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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #2200 on: 19 Dec 2010, 11:57 »

You give a shit about the finish on a guitar that looks like nobody gave a fuck in the first place? The only reason I like it is because it's playable to hell and it's got the bridge 'bucker and the P90 in the neck. If you've never played one through a Blues Junior, do it immediately.
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« Reply #2201 on: 20 Dec 2010, 08:42 »

Rargh. Got sniped at the last minute on a version 5 Op-Amp Big Muff from the late 70s. CURSE YOU, EBAY. It jumped from $60 to $149.50 alarmingly quick.

edit: Anyone have any pedals from Stomp Under Foot or Made By Mike? I'm kinda thinking about either getting the Pumpkin Pi (SUF) or the 78 IC (MbM). Could use some feedback from people that aren't all omg boutique pedal tonelawyerz.
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« Reply #2202 on: 22 Dec 2010, 13:51 »

boutique pedalllllls

i brought my geiger counter to a jam and someone had a 6/1 splitter. so we had two guitars, an electric ukelele, and an electric violin all nutting out ridiculously distorted synth lines.
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« Reply #2203 on: 22 Dec 2010, 21:09 »

If you happened to record that I would be interested to hear a sample of that.
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« Reply #2204 on: 22 Dec 2010, 21:42 »

I've never played out of an SUF but I've heard nothing but good things. I almost pulled the trigger on one a while ago but I ended up buying an EQD Sound shank instead.
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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #2205 on: 23 Dec 2010, 07:34 »

Do you think swapping my Blues Jr for a Swart AST would be worth the money, considering I'm almost exclusively a bedroom player?

Discuss.
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« Reply #2206 on: 23 Dec 2010, 07:54 »

Marshall Class 5, babydoll.
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« Reply #2207 on: 23 Dec 2010, 08:13 »

No master volume, no can do. I like distortion as much as anyone, but I need to be able to distort while keeping the actual volume way low.
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« Reply #2208 on: 23 Dec 2010, 08:19 »

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« Reply #2209 on: 23 Dec 2010, 08:26 »

Interesting link. I was also looking at the Swart Night Light. But that's just one more thing that I gotta buy.

Not that I don't like buying guitar gear, but most of my money is already spoken for.

I'm thinking of buying a low-watt tube head of good quality and pairing it with something like a 1x15 or 1x20 cab. I like low watt amps but they usually come with tiny speakers that ruin the sound. What do you guys think of this idea?
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« Reply #2210 on: 23 Dec 2010, 08:43 »

No master volume, no can do. I like distortion as much as anyone, but I need to be able to distort while keeping the actual volume way low.

SUPER HARD ONNNNNNNNNNNN. Are you on OSG? There's a guy selling a clone on there for $75. Same dude I got my vintage MXR distortion from, actually.
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« Reply #2211 on: 23 Dec 2010, 09:23 »

Just joined it, thanks for the tip. (Great, another forum to monitor...)

Can you link the thread here? I'm not finding it over there. Thanks!
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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #2212 on: 23 Dec 2010, 09:47 »

It's in the for sale section. Only accessible if you've got 50+ posts. If you join, send a PM over to peterherman.
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« Reply #2213 on: 23 Dec 2010, 13:02 »

So I got a trade offer for my EC-1000. A Fender Lead 1, which I didn't go for, and just now a Tiny Terror. Fuck people and their vintage-correct gear, I want my Chugga chuggas and meedley meedleys.

(Disclaimer: I do like vintagey gear, honestly)
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« Reply #2214 on: 23 Dec 2010, 20:56 »

I really like the EC-1000.  A friend of mine in a post-rock band plays with one and they are just fun to use. 

I want a super duper two-in-one pretty bad.  If I were to name a pedal that combined two super hard ons I probably would have gone with something classier like the Large Hard On Collider or some other meme.  Regardless, it is toward the top of my acquisition list.

The THD Hotplate will do everything you want and need for your amp except fit in your budget.  It is kind of a must have for my DeVille since its only two settings seem to be "Loud" and "Get The Cops Called On You At 1:30PM".  So it's pretty ideal if you have a powerful tube amp that you want to gig and practice with.  More of something to keep in mind.
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« Reply #2215 on: 24 Dec 2010, 06:50 »

I really like the EC-1000.  A friend of mine in a post-rock band plays with one and they are just fun to use. 


I love mine too, it's just that I'm selling off my six-strings to finance a new rig, 6505 with an Orange ppc412hp, bitches. ...Or an Axe-fx, but I'm not exactly loaded. Also, why are there no DiMarzio dealers in Norway? It's all Duncan Donuts over here.

In other news, I've come to the realization that I've never played a strat (USA, Mexican or Japanese) that plays as smoothly as my Charvel. I like strats in theory but I've never liked the feel of them. Does anyone have any recommendations for strats beyond Fender? I'm thinking of picking one of these up too: http://www.rondomusic.com/sentinelvwh.html
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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #2216 on: 24 Dec 2010, 08:14 »

You people have some really nice gear!

My Electra:



Thats just my baby practice amp in the picture, my "real" amp is a Hot Rod Deluxe + 2 x 12" speaker cab.

The story i got with this guitar is that an old blues musician came to the shop and sold off most of his gear because all the other members of his band were dead. He was the only one left.

Oh. before anyone mentions it, i didnt put that single coil in the bridge, i bought it like that. I never fixed it because the neck pickup is the best sounding thing ive ever heard, so i had no need.
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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #2217 on: 24 Dec 2010, 11:10 »

Interesting link. I was also looking at the Swart Night Light. But that's just one more thing that I gotta buy.

Not that I don't like buying guitar gear, but most of my money is already spoken for.

I'm thinking of buying a low-watt tube head of good quality and pairing it with something like a 1x15 or 1x20 cab. I like low watt amps but they usually come with tiny speakers that ruin the sound. What do you guys think of this idea?

Why in the world would anybody ever need anything larger than a 12" speaker for playing guitar

10" or 12" sound miles better than 15 or 20 ever would for guitar. If you need more bass response, don't use an open-back cabinet.
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« Reply #2218 on: 24 Dec 2010, 11:51 »

Well, some Metal guitarists use Woofer cabs with 15" speakers to get more low end. Dimebag did it, as far as I know.

Christian Olde Wolbers (ex-Fear Factory) also did it, but he sucks. Despite that, Scott Hull (aka. God) does it with Pig Destroyer so therefore it is officially A Cool Thing.
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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #2219 on: 26 Dec 2010, 12:24 »

If you need more bass response, don't use an open-back cabinet.
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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #2220 on: 26 Dec 2010, 12:56 »

Well, nobody uses openback cabs. What are you on about Patrick?!
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« Reply #2221 on: 26 Dec 2010, 13:57 »

Unless you count this.

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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #2222 on: 26 Dec 2010, 14:33 »

i may or may not have a pod x3 and an rc-2 spewing wires around my room right now
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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #2223 on: 26 Dec 2010, 15:40 »

Gene there is a difference between using an empty, false cabinet and using a cabinet where the back has been removed to allow for greater treble and midrange response in the speaker.
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« Reply #2224 on: 26 Dec 2010, 21:08 »

Yes I'm sure he didn't know that either
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« Reply #2225 on: 27 Dec 2010, 00:12 »

I still don't get why open backed cabinets are even mentioned in a conversation about bass response.
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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #2226 on: 27 Dec 2010, 02:32 »

To some extent, but a lot of Metal guitarists crave more low end, and as such use closedback cabinet (like everyone else) in conjunction with 15" bass cabs. Granted, I don't completely agree that this is necessary if you actually have a bassplayer, but bassplayer-less bands like Pig Destroyer, Salome, Wormrot and a whole bunch others can make good use of it.
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« Reply #2227 on: 27 Dec 2010, 10:56 »

It's cool, I'm a total noob about basically everything guitar- and amp-related. Was just a noobish idea from my noobish head. :)

In other news, I got a Focusrite Saffire Pro 24 DSP for Christmas! :)
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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #2228 on: 27 Dec 2010, 11:59 »

Thats just my baby practice amp in the picture, my "real" amp is a Hot Rod Deluxe + 2 x 12" speaker cab.

your practice amp was my actual amp until i blew the speaker.

buying an amp today, i think, does anyone have any recs? here's what my band's like if you haven't heard it or forgot except now we're a three-piece so in addition to maintaining the like lightly abrasive tone it also needs volume. i was playing a fender deville that i really liked for our last gig, it was a borrowed amp.
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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #2229 on: 27 Dec 2010, 13:19 »

Here just figure out how I'm gonna get transported over and I'll just play rhythm guitar for you dude
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« Reply #2230 on: 27 Dec 2010, 13:20 »

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« Reply #2231 on: 27 Dec 2010, 13:56 »

Guys, should I buy a Super Hard On? I have an amazon giftcard burning a hole in my pocket and theres one going for cheap.
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« Reply #2232 on: 27 Dec 2010, 23:44 »

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i have a wmd, a lil big muff, and a loop pedal, feeding into a pod. but since all four of those things have volume controls i don't really know what any of them should be. the rc-2, at the least, clips pretty easily, so i have to keep high gain down until it comes up in the loop.
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« Reply #2233 on: 28 Dec 2010, 02:30 »

Why don't you try plugging the Pod output into the looper's input, then out from there into whatever you're recording to

God this is another reason why I don't like those bloody Pods, they generally do not come with an effects loop. Does yours? If you're using a looper pedal you really oughta get something with an effects loop.
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« Reply #2234 on: 28 Dec 2010, 02:57 »

If his is a rack mount like I think it is, it should. Mine is an older generation, but it still says it has a "stereo effects loop". I don't really do much more with mine than plug in an amp and speakers, though.

fake edit: Huh. Apparently they have three different Pod X3 models. So maybe I'm wrong.
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« Reply #2235 on: 28 Dec 2010, 03:32 »

Hm. Maybe I was just looking at the wrong model then. I don't see what reason there should ever be for a multi-effect/amp modeling pedal to not support an external effects loop. Sure, it does everything, but does it do it the way I want it done? That and there is the issue of tweakability, signal fidelity issues inherent in digital equipment, and a lack of external variables that, to me, make musicmaking the well of limitless curiosity that it is to me.

Now, to expound that last sentence, for the sake of debate re: Pod vs. amp and pedals. Go ahead and tell me all about that hella sweet tone you found with your Pod. That's pretty interesting, sure!

Then I'll show you a tone setting that I found with my amp and my pedals, and then I'll show you what happens when I move the mic even an inch from where it had previously been. And then I'll show you what happens when I use a different mic. Then I'll move the amp and my pedals into a different room. Then I'll use two mics, a dedicated amp mic and a mic to pick up the sound of the walls resonating with the sound of my amp.

I mean, if you're just going for consistency, well, alright, all yours dude. But the only application I can think of that would really merit something like that would be in live performance situations. You can sound exactly like you did on your first album and then switch it up to the sound you had on your third, and you don't have to have a bunch of amps or pedals! If you're touring, more power to you!

But if you're recording, I really don't see why you would use a Pod for innovation. There is so much to take advantage of when you decline to use modeling technology, so much to experiment with, and so many variables that will alter the sound you produce which might ultimately inspire you to put that specific sound to another use. Hell, even the phase and location of the moon affects how your amp tubes (if applicable to your rig) process sound.
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« Reply #2236 on: 28 Dec 2010, 05:31 »

Why? Because name me something else that gives me this quality sound and this many options for this cheap. I'm a broke college student, with a lot of expensive hobbies. I got my pod pro for $100.
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« Reply #2237 on: 28 Dec 2010, 05:38 »

Plus living in an apartment building + recording with real amps = eviction.
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« Reply #2238 on: 28 Dec 2010, 05:44 »

Is it possible to record from the headphone out? That would still remove Patrick's arguments about adjusting the sound by microphone selection and placement. Just wondering.
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« Reply #2239 on: 28 Dec 2010, 05:54 »

Yeah, I've recorded for ages with a cable from the output of my POD into my iMac. It's not the greatest by any stretch, but decent enough for demoing stuff at home.
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« Reply #2240 on: 28 Dec 2010, 06:07 »

Is it possible to record from the headphone out? That would still remove Patrick's arguments about adjusting the sound by microphone selection and placement. Just wondering.

I also forgot to mention the glory of feedback.

And Lummer that is not the experience I've had with apartment buildings and amps. There's the garage. And you can always record on weekdays while yr neighbors are off at work if there is no garage.

In Luxembourg, our apartment building also had an underground storage unit for each apartment. Handy as fuck for those of us with a love of loud noises.
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« Reply #2241 on: 28 Dec 2010, 06:35 »

I am usually one of "the neighbours that are off at work." so... My experience is vastly different.
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« Reply #2242 on: 28 Dec 2010, 07:06 »

Okay, after me playing acoustic guitar for about a year (consistently), a friend of mine wants to play music together but he's thinking more electric, so...

I have 250 (350 dollars)(probably push to 300 but that would be painful to my bank accounts) I can spend on an electric guitar + amp. What do I do?
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« Reply #2243 on: 28 Dec 2010, 07:10 »

I am a broke student who is buying a tube amp and effects pedals because while I can always eat ramen all semester, I can't get an awesome sound out of a pod.
I would much rather play through a tube amp and have a limited scope of sounds , but the perfect ones for what I want to do. Because that is what quality equipment is all about.
Also, I will probably own this amp, whatever I buy for the next thirty years, so you know..

My dorm building has a soundproof room in it especially for those of us who like very loud noises, which is awesome.
Yeah, you'll own that amp for 30 years. And the other one you buy when you want a different sound. And the other one you just fell in love with. And several guitars. We all know how this hobby goes, you don't buy one amp and live with it your whole life.

It's not a matter of cutting down on luxuries to buy something more expensive. It's a matter of getting something within my budget or opening a line of credit, I don't have other expenses to cut down on. I've got a policy of not spending money I don't have.

edit: Staedler, look on craigslist is my best suggestion.
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« Reply #2244 on: 28 Dec 2010, 07:50 »

Nodaisho: Right on. I'm impressed that you won't spend money you don't have, especially on guitar equipment. That kind of responsibility took me about 35 years to acquire. And you're so right about the endless cycle of wanting new gear. I say if the pod sounds good enough to you, stick with it and ignore the naysayers. When you're good enough to record an album or go on tour, you will probably also have the funding for better equipment.

I'm a beginning guitarist, but I've already figured out that no amount of gear is going to make you play better. It seems the vast majority of guitarists (especially on TGP, of course) have yet to figure that out.


StaedlerMars: I second the vote for Craigslist. There are *always* a few different listings for guitar+amp combos around that price range. Don't expect a great guitar or a great amp, but it can get you started. There is a danger with buying crappy gear right off the bat, though. If it sounds like shit, you probably won't keep playing it.

I had a very limited budget when I went electric shopping and I'm happy with my setup. I have an Ibanez AS73 semi-hollow (around $200 used) and a Fender Blues Jr tube amp (around $250 used). There are plenty of other guitar and amp choices in that price range, too. MIM Fender guitars can be very cheap and still good.
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« Reply #2245 on: 28 Dec 2010, 08:42 »

Thats just my baby practice amp in the picture, my "real" amp is a Hot Rod Deluxe + 2 x 12" speaker cab.

your practice amp was my actual amp until i blew the speaker.


Do you know what it is? (nevermind i found it) I got mine at a pawnshop super cheap and they couldnt tell me much about it, looks like someone took the stickers off the back or something.

It works really well for my apartment, its basically got a "smaller" version of the sound from my Deluxe.

Also guys i finally looked up my Electra, it's an 1981 X420 ES 335 copy (sans f-holes) and was apparently the most expensive guitar Electra ever produced? This is what my google told me.

I just put flat wounds on it and it sounds INCREDIBLE.

ANOTHER EDIT: Question - How impossible is it to put a P90 in a guitar routed for humbuckers? For example...my guitar?
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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #2246 on: 28 Dec 2010, 09:01 »

Way I see it is that you could buy yourself a stagg piece of shit and then discover that the higher end epiphones are actually worth playing a few months down the line. sure, a good amp costs money, and so do effects, but you won't be needing a new good amp as quick as you will when you're just working with a pod. Long term, that's just going to cause you an even bigger headache.
What will I need a real amp for? I can practice with a pod through an old stereo amp and speakers, or through headphones. If I gig, I can plug it into the PA. I can record with it. If I wanted to do the environmental stuff I could play through the amp and speakers and record with a mic.
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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #2247 on: 28 Dec 2010, 10:39 »

Um so I guess Xaviere/Guitar Fetish redesigned the JT series.




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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #2248 on: 28 Dec 2010, 10:54 »

I would do naughty naughy things for that white one. White jazzmasters with tort pickguards make the front of my pants feel tight.
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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #2249 on: 28 Dec 2010, 11:03 »

Holy F*, those beauties are $229 brand-freaking-new??!?!?!

I swore off buying new guitars because of the depreciation, but wow. I might have to break that week-old promise.
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