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WCDT: 2878-2882 (19-23 January 2015)
Is it cold in here?:
There's a famous gravestone inscription "I expected this but not so soon".
Faye had gotten very used to having that job and having Dora put up with her.
Alphawolf55:
The fact therapy is so easy and that AI have rights suggest far more liberal political environment.
Also Faye looks surprised because she was expecting her friendship to save her.
Is it cold in here?:
Marten's first job, crappy as it was, included health insurance. On the other hand that was a much larger business than Coffee of Doom.
MrNumbers:
--- Quote from: grez on 19 Jan 2015, 21:41 ---
--- Quote from: MrNumbers on 19 Jan 2015, 21:31 ---But then again, a film set is nothing like a coffee shop.
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Maybe not to you, but for Dora, CoD is more or less everything, right?
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Thus my palpable sarcasm.
--- Quote from: xaszatm on 19 Jan 2015, 21:37 ---1. http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2866 is Faye trying to get permission to drink
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Which was, as we established, a cry for help from Faye which Dora played off, mostly, in the next panel that you linked. That's her dropping the ball as a manager more than it is Faye fucking up as an employee. It would have been smarter for Dora to see the risk and not give her a shift until she knew she wasn't at-risk. That didn't happen.
Instead we get the conversation here:
--- Quote ---2. http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2867 is Dora telling her not to drink at work
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Where Dora does give her a fair warning, but absolutely no reprimand or discipline. So, as we've established, she might as well just have given lip service. This is absolutely Faye's fault, but because there wasn't a disciplinary action, I stand by my statement: She shouldn't have been terminated. It wasn't a repeat offense.
And:
--- Quote ---3. http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2875 is Faye the next morning deciding to continue to drink
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Is a personal problem, not a professional problem. Now, had she called in sick at that point, it would have been unprofessional, but it wouldn't have resulted in today's nadir. That's neither here nor there though.
--- Quote ---Also, it does not matter if she was a good manager before, it matters what she is doing right now.
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It absolutely does matter if you're gauging whether or not a permanent solution is necessary. If something costs fifty dollars to fix, you want to know if it's your TV remote or the widescreen it's the remote for. The first is obviously a replacement. The second is a bargain. Unless it's going to need to be re-repaired every day, of course. The points you go on to list are examples of the latter. Faye hasn't proven that she will be permanently fucking up this hard, though.
--- Quote ---Let's be honest here, barristers don't exactly have a hard barrier of entry.
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Which is why it might be hard to find one who is as skilled at their job and at management who hasn't moved on to brighter things. Or happily entrenched in old positions due to this economy.
--- Quote ---Also, even if we went with your way, Dora would STILL have to work extra hours and reschedule everything because Faye would suddenly not be working for a few weeks.
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I cede to this point. Egregious error on my part, and I apologize.
--- Quote ---Look, I don't know you, but my experiences with people who are alcoholics is this: if they want to drink, THEY WILL DRINK!
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And my experience with business is that it's significantly harder to retrain people for a position than it is to stop the people already trained from it from fucking up. The other employees also typically work better with someone they already respect or are comfortable with. For better or worse, the other employees actually like Faye... most of the time. That's a huge positive to productivity. Think how much better you, personally, have worked with bosses that you respected. Better the devil you know.
So, sure Faye will still be an alcoholic and that will impact her personal life severely. If, however, she can keep that the hell out of Coffee of Doom, then that's completely irrelevant. Well... not completely. But irrelevant enough.
--- Quote ---is not worth keeping a "valuable" employee if this behavior continues
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Emphasis on if this behaviour continues. Single incident.
--- Quote ---Dealing with that burden is infinitely easier than dealing with an employee who refuses to listen.
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Yeah, because she ignored all the punishments from those other times she got drunk at work. Remember that other time she did this and... uh... hrrm. No, wait, what 'bout... no?
Ignoring a warning is different to a repeat offense. Only the latter should truly be grounds for a permanent termination.
--- Quote ---Dale currently could fill that gap. That man would love getting extra hours in.
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Not management material. Yet.
--- Quote ---You are placing friendship at a level with Dora's business.
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Hell, at this point I think it would be more suitable for Dora to ax the friendship than the business. I'm not confusing those around at all. This business is her livelihood, as other people have said, and Dora works really goddamn hard for it. This is a huge insult to Dora. Friendship should go, however, before a qualified manager does.
--- Quote ---When a solution involves a scenario where Dora could lose her sole income, Dora is justified in placing the business above friendship.
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Name one thing Faye could have done whilst drunk that would have been more damaging to the business than Faye's irreparable termination, knowing Faye has a loyal customer base that come in just for her patented scorn and that her termination is almost a guaranteed drop in loyal, repeat customers?
Warning - while you were typing 13 newcomers challenged you. It looks like you're going to have to take 'em all!
SJCrew:
Too many people jumping the gun about this comic.
Especially MrNumbers.
For one, nobody deserves a pass for showing up to work inebriated, even if friendship and seniority were factors. That's your entitlement talking. You know that in the real world if you were hired by anyone who took their shit seriously, you couldn't get away with any gross display of unprofessionalism no matter how isolated the incident.
Next, who said this was the end? We haven't even gotten to day two. For all we know, Faye can be fired for all of a day or a week before she patches things up or Dora seeks her out to get all 'supportive friend' on her, then give her the brass tacks before offering her job back. These things happen all the time in fiction.
She's still fired, that much is certain, but how quickly she gets her job back is all in how quickly she makes it up to Dora. Either way, Dora's ass is covered morally and professionally because she's the one who was lied to, and she's the one who has to look out for the health of the business so that everyone can get paid.
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