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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #150 on: 14 Jan 2015, 15:16 »

yeaaaaah... I'm thinking Friday's strip is not going to be a happy one...
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #151 on: 14 Jan 2015, 15:28 »

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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #152 on: 14 Jan 2015, 15:31 »

She'll get someone's attention when she passes out under the counter. 

Hopefully before then, but possibly not. 



Depends on who she's working with. 
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #153 on: 14 Jan 2015, 15:33 »

Calling it: Faye screws up badly, Dora notices she's drunk and fires her.
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #154 on: 14 Jan 2015, 15:43 »

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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #155 on: 14 Jan 2015, 15:51 »

So, what's our worse case scenario?

Saying something hurtful to a coworker or thirsty librarian?

Property damage?

Coffee burns?

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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #156 on: 14 Jan 2015, 15:53 »

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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #157 on: 14 Jan 2015, 16:06 »

So, what's our worse case scenario?

Saying something hurtful to a coworker or thirsty librarian?

That's her stock & trade, no one would notice. 
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #158 on: 14 Jan 2015, 16:06 »

Really? that's all, Dora? 'You reek of Whiskey' and 'Lucky you're not hangover'
Yes, Faye is a grown woman who usually can take care of herself, but as her friend and her boss, Dora should pull her aside and/or send her home. Even as just her boss, since employees that reek of whiskey are about the worst advertisement your business can have, even one that thrives on insulting it's customers.

On Faye gets fired: no idea. Probably she gets some unpaid leave until she's sorted out, but I really couldn't tell - the Coffee of Doom-firing standards are pretty weird (destroy property... you're fine, quit your job and you can come back any time but don't dare hug your boss' partner...)
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #159 on: 14 Jan 2015, 16:07 »

My guess: she calls Marten, because she doesn't believe/is worried about Faye. They realise that she has a severe drinking problem and stage an intervention.
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #160 on: 14 Jan 2015, 16:07 »

New comic.....
Dammit, Faye.
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #161 on: 14 Jan 2015, 16:20 »

smdh... hope noone gets physically hurt. espresso machines can be feisty, and CoD's has shown itself to be particularly so.
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #162 on: 14 Jan 2015, 16:27 »

Not to detract from talking about Faye and her issues but....

Tiny Hannelore is SO CUTE!

Seriously.
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #163 on: 14 Jan 2015, 16:58 »

Which brings me to my next observation: David Whitaker.
I openly wonder what his BAC may have been when the events of strip 505 happened.

Oh shit. Forgot about that...
The scenarios for Faye's future just got REALLY dark.
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #164 on: 14 Jan 2015, 16:59 »

She's deceiving her friends; that's the next phase.

I can't see this ending in a tidy way anymore and yeah, suspension without pay is a very real possibility and, given the importance of that job to her (it's where she does her art after all) it could be a massive blow to her self-esteem and self-identity. Nothing good can come of it.

Which brings me to my next observation: David Whitaker.
I openly wonder what his BAC may have been when the events of strip 505 happened.

Oh shit. Forgot about that...
The scenarios for Faye's future just got REALLY dark.

If she thinks she's alienated her friends and has screwed up her future beyond all hope? Then her wanting to go to see daddy is a serious possibility.
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #165 on: 14 Jan 2015, 17:12 »

Weighing in that I think we're about to hit honest-to-God intervention time.  I have complete faith that she won't be fired (Faye has been working at CoD since the beginning of the comic, does her job well when she's not drunk, and is really good friends with the boss).  There will be Repercussions, and suspension without pay is definitely a possibility, but Dora is going to keep a spot open for her even if she has to leave long enough to get her head straightened out.
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #166 on: 14 Jan 2015, 17:37 »

Weeeell shit. Faye's kickflipped down the mega ramp that shoots right in to rock bottom. I sincerely hope her Hall of Meat moment doesn't end as poorly as I think it's gonna. Dora's a perceptive person, especially when she's in her shop, and Faye's kind of a terrible liar. Combine that with whiskeyfingers and Faye's going to get caught faster than anything.
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #167 on: 14 Jan 2015, 17:54 »

This is going to get worse before it gets better, I know it already.
Not calling any specific route this story is going to take, but there's going to be a lot of tears along the way.
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #168 on: 14 Jan 2015, 18:05 »

Faye's expression in Panel 3 of today's strip is great. My favorite of Jeph's face drawings in a thousand strips, as good as Marten's incandescent glare at Clinton in panel 5 of 1908.

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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #169 on: 14 Jan 2015, 18:19 »

Hell's bells! Someone, anyone in the comic, notice what's going on. I refuse to believe that they'll all be collectively blind to this for much longer.

Goddamnit, Faye.
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #170 on: 14 Jan 2015, 18:42 »

That's the thing, they're all so use to seeing Faye a little locked from time to time, they've becoming inured to her and alcohol. Remember the time she had some of the emergency bourbon when it was just her and Raven in the shop? Hell, the fact that there's a bottle specifically called emergency bourbon under the counter should have sent up warning flags and ring bells years ago, but like us, the rest of the cast didn't really say anything about it because it was "quirky".

The only thing that will really blow this thing out into the open at this stage is one of three possible events:
1 - Faye leaves her bag unattended and Dora notices the half empty bottle in the bag.
2 - Faye hurts somebody (or herself) and the doctor/paramedics notice she is reeking of alcohol.
3 - Faye is physically caught drinking by Dora while working.

And I'm leaning towards the third. (But not calling it)
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #171 on: 14 Jan 2015, 18:48 »

Her friends are giving her a little more lee way on the drinking right now because they know she's hurting from breaking up with Angus. Marten's been known to tie one on after a break up too. From their comments, I think they are concerned, but taking Faye at her word when they talk to her about it, as you know, friends will do. They probably figure she'll get it out of her system in short order. Neither of them knows how bad it is because she is lying to her friends about it.
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #172 on: 14 Jan 2015, 18:50 »

Really? that's all, Dora? 'You reek of Whiskey' and 'Lucky you're not hangover'
Yes, Faye is a grown woman who usually can take care of herself, but as her friend and her boss, Dora should pull her aside and/or send her home. Even as just her boss, since employees that reek of whiskey are about the worst advertisement your business can have, even one that thrives on insulting it's customers.

On Faye gets fired: no idea. Probably she gets some unpaid leave until she's sorted out, but I really couldn't tell - the Coffee of Doom-firing standards are pretty weird (destroy property... you're fine, quit your job and you can come back any time but don't dare hug your boss' partner...)

The drunk bubbles Jeph uses to indicate to readers that someone has tied one on are also used in comic to signal that to others around them. The bubbles are not present until Dora is gone. Faye is holding it together enough for Dora to assume she isn't drunk or hungover. To this point, Faye has been a responsible employee and very with-it when it comes to her work. Also, Faye lives with Marten, and though his relationship with Claire is starting to take off, he has never really not paid attention to Faye. I'm sure Dora assumes that if something was wrong to the extent that it is, Marten would tell her.

I suspect that Faye is resorting to what got her through the dark days after her father's suicide and learned to hide/be a functional drunk. Neither Dora nor Marten knew her then. It's one thing for her to tell them how it was, it's another thing to actually experience it. They've never seen her hurting like this. Even when the Sven stuff ended, Faye didn't go anywhere near this extreme. This is new territory.

I do think Faye is heading for a wreck, and I don't know if it will be metaphorical. Dora firing her would be too pat. Then Faye could ostensibly follow Angus to the city. I can't see that happening unless Jeph really does want to take this strip in a vastly different direction. My fear here is, other than Faye causing bodily harm to herself or others, that she will make Marten feel guilty about being happy and this will put a strain on his budding relationship with Claire. Claire doesn't have the history with Faye that Dora had and is very unlikely to be as understanding about things if Faye starts to monopolize Marten's time.
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #173 on: 14 Jan 2015, 19:51 »

I'm going with worse.  Somehow I'm betting some of the above happens (a la Faye manages to get caught and/or told off by Dora.)...  with the twist that afterward, she leaves work and something much, much worse happens.

Let's face it, if it's just down to emotional stuff, Faye's no stranger to this kinda thing.  She's let her issues over the years ruin just about any semi-healthy relationship she'd have.  For awhile she was on the road to getting better, thanks to putting a lot of her family stuff behind her, and meeting Angus who (let's be honest here) was literally the most positive relationship she's had with.. well, anyone.  Marten wasn't exactly the best candidate himself, and yeah, I'm not even going into who was next after him. 

I'm honestly convinced she's going to get herself physically hurt, badly.  A la, another car wreck, or hurt someone else similarly in scope.
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #174 on: 14 Jan 2015, 20:14 »

Her friends are giving her a little more lee way on the drinking right now because they know she's hurting from breaking up with Angus. Marten's been known to tie one on after a break up too. From their comments, I think they are concerned, but taking Faye at her word when they talk to her about it, as you know, friends will do. They probably figure she'll get it out of her system in short order. Neither of them knows how bad it is because she is lying to her friends about it.

Right, but Dora's drawn the line on drinking at work, or fucking around with her place of business HARD before. It would not shock me in the slightest to see her fire Faye if she gets busted. I would. Friend or no friend.
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #175 on: 14 Jan 2015, 20:35 »

I worked at one coffee shop where one guy (who was *always* drunk) only got fired after he refused to go to rehab.  The bosses were even willing to pay for it, so cost was not an issue.  Dora might not be able to afford to do the latter, but she could certainly make the ultimatum.
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« Reply #176 on: 14 Jan 2015, 20:36 »

Those are some incredibly generous bosses you had.
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #177 on: 14 Jan 2015, 20:40 »

Hm. Know what? Faye probably will get fired. I'm going further into speculative territory and thinking she won't be hired back. Why? Because after a solution to her drinking issues arise, the best move for personal improvement is diving into her art full-time.
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #178 on: 14 Jan 2015, 20:51 »

Y'know, If there were a moment at which Faye might hook up with Sven again, this is it.
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #179 on: 14 Jan 2015, 20:57 »

Hm. Know what? Faye probably will get fired. I'm going further into speculative territory and thinking she won't be hired back. Why? Because after a solution to her drinking issues arise, the best move for personal improvement is diving into her art full-time.
Um.  I don't know that something without structured time would be a good idea.

Maybe she could get a job at the guitar store or record shop.
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #180 on: 14 Jan 2015, 21:01 »

Structured time can be imposed in many ways. Deadlines, friends bothering you, deadlines imposed by friends, etc.
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #181 on: 14 Jan 2015, 21:08 »

3 - Faye is physically caught drinking by Dora while working.

And I'm leaning towards the third. (But not calling it)

She already has been. 
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #182 on: 14 Jan 2015, 21:21 »

She already has been.

Actually, that was her asking for permission to drink on the job and getting knocked back. She wasn't getting busted for actually drinking, but now we have the trigger for punishment for going behind her back.
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #184 on: 14 Jan 2015, 21:37 »

Y'know, If there were a moment at which Faye might hook up with Sven again, this is it.

An interesting thought I also had.  I wonder though, if that might actually do her some GOOD.  I mean, Sven actually GREW as a person in the time he knew her.  He may have some insights that can help Faye now too.
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #185 on: 14 Jan 2015, 21:41 »

That may be true, but I get the feeling that Faye is going to crash and crash hard this time round before it gets better.
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #186 on: 14 Jan 2015, 21:49 »

Y'know, If there were a moment at which Faye might hook up with Sven again, this is it.

She might try, but--and this is a tentative but--I have a feeling that Sven is not that kind of jerk, will recognize that Faye is more fueled by alcohol than any real feelings for him, and will actually make an attempt to talk her out of it and get her some help.  I mean, he knows about her drinking issues because she's gone to him with her problems in the past, before they started sleeping together, and while he has a habit of being a slimeball, I can't see him taking advantage of Faye in her current hurting-alkie state.  So I hope I'm not going too far into the realm of impossibility when I predict that he'll actually surprise us--and himself, perhaps--by being the good guy.  But you can point and laugh when I'm proven wrong.
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #187 on: 14 Jan 2015, 21:57 »

Those are some incredibly generous bosses you had.
Aye, they were.  They could be harsh sometimes, but generally treated employees like extended family.  They'd even joke around with us sometimes.  One time my friend was working, and one of them was bringing in a delivery, and my friend started opening up the boxes and said boss just told him "Hand me the box-cutter, I'm from the Middle-East, I know how to use one".  If working there taught me one thing is that any well-run business can afford to pay employees more than minimum wage, even for a basic job, give regular raises, kick out customers before firing workers, keep prices low, and still turn a good profit.
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #189 on: 14 Jan 2015, 22:13 »

This ain't gonna be good...
Like "fired" not good...
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #190 on: 14 Jan 2015, 22:24 »

I'm honestly convinced she's going to get herself physically hurt, badly.  A la, another car wreck, or hurt someone else similarly in scope.

That's what often happens in real life. There have been only a very few times when QC drama got that heavy, though.

Oh no. Drunk. Welding equipment. What could possibly go wrong?
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #191 on: 14 Jan 2015, 22:32 »

Oh no. Drunk. Welding equipment. What could possibly go wrong?
She did burn down her apartment before she moved in with Marten.  (comic 22)
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #192 on: 14 Jan 2015, 23:23 »

Whew. This is going to be intense. My grandfather and step-father were alcoholics, and are the primary reason I avoid the stuff. Will be interesting seeing where Jeph goes with this...
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #193 on: 14 Jan 2015, 23:31 »

She already has been.

Actually, that was her asking for permission to drink on the job and getting knocked back. She wasn't getting busted for actually drinking, but now we have the trigger for punishment for going behind her back.

Sorry, what?  Who asks first for hair of the dog?  She may have been stopped before she actually took the drink, but that's because she was about to do so anyway. 

After all, it was an emergency - she was hungover. 

Besides, Dora's comment about the bottle indicates that it's not the shop's, she had just taken it from Faye. 
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #194 on: 14 Jan 2015, 23:31 »

 I only see Faye fired fired(as opposed to temp fired like post marten cuddles) if she is really getting on the bus. Shop's the hub for the cast and she should be there...unless you're taking her out of the cast.

Demoted however would be a nice kick in the ass. If the drinking leads to a incident and she's not demoted I think I'd be disappointed. Though it's also possible it's not Dora that finds out, but Hanners or maybe Penelope(Unlikely with her diminished role in the strip, but I think she's be another good choice to kick Faye in the butt).
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #195 on: 14 Jan 2015, 23:33 »

FWIW, Faye is the sort of personality who will react to an ultimatum from Dora with a response of "Fired? Huh! I quit!" I think that she'll then storm off on a self-destructive bender that will get worse with every friend who 'rejects' her ( in her eyes, by not 'understanding my needs'). It will end with her doing something like sleeping with a total stranger in exchange for a bottle (having already drunk all her ready cash and with none of her friends willing to indulge her any longer). She wakes up, feeling violated and covered with her own vomit in some stranger's dive.

There are then two options:
  • Horrified and disgusted with herself, she goes to her friends for help;
  • She goes missing for a week and, when Marten finds her, she's a suitable case for hospitalisation.
One of the things that it will be interesting to see will be how the stresses of Faye's illness affects other relationships within the group.
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #196 on: 14 Jan 2015, 23:40 »

No, Faye! No!

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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #197 on: 15 Jan 2015, 00:30 »

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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #198 on: 15 Jan 2015, 01:47 »

This isn't so much a slippery slope for Faye; it's a well-lubricated cliff-face!
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Re: WCDT: 2873-2877 (12-16 January 2015)
« Reply #199 on: 15 Jan 2015, 01:55 »

On the way to work, a scenario for the next few strips came to mind. Ever since the "Faye's Downfall" arc began, I've had this sequence in my head but I've more or less got it refined and finalised.

FRIDAY
PANEL 1 - 4 (half-height): All comedic 'cheerful drunk' panels with Faye interacting in more-and-more outrageous ways with horrified CoD customers;
PANEL 5 (full height): Faye is just finishing off an absolutely outrageous suggestion to a visibly angry customer with a cheerful smile and bubbles above her head
(From OFF PANEL): "Ah-hem!"
PANEL 6 (full height): Faye has turned around, looking shocked and a little daunted. Dora, Cossette, Hannelore and Penny are all glaring at her, arms crossed.
FAYE: "Um... Yeah...?"

MONDAY
PANEL 1 (half height): Faye and Dora arguing; Faye is very defensive and aggressive.
PANEL 2 (half height): Dora is pouring Faye's booze down the cup-wash sink's drain; Faye, looking panicked, is lunging towards her;
PANEL 3: Faye is grappling with Dora for the bottle, clawing at her face; Dora screams, Hanners, mace in hand, is stepping forwards
PANEL 4: Dora is on the ground, Cossette pressing a towel to Dora's face; Faye is rubbing at her eyes as Hanners stands over her, pointing her mace
DORA: "You fucking psycho! You could have taken my eye out!"
FAYE: "You shouldn't have taken my stuff! You had no right to...!"
PANEL 5 (half-height): Close up on Dora's face
DORA: "GET THE FUCK OUT AND DON'T COME BACK UNTIL YOU'RE BACK ON THE WAGON!"
PANEL 6 (half-height): Close up on Faye's face, tears running down her cheeks
FAYE: "FUCK THAT, YOU SANCTIMONIOUS BITCH! I QUIT!"

TUESDAY
PANEL 1: Faye is sitting on a park bench, bottle in hand, talking to Marten on her cell. Marten isn't too sympathetic. He tells her that he's getting rid of all the booze in the apartment and that they're going to talk when she gets home. Faye protests but he hangs up.
PANEL 2: Faye is still on the bench, now onto her second bottle, talking to Sven on her cell. Sven tells her that "My sister might be a bitch, but it takes a lot to make her that mad! Maybe you should cut back!" Faye swears at him and hangs up
PANEL 3: Faye is still on the bench, now onto her third bottle. A passer-by mutters "Filthy drunk...!" and Faye is looking towards him/her in horror.
PANEL 4: Night-time; Faye is still on the bench with three bottles beside her, two empties and one half-full. Tears are streaming down her face.

In this sequence, WEDNESDAY's strip would be a filler. Maybe Marten talking to Claire about the Faye situation. Claire suggests that they go looking for Faye. Marten says that she's a big girl and can look after herself. Claire isn't convinced and says so. Marten promises to consider it if she is gone too long and mentions that he'd like to take Claire to a gig this weekend. She replies positively, but it is clear that both of them are thinking about other things.

Another idea: Mrs Augustus getting ready for her day: arriving at work and going into a locker room. Panel 4 sees her stepping out of the locker room wearing the uniform of a Lieutenant of Police (and quite badass at that). The thought of Mrs A being a career street cop (and a good one at that) makes me grin for some reason.

THURSDAY
PANEL 1: Marten asleep in his bed.
PANEL 2: Faye leans in to shot and kisses Marten on the forehead
FAYE (whispering): "Thanks for everything, big brother. I love you."
PANEL 3: Marten is suddenly wide awake.
PANEL 4: Faye is in her bedroom, kneeling in front of an open case. Inside is nestled a revolver of the same type that killed her father

FRIDAY
PANEL 1: Faye, viewed from behind, is standing on the roof of the apartment building, looking out at the sunrise, gun in hand;
PANEL 2 (half-height: Close-up on Faye's face, tears streaming down her cheeks;
PANEL 3 (half-height): Faye has raised her gun to the side of her head, her eyes closed;
PANELS 4-7 (jagged, diagonal panels across the width of the page, symbolising jarring action): Marten lunges at Faye from behind; they grapple for control of the gun; Marten twists her wrist, forcing her to drop it and then turns her to face him and drags her in close, ignoring her attempts to push him off or beat his chest;
PANEL 8 (page width): Faye is now being hugged close by Marten, she is hugging him back, practically screaming into his shoulder. Behind her, the sun has now risen; a new day has begun.

I wonder how Jeph will handle it?
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