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WCDT: 2878-2882 (19-23 January 2015)
TheEvilDog:
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--- Quote from: themacnut on 22 Jan 2015, 11:50 ---This conflict may get serious enough where Marten may find himself forced to choose between Faye and Claire, and whoever he decides against will then proceed to remove themselves from his life. Considering the history between him and Faye, and the fact that Claire is a relative newcomer...it doesn't look good for Claire.
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And this is why I'd vote on Claire. Well, two reasons more: First, Claire was recently Jeph's favorite character. It would be an extremely odd (but actually kind of heroic in an writerly sort of way) if Jeph put his fav on a bus. I'm assuming Jeph is human and probably won't do that.
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Bear in mind that at various times Jeph has said Dora and Faye have been his favourites. He's been writing the comic for twelve years and things change, favourites change and right now, Dora is seemingly fading into the background, while Faye is crashing and burning. Nothing is ever certain. Remember that.
pwhodges:
--- Quote from: ReindeerFlotilla on 22 Jan 2015, 11:48 ---I don't presume to moderate, but it seems to me that this is not the appropriate forum for the topic of me. There's PM's and stuff for that--though this isn't an invitation to PM. I've said everything I have to say so I likely won't bother reading anything more on the subject, unless it's handed down by a mod in an official capacity.
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Global Moderator Comment Quite so. If there is personal stuff to discuss, take it to PMs; if it's too unfriendly, take it to the mods; if it's a matter that could still be of wider interest, make a thread in Relate. There is a paragraph to this effect in the forum rules. We have a tradition of being tolerant about odd subjects that come up as a result of the comics being discussed in this thread, especially at the weekend; but personal matters are different.
ItsNotATumor:
(Going into management practices in the real life US).
Dora in 2879 is textbook fine. Catches her employee drunk, fires her on the spot. Well done. Clear message, to the point, and no liability.
Dora in 2880 in panel 2 makes a big mistake. She brings up "abuse, disrespect, insubordination". Has she been giving regular feedback to Faye about these things? Has Faye been notified about these three things? I've never seen Dora bring any of these issues up to Faye. Big, big mistake on Dora's part to say this. Now, Faye has a case. Faye can make the case that she was fired not due to negligent performance, but because of trumped up personal issues. "Your honor, I'd been doing a wonderful job at CoD, and then one day Dora just *makes up* all of these reasons! No, she'd never talked about any of these things before! Yes, she joked around with customers, and I followed her lead! Is it possible that she fired me because I'm best friends with her ex, and she never got over that? Why yes, that DOES make sense!".
Bad move, Dora. You should have shut up after "You're fired". Even if Mass. is an at-will employment state, it's not good to open yourself up to that kind of thing. If those other issues were problems you needed to have talked to Faye about them (and taken notes that you'd done so). If those other issues were simmering under the surface then you failed by not bringing them up earlier. Bringing them up is a very big negative EV move with no upside. It gives Faye a potential out for legal action.
Finally, telling her to get help is another Very Bad Move (as a manager). It indicates that Dora might have known there was an ongoing problem. And if she knew there was an ongoing problem, that's more potential liability. "Your honor, she *knew* that I was having ongoing problems with alcohol, she even told me to get help. But then she fired me out of nowhere! No it wasn't a surprise to her, she knew about this all along *sobs*".
Double bad move Dora. Her anger here and outburst could potentially lose her the business if Faye chooses to go that route.
ReindeerFlotilla:
--- Quote from: TheEvilDog on 22 Jan 2015, 12:35 ---
--- Quote from: ReindeerFlotilla on 22 Jan 2015, 12:14 ---
--- Quote from: themacnut on 22 Jan 2015, 11:50 ---This conflict may get serious enough where Marten may find himself forced to choose between Faye and Claire, and whoever he decides against will then proceed to remove themselves from his life. Considering the history between him and Faye, and the fact that Claire is a relative newcomer...it doesn't look good for Claire.
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And this is why I'd vote on Claire. Well, two reasons more: First, Claire was recently Jeph's favorite character. It would be an extremely odd (but actually kind of heroic in an writerly sort of way) if Jeph put his fav on a bus. I'm assuming Jeph is human and probably won't do that.
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Bear in mind that at various times Jeph has said Dora and Faye have been his favourites. He's been writing the comic for twelve years and things change, favourites change and right now, Dora is seemingly fading into the background, while Faye is crashing and burning. Nothing is ever certain. Remember that.
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No disagreement there. But the last fave before Claire was Marigold. Unless he's moved on to Dale and May, I'm willing to take the risk that Claire's still high up on the fav totem pole. Bussing Faye out works even in the favorite zone because she's unfinished--assuming it goes down as conflict between Faye's priorities and Claire's with Marten between. With Faye's major issue unresolved, she has to come back. In that same conflict, Claire leaving would be a hard break to come back from.
plusorminus:
It's Not a Tumor, none of that will fly. Dora has discussed Faye's performance with Faye. There have been numerous examples given by others in this thread. She's told her to cut the shit and basically most of the other baristas are just used to Faye's acerbicness but Dora has reigned her in when it has gotten to be counterproductive. Also considering Dora bumped Faye up to Assistant Manager well after her breakup with Marten, and risked alienating her workstaff by doing so, it would be very hard for Faye to argue that Dora had it in for her because she's Marten's best friend.
There have also been examples given in this thread where Dora has stated coming to work drunk and/or high is a no. Faye did that, lied about it, and proceeded to try to get loaded again on the job.
Faye has no case.
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