Topic: Re: The Guitar Topic - B (Read 403799 times)

jeph · « **Reply #1200 on:** 20 Jan 2010, 15:25 »

Quote from: doombilly on 19 Jan 2010, 17:21

Fuck that, you totally need to shoplift it.

Heyo fixed the improper fitting Mustang whammy bar with some teflon tape. Played the lat two sets (1 gig, 1 practice) with my 70's single coil guitars. Such a different sound.

Also Jesus Judas Jackolantern. My Mustang is crazy heavy. I will take some pics that are detailed. Maybe one of you wood nerds, sprites or other sylvan folk can i.d. the grain and make a guess at what the body is made of. It aint Alder. Honestly it is nearly as heavy as the wife's 60's/70's franken P-bass. And all the pics of sunburst 'stangs I've seen SUCK by comparison. If I could get this burst repro'd I'd have it on every guitar. You know, when I become ridiculously wealthy and what not. (Can you shoplift a paint job?).

Every really old Fender I've ever handled has been ridiculously heavy. An ex-girlfriend had a 60's Strat she got from her grandmother that weighed more than my Les Paul. I don't know if it's the finish or denser wood or what but they just weigh a ton.

If I had to guess at the wood it'd be ash, ash can get pretty hefty depending on the kind. AFAIK Fender wasn't making guitars out of maple back then. And not all ash has that crazy intense swamp-ash grain.

Bearer · « **Reply #1201 on:** 20 Jan 2010, 16:24 »

Right. "Swamp Ash" is the southern cousin to the denser and heavier northern "baseball bat" ash. I wouldn't say it would be uncommon for a guitar to be made out of this wood. Would also make it heavy as fuck.

The Duke · « **Reply #1202 on:** 20 Jan 2010, 16:42 »

I heard the ash they use to make baseball bats is running out because of climate change or some shit. Hope that doesn't happen with the swamp ash.

Invammocon · « **Reply #1203 on:** 20 Jan 2010, 17:09 »

Quote from: The Duke on 20 Jan 2010, 14:26

Quote from: Invammocon on 19 Jan 2010, 21:21
I'm Aaron and I can't say no to novelty guitars.

The fist one should definitely be rock-horns instead.

Oh yeah, I'll just paint over it and add some giant fingers to it, that'll make it infinitely more accessable to play.
But really, it is pretty comfortable to play.

doombilly · « **Reply #1204 on:** 20 Jan 2010, 18:17 »

ok, first recon on the tele re-bridge... the gfs 'vintage style' is gonna have to go about 1/2" closer to the neck from where the other'n terminated. But I guess the string length can't be that big o' deal else if you drilled it to be string-thru it'd be way-way off. I took a shetload of pics I'll upload tomorrow if anyone is interested.
Good: The 3 holes drilled for the mexi bridge will be covered. They will be well away from the 4 holes I need to drill for the gfs bridge.
Meh: This is a lot lighter material than the bent slab of chromed crap that was in place. Ima have to make a template from the other bridge to make sure I get this bastard centered correctly.

A Wet Helmet · « **Reply #1205 on:** 20 Jan 2010, 18:34 »

I hope that I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, but your scale length (bridge to nut) has to stay the same else all your frets are in the wrong place.

doombilly · « **Reply #1206 on:** 20 Jan 2010, 19:02 »

Then I cannot use this bridge w/o routing this guitar. Which aint worth the trouble. f!

A Wet Helmet · « **Reply #1207 on:** 20 Jan 2010, 19:07 »

Can you post some pics of what is going on exactly? Maybe somebody here can offer you a kludge.

Bearer · « **Reply #1208 on:** 20 Jan 2010, 19:10 »

Just mark where the longest bridge saddle came to with the old bridge, and hen line up the new one. At most, you'll have to drill a few new holes. If the old holes are exposed, just paint them black so they don't stand out as much.

EDIT: Or, you could figure out what type of screws the saddles are attached to the back of the bridge with, and go get some longer ones. That should work fan-freaking-tasticly.

A Wet Helmet · « **Reply #1209 on:** 20 Jan 2010, 19:15 »

And that's not far off from what I'm thinking. This is why I'm asking for some pictures, because on a tele (this was a tele right?) I can't imagine what would be going on that would cause you to need to rout the body at the bridge, so I'm sure I'm just really confused about something. I bet we can come up with a solution that doesn't involve routing anything.

doombilly · « **Reply #1210 on:** 21 Jan 2010, 04:11 »

Alright, will post some images later today. Unfortunately I took all the saddles out of the old bridge to get to the string holes I was using to mark the tape put down as a guide. The deal is, this bridge is shorter. I have a bunch of pics of side/side comparisons and a dry run of putting it in the guitar.
I was thinking that the saddles should strike at about the right place as is... but if I HAD to put the back of the bridge in the exact location as the old one, I could always cut the bridge in two. Use the bridge part for the BRIDGE and then slide the other part up the 1/2" or so to hold the bridge pup...
But obviously I'd rather not. Pics soon. Thanks for the input folks.
EDIT
This is probably the most telling tele bridge fiasco pic.
FIG 1-1

See how they line up (or don't)
FIG 1-2

One more from another'n angle
FIG 1-3

More here. http://www.flickr.com/photos/theblots/

A Wet Helmet · « **Reply #1211 on:** 21 Jan 2010, 04:43 »

Ah... now I understand what's going on.

I'm running out the door for work right now, but let me ruminate on this one a bit.

Bearer · « **Reply #1212 on:** 21 Jan 2010, 09:09 »

Hmm, that is a conundrum. Maybe put the bridge pickup in place, then string the two e strings through the top load holes to line it up (don't tighten to much though).

I think as long as the verry backs of the bridges are in the same place, the worst you'll have to do is drill some new screw holes, but the old ones will be covered the bridge if my little drawing there is accurate.

doombilly · « **Reply #1213 on:** 21 Jan 2010, 09:38 »

Problem is the pickup will not fit if the backs of the bridges are lined up.

Bearer · « **Reply #1214 on:** 21 Jan 2010, 09:52 »

Oh wow, I screwed that one up, sorry, I meant as long as the pickup-slots are matched up. Try putting the bridge pickup on the bridge, then stringing up the two E's through the top-loader holes. Tighten the tuning posts until the bridge is level, then mark where the new screw holes should be. That should do the trick I think.
EDIT:

here's a better drawing

GenericName · « **Reply #1215 on:** 21 Jan 2010, 14:49 »

But then the intonation will be all off! But hopefully not too much and then you can just mess with it a lot until it works?

doombilly · « **Reply #1216 on:** 21 Jan 2010, 14:58 »

Quote from: GenericName on 21 Jan 2010, 14:49

But then the intonation will be all off! But hopefully not too much and then you can just mess with it a lot until it works?

yah, that's what I'm worried about. I already have one guitar that won't stay in tune.

EDIT
I am almost of a mind to just drill three holes on the back lip of the orig bridge and use the saddles from the new one. Wish I had a drill press...

Bearer · « **Reply #1217 on:** 21 Jan 2010, 18:05 »

Quote from: doombilly on 21 Jan 2010, 14:58

Quote from: GenericName on 21 Jan 2010, 14:49
But then the intonation will be all off! But hopefully not too much and then you can just mess with it a lot until it works?
yah, that's what I'm worried about. I already have one guitar that won't stay in tune.

EDIT
I am almost of a mind to just drill three holes on the back lip of the orig bridge and use the saddles from the new one. Wish I had a drill press...

If you string the strings through the top-load holes, you could just shorten the saddle screws until they're right. This means you'd have to top-load the strings, but you were going to do that anyway, right?

A Wet Helmet · « **Reply #1218 on:** 21 Jan 2010, 18:46 »

^^^^This. Plus, thank god for bolt on necks, if you're --you know-- like an 1/8" off, you can shim the neck out if you have to.

doombilly · « **Reply #1219 on:** 22 Jan 2010, 04:55 »

Otay buckwheats!
Yeah, it does not have holes drilled for string thru. Seemed like that was unnecessary. I'll give it a whirl. And report back with probably more info that you care to hear about.

Bearer · « **Reply #1220 on:** 22 Jan 2010, 07:10 »

Please do! Every musician should know how to fix up or make their own instrument unique! Make stuff no one's ever heard of. Example: a short scale Thinline Telecaster Bass this guy made out of a squire shorty bass and an old tele body:

If made out of a heavy wood like walnut or mahogany and played with a thick enough strap, neck dive issue is basically solved. Is this awesome? Very yes!

doombilly · « **Reply #1221 on:** 22 Jan 2010, 07:46 »

haha, I wish my Black Widow held a better tuning. They had a few things right, unless a lightweight intrument is your desire. The Stop piece behind the bridge is just a gigantic block of chromed steel screwed down to the body. That thing is probably 6 ounces on its own. The nut, a piece of chromed steel with 6 holes drilled. (It has a zero fret). Wish the neck weren't so oddball. I ended up shimming the gap on the side of the neck I mentioned before. I cut a rectangled piece out of an electronic receptacle box. Just jammed it in there. Now the G stays in better tune but the b is a little more problematic. Also sometimes the strings go sharp, then flat, then keep going back/forth. Anyway, my wife is going out of town Sunday, hopefully I'll get some time to work on the tele then. Got some roof repairs to do too though...

NotAFanOfFenders · « **Reply #1222 on:** 22 Jan 2010, 07:47 »

That bass is not helping me deal with my tele/thinline-gas.

David_Dovey · « **Reply #1223 on:** 22 Jan 2010, 20:54 »

Quote from: Bearer on 22 Jan 2010, 07:10

a short scale Thinline Telecaster Bass

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Ballard · « **Reply #1224 on:** 23 Jan 2010, 13:43 »

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NotAFanOfFenders · « **Reply #1225 on:** 23 Jan 2010, 14:47 »

Quote from: David_Dovey on 22 Jan 2010, 20:54

Quote from: Bearer on 22 Jan 2010, 07:10
a short scale Thinline Telecaster Bass

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Quote from: Ballard on 23 Jan 2010, 13:43

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Christophe · « **Reply #1226 on:** 23 Jan 2010, 15:42 »

AHHHH C'MON FFFFFFFFFFF A GUY

doombilly · « **Reply #1227 on:** 23 Jan 2010, 17:32 »

click pic for moar

Melodic · « **Reply #1228 on:** 23 Jan 2010, 17:51 »

fix pic for moar

doombilly · « **Reply #1229 on:** 23 Jan 2010, 17:53 »

huh, does this not work?
http://picasaweb.google.com/illicitizen/Guitars
I aint drunk, just drinking...

Melodic · « **Reply #1230 on:** 23 Jan 2010, 17:55 »

Oops... there's nothing to see here. Either you do not have access to these photos, or they don't exist at this web address. Please contact the owner directly to gain access.

Spluff · « **Reply #1231 on:** 23 Jan 2010, 17:59 »

It works for me.

doombilly · « **Reply #1232 on:** 23 Jan 2010, 17:59 »

Gol durn intreewebz
http://picasaweb.google.com/illicitizen/Guitars#
How about now?

Melodic · « **Reply #1233 on:** 23 Jan 2010, 23:10 »

you fixed the intertewbs.

Patrick · « **Reply #1234 on:** 23 Jan 2010, 23:29 »

Fuck my sister, that's a gorgeous Mustang.

doombilly · « **Reply #1235 on:** 24 Jan 2010, 05:15 »

yeah, I think Jeph was right. Maybe it is ASH (Not swampy). Crazy to use this as my Parker backup as it is easily twice as heavy AND a short scale. It was the only USAmerican guitar in Dellington's Pawn shop of Washington NC. I almost lost it to someone else the day i went to put in on layaway. 10 weeks and $200 later it came home with me. But I really love the burst on that. I used to try to get all my guitars in a burst but most just did not look that good. Kinda spoiled me...

NotAFanOfFenders · « **Reply #1236 on:** 24 Jan 2010, 06:59 »

Got any more pictures of that jazzbox?

doombilly · « **Reply #1237 on:** 24 Jan 2010, 08:01 »

Quote from: NotAFanOfFenders on 24 Jan 2010, 06:59

Got any more pictures of that jazzbox?

Just took some. Will post later.

Guys! Bridge is on. Gonna walk some chihuahuas before I string up the mexi red. What's the best thing to take sharpie ink off of chrome?

Patrick · « **Reply #1238 on:** 24 Jan 2010, 10:44 »

Rubbing alcohol. Sharpies and most permanent markers are alcohol-based.

doombilly · « **Reply #1239 on:** 24 Jan 2010, 11:05 »

Woot, did a whole set up myself using this:
http://www.fender.com/support/telecaster_setup_guide.php
-and a modicum of common sense. I need to get me a decent steel ruler and some feeler gauges. Bu tI kind of let my ear, the tuner and the lack/presence of string buzz be my guide. I don't know if it the bridge or that I reset the pickup heights but this thing sounds like a bear now. Growwwwwwllllll!

Also moar guitarded pics here: http://picasaweb.google.com/illicitizen/Guitars#

NOTE: All my guitars are kind of grimey. Except for the parts that work, do things. Also I have not washed a car I own in almost 10 yrs. So, sorry about the filth. I know a lot of guys are more careful and clean. I really should rent myself out as a guitar relic-er-er-er.

Bearer · « **Reply #1240 on:** 24 Jan 2010, 11:11 »

The brass saddles are supposed to make the tone of a tele more beefy, so maybe that could be it. Awesome to see it on there! How's the intonation?

doombilly · « **Reply #1241 on:** 24 Jan 2010, 11:28 »

Actually I think after considerable adjustment, it intonates better than it did. The E/A saddle, I had to keep backing it up. The D/G was one of those, "I'll split the difference" moments. One was going a bit sharp on the 12th fret, the other a tad flat. I actually increated the bow of the neck as it kept buzzing in random places. The high E used to be a problem because the saddle would flip over or the @$%^#$ height adj allen would back out while playing. So the string buzz/relief issue might have been going on with the other bridge. Only I couldn't hear it over my cussing the thing.

I'll get soome guages and set the pickups to a standard height, I guess. I kind of like its new found mean-assed sound. But I'm likely losing some sustain if the poles are too close to the strings, I reckon.

Also I was really surprised at how well the bridge pickup was wired and glad I didn't have to clip it and re-solder. Volume pot is a wee bit wobbly too. Anyone have opinions on the merits of going to a higher impedance pot on a single coil?

A Wet Helmet · « **Reply #1242 on:** 24 Jan 2010, 12:49 »

Quote from: doombilly on 24 Jan 2010, 11:28

Anyone have opinions on the merits of going to a higher impedance pot on a single coil?

Unless you're swapping the pickup to a bucker, something active, or something seriously hot and probably ceramic instead of AlNiCo, don't.

jeph · « **Reply #1243 on:** 25 Jan 2010, 00:12 »

Tom Anderson came out with a full-on Les Paul clone.

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David_Dovey · « **Reply #1244 on:** 25 Jan 2010, 00:50 »

Fffffffffffffffffffffff

-uck flame maple.

NotAFanOfFenders · « **Reply #1245 on:** 25 Jan 2010, 05:53 »

Fffffffffffffff-

-uck you, flamed maple is perfectly legit on some guitars, including that.

Patrick · « **Reply #1246 on:** 25 Jan 2010, 13:05 »

Quote from: jeph on 25 Jan 2010, 00:12

Tom Anderson came out with a full-on Les Paul clone.

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Anybody else notice that the bridge and tailpiece are recessed into the maple? That's an interesting idea...

jeph · « **Reply #1247 on:** 25 Jan 2010, 13:09 »

Quote from: David_Dovey on 25 Jan 2010, 00:50

Fffffffffffffffffffffff

-uck flame maple.

hurf durf I don't understand one of the most basic traditions of Les Paul style guitars dating back to the 1950s

glyphic · « **Reply #1248 on:** 25 Jan 2010, 14:00 »

In some parts of Asia, it is tradition to drown females upon birth.

Patrick · « **Reply #1249 on:** 25 Jan 2010, 14:06 »

Yeah but dude I'm gonna have to side with Jeph on this one. As long as it's not flamed maple that looks like the Great Chicago Fire (I AM LOOKING AT YOU, PRS), and instead looks like maybe a nice crackling fireplace, then it is fine.

I still think Explorers are worthless instruments though.

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