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WCDT: 2878-2882 (19-23 January 2015)
Gladstone:
Oh, I'm not complaining or anything. I have nothing against it happening. I'm just trying to grasp the enormity of the situation. :psyduck:
MrNumbers:
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 19 Jan 2015, 21:16 ---One of the wiser things I've ever heard about dealing with addicts is "Don't jump in and try to save an anchor from drowning".
Proportionate measures are for normal healthy people screwing up. The Pugnacious Peach is looking less and less like such a person.
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Repeat offense? Termination. Reasonable.
Ultimatum: Come back clean in two weeks or don't come back at all. Reasonable.
When a person does it twice, that's when it starts being more prudent to just straight out fire someone. Right now? Not the case.
If I was working as a producer and I caught someone drinking on set, I'd fire them immediately. Around that much equipment, it's possible to get someone killed. In that situation, the possible liability of their actions exceeds the cost of replacement. If it was, however, a co-producer I'd worked with for years, behind the scenes, who showed up drunk once because his dog just got hit by a car...
I'd pick up their slack, ax them from that project and wipe them from the budget. But I'd work with them again. I wouldn't blacklist them, certainly. I wouldn't have been working with them for years if they weren't otherwise competent, and that's excruciatingly difficult to find.
But then again, a film set is nothing like a coffee shop.
Warning - while you were typing 2 new shady-lookin' cowpokes mozied on into the saloon. They better be quick on the draw to interrupt whiskey hour.
Is it cold in here?:
Faye has acknowledged a problem before.
She felt like her life was falling apart uncontrollably.
That arc was quite a while ago and even back then Dora saw that The Pugnacious Peach had a drinking problem.
xaszatm:
--- Quote from: MrNumbers on 19 Jan 2015, 21:10 ---
--- Quote from: Alphawolf55 on 19 Jan 2015, 20:55 ---
Immediately firing her would've been her firing her yesterday.
Firing her the next day when she's still drunk if not worse because she's now bringing booze into the work place, lying to her face about it, , after she gave her a promotion and everything which is now putting her business at stake? That is not without question
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First: This is still the same day, in-strip time. It's later on in that same day. That's important.
Second: Yes. Absolutely. She made a poor decision to lie to her boss, whilst drunk, and then continued to drink. That's a horrible, terrible thing to do.
But a bigger hit to Dora's business is losing an otherwise good manager (one who has a loyal customer base and manages to keep the other employees well in check) in the heat of the moment. Her decision to punish Faye? Justified. Being sick of Faye's shit? Justified.
But the loss of a valued employee, and a manager at that, is now made up for in the overtime she needs to pay other people to make up for Faye's shifts, time investment in hiring a new employee, and time Dora herself has to spend since she was the only other manager. If Faye's actions haven't caused more damage, or will cause more damage, than her termination will, then the termination is a poor decision. Especially since it's not a repeat offense, it's a first-time incident of this type of behaviour.
So it's a bad business decision as well as a bad friend decision.
Warning - while you were typing 3 new bottles of bourbon appeared on the wall. Note them down, pass them around.
--- Quote from: xaszatm on 19 Jan 2015, 20:58 ---
This is it. This is the comment that gets me to join.
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I'll fight you all!
--- Quote ---You are confusing business with friendship.
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I just covered that now. Let's move on.
--- Quote ---So, why not just give her a few days off? Well, first off, that encourages Faye. [...]
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Ahh... No? No it doesn't. If his is her only source of income, giving her a week or two without shifts is a serious financial burden. Huge. Give Faye a taste of what termination would be like if she didn't get her shit together and know that Dora means business. It's not like a school suspension, especially since Faye is paid by the hour and not a set wage.
She should absolutely be punished severely. A permanent termination is a step too far.
--- Quote ---Secondly more deserving of disciplinary action?. I'm sorry, what?!? Something that could have serious economic consequences for her store is only deserving of disciplinary action?
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Again, covered above. The severity of her punishment should scale with the permanency of her incompetence. It's the difference between rehabilitation and retribution. Retribution may feel more righteous, but guess which one ends up more effective long-term?
Alright, who else needs verbal fisticuffs? I'll take you all on, Hemmingway style.
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1. http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2866 is Faye trying to get permission to drink
2. http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2867 is Dora telling her not to drink at work
3. http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2875 is Faye the next morning deciding to continue to drink
It's the next day. She went home from work, got wasted, woke up, and decided to make the worst mistake of her life. It's not the same day is Dora's telling her not to drink.
Also, it does not matter if she was a good manager before, it matters what she is doing right now. I can't exactly use the excuse that I was the top of the employee chart in order to not get fired for injuring someone at work, can I? Dora cannot use Faye's good employee record in court if Faye's drunkenness causes serious injury to a patron, can she? The past doesn't matter, the present does. If someone refuses to show even the slightest respect for their boss, then the boss has every right to fire that person.
And "valued employee?" Let's be honest here, barristers don't exactly have a hard barrier of entry. You are placing Faye in way too much importance. Dora currently has more people working for her then she ever did before. Not counting Faye and Dora, there are, I believe, 4 employees working under Dora. This is why she needed an assistant, the workload was becoming too much to bear. More employees means more paperwork. Guess what happens when you fire an employee? Also, even if we went with your way, Dora would STILL have to work extra hours and reschedule everything because Faye would suddenly not be working for a few weeks. So...how does that factor into "good business"?
Look, I don't know you, but my experiences with people who are alcoholics is this: if they want to drink, THEY WILL DRINK! It doesn't matter if you try and lay them off for a while. It doesn't matter if they live in their car. It doesn't matter if they don't have two pennies to rub together. THEY. WILL. DRINK. They will come up with every excuse in the dictionary just to get another sip. It, quite frankly, is not worth keeping a "valuable" employee if this behavior continues. Because, quite frankly, their value just sank to rock bottom. Especially if Dora gave a warning.
And as for running a business. Yes, Dora now has a huge burden on her shoulders. Guess what? Dealing with that burden is infinitely easier than dealing with an employee who refuses to listen. She might not even have to hire another person to replace Faye. Dale currently could fill that gap. That man would love getting extra hours in. Problem solved. While it isn't that easy, it is still better than dealing with a potential lawsuit. You are placing friendship at a level with Dora's business. When a solution involves a scenario where Dora could lose her sole income, Dora is justified in placing the business above friendship.
grez:
--- Quote from: MrNumbers on 19 Jan 2015, 21:31 ---But then again, a film set is nothing like a coffee shop.
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Maybe not to you, but for Dora, CoD is more or less everything, right?
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