Then there's the others like Marigold, Dale and Hannelore who have basically the same personality but expressed in vastly different ways without any visible development.

It's why I said I enjoy QC on the basis of whatever story arc is happening now, and pretend like the past didn't happen. That's what the strip wants for me to do a lot of the time. I expect it's just natural when writing a bit of a story every day for like... 10 years?
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Actually, if you read my post breaking down Dora via Rational-Emotive Therapy, you'd realize she's the same as she's been for some time now. Her control issues have been obvious since about just before The Talk - which would indicate that she's gone through a lot of experiences, but HASN'T changed.

My semi-professional opinion is that in a situation that she probably had growing up (considering her parents and brother), she has a need to feel "in control" of the situation. This is manifesting itself in how she's taking all the "extra hours" at the shop - which isn't new, by the way (she did that when Sara "disappeared" early on in the strip).
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The problem here is that the characters often didn't go through experiences which altered their character in most cases. They just woke up one morning after enough time was passed and decided to act like they were suddenly a changed person. The "development" happened by the wave of a magic wand, somewhere off screen. A notable exception would be Sven. He did develop based on events depicted in the comic, and I'd have to say that was done well.

You didn't mention Faye directly, but I think it was implied, since that was the genesis for this discussion.  But really?  She's had drinking "intervention" from her friends, has been in therapy, and was wooed (in unique fashion) by some one she decided to finally begin a relationship with.  I think those few incidents alone, and especially whatever she's learned in therapy, are all excellent ways to develop your personality into one that's more in line with what you want than what you have.  Sure, some of it's offscreen and assumed, but it's no "magic wand".  And her personality's still the same at the core. 

Just a little less hostile. 
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If there's a "magic wand" in Faye's case, I suppose it's Sven's.

More seriously, Faye usually mentions Marten as having helped her change: "I'm a different person than I was back then.  Because of you."
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Meta shipping

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Yeah, I had a good laugh-out-loud here at work when I clicked the link.

Although I will say, I don't get how/why ship(ping) is being used for this?  I know the meaning behind it, but I don't get why someone ever started using the word to indicate that or why other people continue to use it as such.  Why can't we just use words for their original meaning and use the correct ones for the idea/thought we wish to convey?

Cannot compute.
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He had the look of a lawn mower just after the grass had organised a workers' collective.

FuryoftheStars

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And so the word got abbreviated to being a word that already existed with a different meaning?

Sorry, not aimed at you, just the idea of it ->  :roll:
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