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[Method of Madness]

Ha, it's a fake label saying an animal is best before death not to eat, but it's just better alive. They want the killed on date to remind people it was a living animal once. I mean...I get it, but it backfires because a killed on date would also be useful for practical reasons.

What I would really like is to get a label telling me the name and location of the farm, what kind of stock the animal came from, what terrain it was raised in, the population density in housing, feed types and feeding regimen, slaughtering process, slaughter date, hanging time, storage methods, and jointing date.

This reminds me of a Portlandia sketch where a couple goes to a restaurant that shows them details about the chicken they're going to eat, including, if I recall, his name and hobbies.

[Metope]

Yeah. Also that kind of labeling will never happen, since only a minority of farms and slaughterhouses operate ethically sound. Nooo way factory farms would ever let people know how their animals are treated.

[Loki]

And look at those shiny laws they got themselves.

[explicit]

I'd just like to know the animal's name before I eat it.

[Kugai]

[GarandMarine]

I never understand why people rag on hunters. It's about as ethical as you can get for sourcing meat. Conservation friendly too!

[explicit]

I never understand why people rag on hunters. It's about as ethical as you can get for sourcing meat. Conservation friendly too!

Except the poaching, of course. But yeah, fuck deer. So hard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL9xCWphV8s

[SubaruStephen]

Also, while I like the idea of a kill date on it, the vast majority of meat eaters know little about the meat preparation process through the slaughterhouse and onward. What I would really like is to get a label telling me the name and location of the farm, what kind of stock the animal came from, what terrain it was raised in, the population density in housing, feed types and feeding regimen, slaughtering process, slaughter date, hanging time, storage methods, and jointing date.

Whole Foods does that (at least the one on Madison's West Side does)

[SubaruStephen]

This reminds me of a Portlandia sketch where a couple goes to a restaurant that shows them details about the chicken they're going to eat, including, if I recall, his name and hobbies.

I thought that was kind of ripping off a small scene from Douglas Adams's Restaurant at the End of the Universe.

[Grognard]

white tail deer used to be near-endangered in the Eastern US.
not anymore.
now days, they're borderline nuisance animals.
it is because they've gotten so populous, that the Wasting Disease has killed so many.
and even with a 20% die off, they're so many that several states are looking at
increasing the bag limits for hunting.
The 'resurgence' of the American Chestnut tree was nipped in the bud by the deer population explosion of the 70s.

Yeah. fuck deer.  I just wished I could've afforded a hunting license this year. 

[explicit]

Slightly relevant, this talk just reminded me of this comic

http://www.stuartmcmillen.com/comics_en/st-matthew-island/

[Grognard]

with the St. Matthew island situation, that was a HUGE natural resource wastage.
by my reckoning, starting in 1960, if 1500-1700 animals per year had been harvested, there would still be a healthy herd  on the island today.
Given that the North American Caribou/Reindeer average nearly 200kg, that is a mind boggling waste.

it's like having a cattle herd and not tending to it.

[Method of Madness]

I'd just like to know the animal's name before I eat it.

His name was Robert Paulson. His name was Robert Paulson.

[RedWolf4]

First rule of Dairy Queen, you do not talk about Dairy Queen.

Second Rule of Dairy Queen, YOU DO NOT. TALK. ABOUT DAIRY QUEEN!

[GarandMarine]

Don't wanna do hard drugs but feel like confusing yourself and hurting whatever approximates your soul? Want to simulate a rave without a hangover but with slightly better music? Watch this. Warning NSF Work, Children, Sane people and people with heart conditions.

http://animatorexpo.com/mememe/

[explicit]

My brain got confused. Also, I bonered and anti-bonered so many times watching that that I believe my wiener is also confused. I need to go lay down.

[pwhodges]

[Thrillho]

I never understand why people rag on hunters. It's about as ethical as you can get for sourcing meat. Conservation friendly too!

Except the poaching, of course. But yeah, fuck deer. So hard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL9xCWphV8s

The 'cunt faggot nigger' bit of this sounds reeeeeally off out of context.

[Akima]

Putting a "killed on" date on food packaging says nothing about how the animals are treated. I think it is a fantasy that people somehow don't know that animals are killed for food. Sure they prefer to distance themselves from it, in the same way that they prefer to distance themselves from violence against humans by hiring cops and soldiers to do the skull-cracking and life-taking for them. But that does not mean that they do not know; it is just gift wrapping on not actually caring. Wrapping yourself in a white sheet because you only buy free-range is essentially a displacement activity, ignoring the roughly 80% of humanity that lives on less than US$10 per day now, but quite understandably aspires to eating diets as rich in protein as yours. Take a look at this map, and imagine everyone in Africa, China, and India eating as much meat as you...


Forum regulars know that I do not eat meat, and I do not believe there is a "right" way to raise and slaughter animals for the table. For obvious reasons, I'm not exactly a fan of hunting. I think there are more efficient and humane ways than hunting of controlling non-human animal populations in the grotesquely unbalanced ecosystems that we have created (and then we blame the deer!!!). I have a modest proposal for ethical hunting: The hunters should be licensed to hunt each other, and the mutual consent would remove the ethical problem. If they choose to eat their kills, so be it. Bon appétit!

[Thrillho]

My (now ex) girlfriend took the attitude that she only ate the meat of animals she thought she could kill with her bare hands in the wild. A weirdly logical approach, I thought. So largely prawns, fish. Smaller things.

[Metope]

Fish and prawns are tricky, and probably the worst things you can eat if you want to save the environment, since in our part of the world the stuff you get in stores are mostly fished with trawls, which wrecks the ocean bottom and is extremely wasteful since they fish a LOT in one go and throw out everything they don't need (which is most of it). In theory it might work, in reality it's not the best approach.

[Masterpiece]

My sister has killed a chicken because of the same reasoning, Gareth. She says she only thought it was weird because the chicken ran away midway through cutting its head off.

[Thrillho]

Fish and prawns are tricky, and probably the worst things you can eat if you want to save the environment, since in our part of the world the stuff you get in stores are mostly fished with trawls, which wrecks the ocean bottom and is extremely wasteful since they fish a LOT in one go and throw out everything they don't need (which is most of it). In theory it might work, in reality it's notably the best approach.

Her concerns were not environmental anyway.

[hedgie]

I never understand why people rag on hunters. It's about as ethical as you can get for sourcing meat. Conservation friendly too!

Except the poaching, of course. But yeah, fuck deer. So hard.

I have a problem with hunters who don't use as much of the animal as possible, or kill in an inhumane manner.  But if a hunter takes out Bambi or Daffy or Bugs with one shot, and makes as much use of the carcass as possible, I respect that.  I do have an uncle who hunts occasionally (he used to more frequently), who believes that no one should be allowed to eat meat as an adult if they haven't at least once killed it theirselves.

[Pilchard123]

Too many points!

[ev4n]

Also, while I like the idea of a kill date on it, the vast majority of meat eaters know little about the meat preparation process through the slaughterhouse and onward. What I would really like is to get a label telling me the name and location of the farm, what kind of stock the animal came from, what terrain it was raised in, the population density in housing, feed types and feeding regimen, slaughtering process, slaughter date, hanging time, storage methods, and jointing date.

Most of the time, we know exactly where our meat and veggies come from.  Sure, some stuff comes from a supermarket, that's inevitable.

[94ssd]

I never understand why people rag on hunters. It's about as ethical as you can get for sourcing meat. Conservation friendly too!

Except the poaching, of course. But yeah, fuck deer. So hard.

Yes, it is us fixing problems we created, but deer overpopulation can be a major ecological problem.

[explicit]

I guess I shouldn't eat as much meat as I do because of the slew of environmental degradation it causes (especially the fish and beef industry). It's definitely one of the things I let myself be a complete hypocrite about. I do always try to finish my food at least. Higher trophic levels first of course, just in case I don't finish.

[lepetitfromage]

I have no problem with people hunting at all- go for it! It's a great way to feed your family for cheap (and I know of some people that just want an excuse to shoot things...at least it's productive to do it that way).

My problem is the fact that my Facebook feed turns into a bloodbath on the first day of hunting season. You can almost hear every post yelling "Look what I did!". It tapers off after that to just a few dead animals a week but the first day is sickening.



I understand that the meat I eat comes from animals- that doesn't mean I want to watch the entire process, regardless of how "humane" it is.

[Neko_Ali]

My only problem with hunting are the 'sport hunters' The ones who do it just to kill something and then brag about it.

[LeeC]

[Masterpiece]

Whut

[cesium133]

I have to admit that when I read "pikachu to roll over on his side and..." I was somewhat horrified at what I expected to come next. 

[LeeC]

[osaka]

So Sherlock 3x01 is airing right now on Spanish TV, and some in-series Sherlock fan had the theory that Sherlock faked his death because he was going to run away with Moriarty.

I DIDN'T KNOW HOW MUCH I SHIPPED THAT UNTIL RIGHT NOW.

[Method of Madness]

You wanted Sherlock to leave Watson for Moriarty? You monster!

[osaka]

BUT THEY'RE A PERFECT FIT!!!!

[Blue Kitty]

so i was in the shipyard area in paris and i saw this boat off in the distance by itself



so i swam up to it


and what i found was a man shaking and muttering to himself, a dead body, and 20 cats

[BeoPuppy]

BUT THEY'RE A PERFECT FIT!!!!

... TMI much?

[Sorflakne]

I never understand why people rag on hunters. It's about as ethical as you can get for sourcing meat. Conservation friendly too!

Those who rag on hunters typically don't realize that hunters are among the largest contributors to conservation efforts.  Where do you think the money for game licenses and whatnot goes?

And yes, I eat what I kill.  I hunt because one, I like the taste of the meat better ("gamey" is called flavor, people, something that beef and pork lacks).  Two, I know exactly where my meat came from and how it was processed.  Three, I'm not contributing to the pollution generated by factory farms.  And four, the meat isn't loaded with hormones, antibiotics, and other chemicals.  Just some of the reasons why I take my own meat.

[Aziraphale]

I never understand why people rag on hunters. It's about as ethical as you can get for sourcing meat. Conservation friendly too!

Those who rag on hunters typically don't realize that hunters are among the largest contributors to conservation efforts.  Where do you think the money for game licenses and whatnot goes?

And yes, I eat what I kill.  I hunt because one, I like the taste of the meat better ("gamey" is called flavor, people, something that beef and pork lacks).  Two, I know exactly where my meat came from and how it was processed.  Three, I'm not contributing to the pollution generated by factory farms.  And four, the meat isn't loaded with hormones, antibiotics, and other chemicals.  Just some of the reasons why I take my own meat.

I have no problem with hunters (just don't get me started on killing for sport). Minor quibble: beef, chicken, and pork don't lack flavor if they're raised properly. It's just the industrial crap that's tasteless and largely interchangeable.

[Zebediah]

[LeeC]

[Blue Kitty]

[osaka]

"When Dale first saw Marigold".

New headcanon.

[J]

[osaka]

Urge... to praise... nigh-overwhelming... Must... not... break... into... gospel choir...

[explicit]

Reminds me of this one (cause... ships... shut up)

[hedgie]

Yeah, old joke/Urban Legend, but still amusing as hell, for the major power to be taken down a notch.

[explicit]

Ya, they're both pretty old, but still funny.

I just didn't have any other nautical jokes.