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[The Seldom Killer]

Oi LTK, that's veering dangerously close to use of actual determinable facts. Please keep this discussion fake, or at least reasonably spurious.

[LTK]

No one can stop me from regaling you with my facts! No one!

Blood is red because of the iron in hemoglobin. Copper-based oxygen transport, called hemocyanin, is blue.

Red fireworks are made with lithium salts and strontium salts.

Carmine is a red dye derived from carminic acid, which is extracted from an insect called the cochineal. It can cause severe allergic reactions in some people.

Mwahahahaha!

[Grognard]

I see red when I go on murderous rampages....




...oops.

[LookingIn]

...so is Pink the anti-red? it's a red color but is associated with girls, femininity, flowers, and other things thought to be weaker...

[LTK]

You get pink if you combine the opposite sides of the visible spectrum: it's a combination of red and violet. It is the anti-green.

[blacksinow]

Wouldn't that by default also make both black and white evil as well?

Or that they are linked to atrocities commited by specific nations, Brittain, Spain, Germany, America, Japan, and since nobody likes them... Canada :p

[Nikolai]

I like Canada...

[Thrillho]

Are we taking that joke seriously? For real?

[Lines]

...so is Pink the anti-red? it's a red color but is associated with girls, femininity, flowers, and other things thought to be weaker...

Actually pink used to be a color for young boys because it's a tint of red! Light blue was for girls because it symbolized the Virgin Mary. And then in the 20s for some dumb reason it switched.

[LTK]

The fact that people consider pink to be a tint of red when it is just as close to being a tint of violet further emphasises how sensitive we are to red.

[LookingIn]

The fact that people consider pink to be a tint of red when it is just as close to being a tint of violet further emphasises how sensitive we are to red.

On the contrary, most shades of pink are red with hints of white added to it to soften and lighten the color. Violet makes the red darker due to the blue in it, making reds become scarlet and crimson and other colors but not pinkish.

[LTK]

I think that depends on whether you're mixing pigments, or light.

[LookingIn]

I think that depends on whether you're mixing pigments, or light.

True...most people would know it by pigments not by light so I stand by what I said

[Loki]

Yes, they could tell from some of the pigments and from having seen quite a lot of pictures in their life.

[lepetitfromage]

My tutors have told me to start painting 4x5 and 5x6 feet, which is kind of terrifying. I've never made anything that big before, but I think they're right. I should definitely do it while i have the chance.

Not sure I'll use a lot of red though, I subconsciously steer away from that colour for some reason.

I generally do too. Pink is fair game but red is used sparingly. Like Linds, I'm partial to blue-greens. Unlike Linds, I also enjoy orange

I know they tell us to avoid it like the plague in art school but I love me a thick and juicy black outline.

[Lines]

The fact that people consider pink to be a tint of red when it is just as close to being a tint of violet further emphasises how sensitive we are to red.

One, it depends on the hue, and two, it depends on pigment vs. light and I'm pretty much always talking about pigment. I think you're talking more about the color magenta and less about baby pink (which is what I thought we were talking about?), which is a straight tint of red (usually crimson).

[Akima]

Every girl needs a Little Red Dress.

[Method of Madness]

My favourite color is probably cobalt blue, or something similar. Also I should point out, I just discovered this thread, and it almost makes me regret banning its creator. Alas, it can survive without him. Also...

(click to show/hide)

you've got red on you.

[LTK]

One, it depends on the hue, and two, it depends on pigment vs. light and I'm pretty much always talking about pigment. I think you're talking more about the color magenta and less about baby pink (which is what I thought we were talking about?), which is a straight tint of red (usually crimson).

True; I was mainly thinking of the definition of pink as light without green in it, which is indeed magenta. So I'm wrong about the perception of pink, but that does make me wonder why colour mixing works with RGB when blue isn't at the end of the spectrum. Two waves of light hitting your retina, one of 700 nm and the other of 450 nm, have the same effect as one wave of light of 400 nm. Why?

[Method of Madness]

Honestly, when I think of "pink" I think of light purple. I know that's not technically accurate, but meh.

[GarandMarine]

Every girl needs a Little Red Dress.

Yes.

Also a little black dress.

[Lines]

but that does make me wonder why colour mixing works with RGB when blue isn't at the end of the spectrum. Two waves of light hitting your retina, one of 700 nm and the other of 450 nm, have the same effect as one wave of light of 400 nm. Why?

I dunno. That's getting into Science! and not Aht! so I am clueless.

Honestly, when I think of "pink" I think of light purple. I know that's not technically accurate, but meh.

So...lavender?

[Loki]

True; I was mainly thinking of the definition of pink as light without green in it, which is indeed magenta. So I'm wrong about the perception of pink, but that does make me wonder why colour mixing works with RGB when blue isn't at the end of the spectrum. Two waves of light hitting your retina, one of 700 nm and the other of 450 nm, have the same effect as one wave of light of 400 nm. Why?

Guesswork: because perception of color isn't evenly distributed, as was said upthread. (I actually knew this because I recently researched how to recognize "dark" backgrounds vs "light" backgrounds on e.g. a webpage and adjust the font color brightness accordingly for easier reading. For anyone interested in that problem, see here)

[Metope]

My tutors have told me to start painting 4x5 and 5x6 feet, which is kind of terrifying. I've never made anything that big before, but I think they're right. I should definitely do it while i have the chance.

Not sure I'll use a lot of red though, I subconsciously steer away from that colour for some reason.

I generally do too. Pink is fair game but red is used sparingly. Like Linds, I'm partial to blue-greens. Unlike Linds, I also enjoy orange

I know they tell us to avoid it like the plague in art school but I love me a thick and juicy black outline.

My tutors never told me to avoid red, but I guess they probably didn't do it because I never used it much in the first place. I've never gotten told off for using black outlines either, but I did get told off for being lazy and using black out of the tube. They want us to mix our own blacks (using viridian green and alizarin crimson) which I can totally understand since the pre-mixed one is really dull in comparison.

[Method of Madness]

So...lavender?

No, just really light purple.

[lepetitfromage]

My tutors never told me to avoid red, but I guess they probably didn't do it because I never used it much in the first place. I've never gotten told off for using black outlines either, but I did get told off for being lazy and using black out of the tube. They want us to mix our own blacks (using viridian green and alizarin crimson) which I can totally understand since the pre-mixed one is really dull in comparison.

Ha! I used to get told that alllll the time. I was sneaky/lazy/poor (black is so much cheaper!) for a while and just mixed some viridian and alizarin into my tube black for a while but it really is worth it to mix it yourself.

[Pilchard123]

Why are reds considered warmer than blues when an object has to be hotter to produce noticeable amounts of blue light that is has to be for red?

[Method of Madness]

Are they? I thought blue was the warmest color.

[LTK]

Why are reds considered warmer than blues when an object has to be hotter to produce noticeable amounts of blue light that is has to be for red?

How is that relevant when objects that are hot enough to glow have never existed together with humans in our evolutionary history? Well, except for the sun, but sunlight has never changed.

[Method of Madness]

Wait, what?

[pwhodges]

objects that are hot enough to glow have never existed together with humans in our evolutionary history?

In the days before humanity evolved central heating, there was this thing called a "fire" which contained glowing objects - and they were never blue.

[GarandMarine]

Well. You can make fire that hot....

I also hear tell there's this thing called magma which stays in the red/yellow half of the spectrum. Red is also associated with blood, which is usually a fairly warm (literally) substance....

[LTK]

objects that are hot enough to glow have never existed together with humans in our evolutionary history?

In the days before humanity evolved central heating, there was this thing called a "fire" which contained glowing objects - and they were never blue.

I daresay that humans' ability to see colours will have evolved hundreds of thousands of years before fire was discovered. You could argue that the association between colour and temperature was only developed afterwards, but that raises the question of why we have evolved colour vision in the first place.

[Metope]

Well, the sun is always yellow or orange, and fire did exist before humans learned to control it. Fire isn't exactly a human invention... Plus, the night is always dark and cold, and the colours you can see when it's dark are mostly blue and grey-ish. Plus, ice is often light blue due to the microorganisms that can live there.

However, we don't know when the associations were developed or if they changed, but I'd argue the associations various colours had before the stone age has little impact on how we perceive things today, that their colour associations were the same as ours or not doesn't really matter.

[LookingIn]

If I remember anything from stellar science is that blue stars are the smallest and hottest stars, while red stars are the coldest and largest stars. Therefore, sometimes red does not equal hot the way we think it does 

[Pilchard123]

That's what I meant up there.

[LTK]

How easy our lives would be if the human brain perceived things in a scientifically accurate way.

[Method of Madness]

Meaning...what?

[pwhodges]

With proper measurement!

[Method of Madness]

I wish I could see more colours than I do.

[LookingIn]

That's what I meant up there.

My idiocy strikes again...

[LookingIn]

How easy our lives would be if the human brain perceived things in a scientifically accurate way.

I'd settle for being able to get the brain to get on the same page as the memory...

[Lines]

So...lavender?

No, just really light purple.

That's what lavender is... A pastel purple.

[Method of Madness]

No, I mean I think of pink itself as a very light purple.