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WCDT: 2593-2597 (09-13 December 2013) Weekly Comics Discussion Thread
Jazzmaster:
--- Quote from: Delator on 11 Dec 2013, 23:12 ---It's like Faye and Marigold are competing this week to see which one gets to be my least favorite character.
"Two girls enter, one girl leaves!"
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Nice. Glad I'm not the only one who was particularly turned off by Faye's snark this week, especially about 2 strips or so ago. "Fuckin' nerd", really? People still talk like this?
PthariensFlame:
--- Quote from: NotAwesomeAnymore on 12 Dec 2013, 10:43 ---When people suggest Marigold has a mental disorder, do they mean she has something that needs to be treated with drugs?
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At least from my perspective, no. (I need them, but I'm aware that disorders with that level of severity are pretty rare.)
--- Quote from: NotAwesomeAnymore on 12 Dec 2013, 10:43 ---
Because I suppose you could diagnose her and put her under a label. But I have a feeling she had bad social experiences when she was younger, and is naturally somewhat introverted -- and now she has some issues which could be resolved with a combination of therapy (to unpack the bad social experiences from when she was younger) and some good social experiences. I don't think there's an inherent chemical imbalance there.
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Leaving completely aside the issue of whether or not every psych disorder is chemically based, I think perhaps "labeling" her might actually help her to overcome it. I'm not sure, as I don't remember a time when I wasn't aware of some sort or other of psychiatric diagnosis that had been placed on me, so her response might be different, but I don't think so. I think she would take comfort in the fact that her problems are actually not unknown. It has nothing to do with assigning blame (I see way too many people here worried about whether or not her actions are "her fault") but a lot to do with how she perceives the relative level of uniqueness of her issues. Yes, she still has to solve them, but knowing that they must be solvable because others before her have managed it might actually propel her quite a ways along the path to resolution.
Thrudd:
--- Quote from: Jazzmaster on 12 Dec 2013, 11:01 --- "Fuckin' nerd", really? People still talk like this?
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Unfortunately yes, yes they do.
Is it cold in here?:
--- Quote from: Akima on 12 Dec 2013, 00:18 ---
--- Quote from: Penquin47 on 11 Dec 2013, 21:05 ---Marigold does not get to hold Momo's debt over her to make her do whatever Marigold wants and expect Momo to remain her friend.
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Yes, moral blackmail is a line you don't step over. Marigold certainly deserves "the look" Momo gives her. I didn't think Momo slept though, so I guess this is the equivalent of a "time out".
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Momo said she didn't need to sleep when she first talked about getting a job. On the other hand she has since talked about being able to sleep sitting up so that she doesn't require the couch to sleep on, and Jeph said something in a Q&A about all sentients needing sleep.
Jeph said Momo's difficulty finding a job was due to fictional Northampton's lousy job market. Marigold has a lot more marketable experience than Momo and can work remotely, but she still might have trouble finding a new position.
marsman57:
To start, let me note that I really don't like Marigold. She is boring, uninteresting, dramatic, insecure, and immature. She is exactly the type of person that I would likely know in real life through my nerdy social circles, would have as a friend on Facebook, but I would have absolutely no desire to go out of my way to see her despite feeling no ill will. I feel a bit more ill will toward her than I would her real life counterpart though because she is constantly thrown in my face and I can't escape her drama without discontinuing reading the strip. :)
That being said, I think she is being a bit harshly criticized here. When challenged and desperate, we as humans often lord over how good we have been to the other person. The prevailing opinion in the QC-niverse is that AI and human are equal, and therefore it can be argued that she is treating Momo in a very human way. Sure it is a bit crappy, but it is definitely not a master/slave relationship. She says, "you owe me" not "I own you". In fact, Momo is being a bit immature by running to her friend to stew rather than facing the situation there. Of course, that is just the part of me speaking that hates leaving stuff unresolved.
Also, I'll be flamed for this, but I really don't like how Jeph has slowly retconned the AI position in society and relation to the characters. Mainly creepy is the fact that some others have noted that AI really has the upper hand. It is like they have won the war without fighting it and humans are just left to think they are free. Of course, we only have a very limited view into the whole dynamic, so there may be more complicated layers than we are seeing. I mainly just don't like that we have gone from Momo calling Marigold her owner to a situation where she holds all the power in the relationship without any real "on-screen" development to show that change.
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