There's been much talk about the undeserved hate Dora can get on this board, but not so much about the undeserved hate Sven seems to get : Let's reorient the discussion towards that. What exactly has Sven done to warrant being called an ass/manipulator/toxic/etc by some people on here? Because the situations I seem to recall Sven being are :
- Sleeping with a bunch of women, but I can't remember seeing much about how the women felt after the "relationship" was over. One may assume he's been using/manipulating, but I don't think we have solid grounds for that.
- He did hurt Faye. But let's remember the context : Faye was basically putting themselves in a "relationship" demanding commitment (or sacrifices) from Sven, but not so much from Faye. People also tend to put aside the fact that the relationship ultimately hurt Sven a lot more than it did Faye.
- Having everything too easy and angering Dora because of it.
- Being generally cool and honest to people, though sometimes having trouble grasping the concepts of other people around him not having it as easy.
- Giving Hanners a good time, and being a gentleman about it.
- Being confused at how Faye had "changed" him.
- Being boldly honest with Faye, though at a very wrong time for her. Then again, context : he's spent most of the time since the Faye relationship thinking about her, unable to find other girls interesting anymore, and being generally unhappy about the way things turned out. It came to him as an epiphany that he really was in love with Faye, and telling her would be the only thing keeping him from self-loathing (plus, blissfully thinking it will work). I don't think he's a friend of Angus, he didn't harass Faye (came clean about his feelings, didn't keep going once she told him to fuck up). As far as I'm concerned, he's mostly been a gentleman there.
So obviously Sven is in my good graces. Care to remind me of the really bad things that he did?
oh and hi I'm new here nice to meet you and all that.
Good to meet you! I'm newish here, myself.
For me, aside from trying to get Marten to cover his ass when he was trying to avoid an ex-girlfriend, the shitty thing he did was when Faye told him "Uh, dude, I have a boyfriend," Sven's response basically was "So? I'm telling you that I'm in love with you, and in every movie I've seen with John Cusak and/or Ryan Gosling, you're supposed to run away with me no questions asked." When she tells him to fuck off with that noise, he gets pissy with her. He then reiterates his fuckarsness when Steve calls him on it later basically saying "Again, I don't give a shit that she's in a relationship that makes her happy. I did the
grand gesture thing and I'm Sven Bianchi and why didn't it work?"
To wit: He wanted Faye and didn't give a shit what her personal circumstances were. The important thing, to him, was that he wanted her. Period. When she rightly told him to fuck himself, he doesn't stop to think "Boy, that was shitty" he immediately starts whining that it should have worked.
That's shitty, borderline sociopathological shit to me. Sven's been pretty okay in my books to this point. I thought that he was right to call Dora out for striking him during the Faye thing and I really appreciated how he was the caring big brother immediately before and during Dora's breakup with Marten, but the sheer assholishness of his behavior with Faye tears it with me. JMO.
That said, I think Dora's heart is in the right place not wanting Faye to know, but the execution was poor. If she'd wanted to confide in Marten, she probably should have gone to the library, though that would have meant running into Tai, probably. But doing this at the shop was a bad move.
Yeah. This.
Dora invades Marten's porn collection despite clearly being given the impression she didn't have his permission. When Marten quite rightly is upset. How does she react? By dumping him and breaking his heart. She's pretty much the only girlfriend he's ever going to have.
That's pretty literally not true. Remember Padma? Or was that Dora's fault somehow too?
Also, it was one date and she pretty much told Jim the score at the end of said date. Jim literally started dating other people before Dora got together with Tai, so I doubt Jim was very "crushed."