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WCDT: 2878-2882 (19-23 January 2015)
jheartney:
Somewhat unrelated question: Will Jeph ever update the cast page? Angus is no longer Marigold's roommate, Gabby's gone, and Claire ought to be promoted up the page, for starters. And Faye is no longer a COD employee, apparently.
cesium133:
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* Generally speaking, the employee should be given clear standards to aim for and a genuine opportunity to improve. However, some forms of misconduct may be deemed so serious, that it can warrant instant dismissal. What constitutes this sort of misconduct may be set out in the employment agreement.
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Is that not the case here? Can Dora reasonably expect to have a meeting with Faye if she's drunk?
greywolfe:
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It does come off a bit like George Jetson Job Security, and I can confirm that it's more or less the same in Australia, with sit-down meetings, warnings, notice, and all that. However, employers do have ways around that, and can immediately fire people/make them redundant. Granted, there's usually a sit-down meeting, but...well, is Faye in any condition for that?
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Most contracts have an immediate-fire clause for incidents like this however.
TheEvilDog:
--- Quote from: Fenriswolf on 20 Jan 2015, 16:02 ---What makes me twitch about this comic is not whether or not Dora made the right decision. My feeling is probably. What I don't like is the out of hand "you're fired". In NZ (and Australlia, I'm sure) we do not have the right to fire people whenever we feel like it, and while intoxication may be cause for immediate termination you would still have to have a sit down meeting and a discussion with paperwork.
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* Any relevant provisions in the employment agreement must be followed
* An employee has the right to be told what the problem is and that disciplinary action is a possibility.
* The employee should be advised that they have the right to have a representative present at a disciplinary meeting.
* The employee must then be given a genuine opportunity to respond with their side of the story before the employer decides what to do.
* The employer should investigate any allegations of misconduct thoroughly and in a manner that is impartial and without being influenced by irrelevant issues.
* Generally speaking, the employee should be given clear standards to aim for and a genuine opportunity to improve. However, some forms of misconduct may be deemed so serious, that it can warrant instant dismissal. What constitutes this sort of misconduct may be set out in the employment agreement.
http://www.dol.govt.nz/workplace/knowledgebase/item/1297
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I absolutely despise the casual manner by which Dora was able to fire Faye, and that it doesn't raise any eyebrows. Especially since it seems the QC-verse has the same situation as the modern day US with no real public healthcare and likely limited unemployment benefits.
It makes my skin crawl, frankly, and makes me sad that in a generally more liberal imagining of the US you're still completely at the mercy of your employer. (Whether or not Faye deserves to lose her job it utterly irrelevant this point.)
Edit to fix random tags.
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A quick look on google and I found this page about the law concerning termination of employment in Massachusetts. One of the points on the page states:
"Although it seems almost impossible to believe, employers in Massachusetts, or in any other employee-at-will state, can fire any employee at any time for any reason — or even for no reason at all. An employer can terminate any employee, with or without notice."
TieDyeKat:
Comic's up.
I thought that was Cosette for a moment.
EDITED TO ADD: Woo hoo, first time I've ever had the chance to make that announcement!
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