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WCDT: 2878-2882 (19-23 January 2015)
BenRG:
--- Quote from: bhtooefr on 21 Jan 2015, 05:26 ---Not only that, but it's generally considered best practice for employers to not say anything about an employee's performance, only that they did work there. Otherwise, they're opened up to a lawsuit.
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"I'm afraid that we do not give our detailed references for our former employees. However, if we did, his would rhyme with 'Mazy Loron'."
-- Catbert, the Evil Director of Human Resources
-- Dilbert
Is it cold in here?:
There's a formulation of the Categorical Imperative which dictates that you must never treat humans as means to an end but always as ends in themselves.
Taken at face value, that would make Dora's action unethical, along with virtually every other management action in the world.
Undrneath:
People are assuming that Faye got vacation days / sick days / personal days. As a small business, and a traditionally unstable one being the food service industry, Dora probably can't afford to pay for days off. I work for a corporate franchise and my vacation pay was eliminated over five years ago. Now if I want time off I have to save up for it or I won't be able to afford it.
Markus Ramikin:
RF: I don't really wanna dig more into the unseemly things you're doing to words like "axiom" and "truth", so let's get back to the actual situation we were discussing, and see if we disagree about anything of substance.
You say that second-guessing, by which you mean introspection by which you mean Dora taking time to check, isn't a bad thing. Sure. I agree. Decisionmaking happens in conditions of uncertainty, with limited time, energy, patience, and intelligence. If you think about it later, maybe you'll see a way you could have done better. That can be useful.
You say that guilt can motivate you to look for better answers. Me, I earlier said,
--- Quote ---"feel bad yes, feel guilty no. Her friend is in trouble and that's a bad thing, and yes, if Dora cares about her then she will feel accordingly.
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That feeling of "this is a shitty situation and I wish I didn't have to fire Faye" is the relevant motivator, and I have no issue with that causing her to give more thought to the situation. But when I say guilt, I mean this:
--- Quote ---But any feelings of "I shouldn't have done that" or "I'm a bad person because I did that", she doesn't deserve, she should know that she doesn't, and stand by her decision against anyone, including the little voices in her head.
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(Assuming that in hindsight the reasons for firing Faye look sound to her, and according to her best judgement that decision remains the correct one.)
Whether or not we'd agree to define the word guilt this way, are we in disagreement about my actual meaning here?
--- Quote ---Guilt is not a bad thing, in itself. I guess. It would be weird if most of humanity was wired for a pathological response.
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We are. For more than one. The human brain is a horrible kludge. I'm sorry.
Devlosirrus:
--- Quote from: bhtooefr on 21 Jan 2015, 05:26 ---Not only that, but it's generally considered best practice for employers to not say anything about an employee's performance, only that they did work there. Otherwise, they're opened up to a lawsuit.
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Not technically true. Employers are free to say whatever they'd like to someone calling for a reference, they just need to have documents to back it up. I've given several people extremely shitty references, with very specific examples of their shitty behavior. However, before I did so, I made sure that I had signed disciplinary documents to prove it. If you say something bad about someone and can't prove it, then you could be sued.
Weird thing to post about, I know. This thread just has me feeling that managerial feel.
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