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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #650 on: 06 Feb 2015, 00:27 »

You know, you could say that it's a kind of equality that Jeph handles Claire sexytimes the same way he handles everyone else's sexytimes. 

Thank you for saying what I was trying to say much better.
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #651 on: 06 Feb 2015, 00:28 »

You know, you could say that it's a kind of equality that Jeph handles Claire sexytimes the same way he handles everyone else's sexytimes. 

Also, we need a word that combines squee and daaaaaaaaang, but I can't figure out a portmanteau that doesn't sound really weird.

'Squang' just doesn't have the right feel to it...
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #652 on: 06 Feb 2015, 00:30 »

Deeeee?  :-D
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #653 on: 06 Feb 2015, 00:30 »

Am I the only one that thinks a girl (or anyone I guess, I just happen to like girls) acting like that is kinda sexy? Am I the weird one? Everyone seems to be saying that it's not, however cute they think it is.

I agree, so if you are weird, I'm weird as well.

There's definitely a certain appeal to how she's 'baring all' in this strip. And I'm not just talking about physically, here.
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #654 on: 06 Feb 2015, 00:34 »

I try not to comment on character relationships in this comic too often, but threads like these...baffle me.

Marten's been anxious about dealing with interns at his job since they showed up, but he's gradually come to terms with both that situation and, in his personal life, who he is and what he wants from a relationship. He still has his awkward moments - he hasn't become "suave" all of a sudden. Hell, he isn't suave. He's just less high strung than he used to be.

You'd be amazed how smooth and cool and smart you can sound when, really, all you're doing is being honest and not constantly second-guessing yourself about what you should say or how you should say it. Assuming, of course, you're a chill person underneath the neuroses in the first place.

This didn't come out of nowhere. It's always been there, hinted at here and there, sometimes taking center stage for short skips of time before he got all unsure of himself again.

We know substantially less about Claire, so there's much less to look at there, but for Marten? As far as I'm concerned there's nothing strange about his behavior here.

He's growing up. That's all it is.


Addendum: the combination of "squee" and "dang" is "Gosh."
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #655 on: 06 Feb 2015, 00:35 »

There's definitely a certain appeal to how she's 'baring all' in this strip. And I'm not just talking about physically, here.

I agree, I don't think that its weird or unsexy at all. I think also from a character perspective its important that the way she undresses here is more about her needs than his, which is something that I know some people felt was lacking from the previous comic.
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #656 on: 06 Feb 2015, 00:39 »

Also, she was wearing pink shorts under her dress?
That was my first thought too. Or Jeph forgot that she was wearing a dress in the previous strip. As for the bra-removal technique, I think Jeph's idea definitely is that she is doing it one-handed while also undoing her hair. Claire has a lot of hair... The whole strip is very nicely drawn. Claire's body-language is spot-on, I think. And look how exhausted-Marten in the first panel becomes inspired-Marten by the last (though he has bags under his eyes, which oddly he does not in the first).

With regard to the comments earlier in thread about relationships that are too bland for development, I think one needs to consider the focus of the strip. For some time Jeph's been focussing on Marten and Clair, and Faye's problems. I think it is natural for readers to assume that "nothing is happening" in relationships that are off-screen.
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #657 on: 06 Feb 2015, 00:40 »

Being undressed by someone else is shameful.  Like the phantom having his mask ripped off.

Undressing herself, assuring herself at each step that it was her own choice is different.  In the last moment she's still _naked_ rather than nude but every step up to that point was hers alone.

I'm also not sure how this can be interpreted as anything other than a sex scene, although if you find it unsexy that's a valid opinion.

It's really different from anything else Jeph has written or drawn. Deep, deep emotional intimacy. Nudity without titillation. I think it's tasteful and it sheds a lot of light on who Claire is and how she does. And I'm certainly spending a while thinking about it. It's really good.

I think also from a character perspective its important that the way she undresses here is more about her needs than his, which is something that I know some people felt was lacking from the previous comic.

HELL YES. How didn't I see that.

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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #658 on: 06 Feb 2015, 00:42 »

Two things (I think. we'll see if this gets longer or is just one thing split up when I'm done typing).

Re: Whether or not fade to black would have bee better: I say no. This bit here, this is basically an extension of the original relationship conversation, and I think, when reading the story as a whole rather than day by day, it flows well and is necessary. The comic wouldn't be ruined by a fade to black, of course, but whether or not we need to know how physically intimate they get, I think portraying the emotional intimacy and great caring between the characters like this was incredibly important (although I can't say that for certain until I see, oh, the next 8 months or so of comics). To me, this shows a lot about both characters in one comic- Claire's nervousness, both of their affection for each other, Marten's caring (and not caring, about whatever Claire did expect to bother him), etc. Even if it wasn't important, I'd think this was a good comic just for how much it shows in little details, eg Marten's eyes (the expression, not the kind of oddly arted), Claire's bra fumbling and stepping out of her panties awkwardly, body language in general, etc.

That said, while a huge fan of today's comic, not a huge fan of panel 5 (as mentioned), or panel 3 (height proportions what?) art wise. I wish he had re adjusted them just slightly even.

Re: realism: I usually refer to myself as gendersomething as I have issues finding the right thing on the spectrum, but anyway, reference point, I'm not cis, but I'm not transitioning.

Claire's reaction: She was nervous, but she also took things into her own hands. Both seem understandable with a fear of rejection (or perhaps the unknown, or just generally being nervous). Plus, Claire has been pretty strong willed about things (library work, cheating), so her wanting to show Marten herself herself seems to fit for me- and again, this doesn't contradict nervousness, which is pretty apparent from her facial expressions and posture (she's pretty much wincing when she takes off her bottoms). Also, I think it is realistic to a lot of other adult women, wanting to have it on their own terms and, even if they do so nervously say 'hey, this is me.' (which is more relevant in Claire's case).

Marten's reaction: There's a lot less to go off, but anyway- as I said before, this seems like a natural step from the first serious conversation (although I do not think the between dates were filler- while not super useful, they served to show that Marten and Claire had steps in between 'okay, date' and now). Ignoring the details I wrote about 'why is this comic necessary,' since it would all be repetition, I'll leave it at: he has been shown to really like Claire, and also has always been fairly charming, if awkward more early on. Even if he was slightly unsure what he'd see or startled, I'm not surprised that he got over it before really having time to react. Not sure if true to life ever, but I'd definitely call it realistic to his character.

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I'm going to bed, if I accidentally speculated genitalia or talked about sex too much, I'm sorry, but I'm just warning you that I won't see any critique or mod edits 'til morning, and it's not me avoiding it. I don't think I did either of those things, but just in case.
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #659 on: 06 Feb 2015, 00:44 »


Why does she choose to undress herself in this kind of prosaic, unsexy way instead of inviting him to undress her?



Had to stop catching up on the thread to respond to this.

You already know why, silly.

The old, cold Shadow is upon us, the shrieking and buzzing of a thousand killing doubts, an ocean of fear to again blot out the sun.

'W-well, this- this is me.'

The Beast dissipates, torn and scattered by the light. It will return, but in that moment? Victory.

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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #660 on: 06 Feb 2015, 00:45 »

Example of possible outfit involving a 'dress' and pants':

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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #661 on: 06 Feb 2015, 00:47 »

I like today's strip. Also: squeee. :)

Squee, as well.  Some moments are magical when done correctly.  Kudos to Jeph on this one.

Warning - while you were reading 3 other people are squee-ing as well. At this rate you'd better just quit previewing and hit Post or you'll never get it done.
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #662 on: 06 Feb 2015, 00:49 »

Today's strip may be my favourite QC of all time.

Sidenote: describing anything as being 'unsexy' is just dumb. Disregarding the experience factor, sexy is in the eye of the beholder in looks, activities, personality and everything else in between.
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #663 on: 06 Feb 2015, 00:51 »

Still, I guess Jeph will be careful drawing or describing Claire/Marten in a sexual context (like he did with Sven/Faye or Sven/Gina Riversmith). I guess Claire and Marten are fully clothed if we get a peek behind the bedroom door, but the most probable scenario is Marten and Claire coming out of the same bedroom door, encountering Faye for breakfast in tomorrow's strip. Whatever happened behind that door, will remain hidden. Faye should make pancakes. Claire's face will be redder than Grade A Dark Amber maple syrup.
Dang. I was wrong again :facepalm:

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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #664 on: 06 Feb 2015, 00:57 »

Sidenote: describing anything as being 'unsexy' is just dumb. Disregarding the experience factor, sexy is in the eye of the beholder in looks, activities, personality and everything else in between.

I just thought it was wrong here, because for one, I found it sexy.... and no, not because she got naked, but the way she went about it. The personality and and mood that's behind a girl acting like that (i.e. flustered, embarrassed, but not incredibly so, etc) has always been attractive to me and I've dated girls who acted very much like that and I always liked it.

It just seems odd the inordinate amount of people commenting that the way she went about this can't be construed as "sexy".
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #665 on: 06 Feb 2015, 00:58 »

In their defense, they're probably looking for the word 'sensual', not 'sexy'. An easy mistake to make, as we sometimes use them interchangeably.

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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #666 on: 06 Feb 2015, 00:59 »

Actually, before bed, were there any comments yet about Paradise by the Dashboard Lights yet? Because ever since my first read of Claire's first line it's been stuck in my head.
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #667 on: 06 Feb 2015, 01:00 »

And just like that, this thread is awesome.

THOUGH IT'S COLD AND LONELY IN NORTHAMPTON TONIIIIIGHT
I CAN SEE PARADIIIIISE FROM THE ANTHROPC'S LIIIIIGHT
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #668 on: 06 Feb 2015, 01:03 »

I don't know what you two are talking about, but I sang that to the beat of Fat Bottomed Girls by Queen and it worked out, so that's neat.
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #669 on: 06 Feb 2015, 01:04 »

This is just... too beautiful. Marten and Claire have both found a Good ThingTM within themselves and each other.

Claire first exposed her heart to Marten back at the lake house party, and he was cool about it. He walked into this relationship knowing full well that Claire was a trans-woman, and he didn't even bat an eyelid. And now she has exposed herself in the literal sense, and his response of "You're beautiful" has sent my own mind in loops because 1) it just wants this moment to last forever, 2) it wishes that its meatsack owner was so brave to say that to a couple of past someones that I let slip by, and 3) that more people were as chilled and relaxed as Marten so that people would more understand that life and living are things to be enjoyed rather than graded and judged

Warning - while you were having a brain fail 6 new replies have been posted. You may wish to contact a neurosurgeon.
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #670 on: 06 Feb 2015, 01:06 »

Last one.

Sidenote: describing anything as being 'unsexy' is just dumb. Disregarding the experience factor, sexy is in the eye of the beholder in looks, activities, personality and everything else in between.

I just thought it was wrong here, because for one, I found it sexy.... and no, not because she got naked, but the way she went about it. The personality and and mood that's behind a girl acting like that (i.e. flustered, embarrassed, but not incredibly so, etc) has always been attractive to me and I've dated girls who acted very much like that and I always liked it.

It just seems odd the inordinate amount of people commenting that the way she went about this can't be construed as "sexy".

- To the non-quoted ones about it being unsexy, I highly doubt sexy was the point. As well as this not being a titillating webcomic, I think she was more concerned with revealing herself to Marten than with making a sexy strip tease.

- A lot of people like more awkward undressing and find it sexy. The nervousness can be a bit of a rush, or the intimacy of knowing someone's letting you be there when they are nervous and that they trust you, or, if one's used to porn/movies/sexy sexy one night stands, the reminder that this person is really human and really there and not an airbrushed, unattainable thing can be sexy indeed too. I do cam modelling and sell some videos, usually custom, and my clients, especially regulars, love candidness, whether it's an awkward undress or giggling a bit or whatever.

So, the people saying it's unsexy/unsensual are, in my mind wrong on two counts, because it is not supposed to be sexy, and at the same time, many people would consider it sexy (do Marten and Claire? no idea, don't care as long as they're happy next comic).
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #671 on: 06 Feb 2015, 01:09 »

I don't know what you two are talking about, but I sang that to the beat of Fat Bottomed Girls by Queen and it worked out, so that's neat.

Meatloaf song.

Relevant part:
"STOP RIGHT THERE!
I gotta know right now-
Before we go any further

do you love me,
and will you love me forever?"

Also like, the funnest thing to sing.
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #672 on: 06 Feb 2015, 01:14 »

Oh okay, yes then. I am glad I am part of this now.  :-D
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #673 on: 06 Feb 2015, 01:21 »

Alright, question answered!

Well done, Jeph.  Handled with grace and maturity.
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #674 on: 06 Feb 2015, 01:28 »

Also, we need a word that combines squee and daaaaaaaaang, but I can't figure out a portmanteau that doesn't sound really weird.

"Squuuaaang", whilst reading weird actually sounds like a guitar chord. This means that it can either by typed or you can add a sound clip of a dramatic electric chord.
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #675 on: 06 Feb 2015, 01:32 »

14 PAGES BY FR....wait, never mind.
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #676 on: 06 Feb 2015, 01:54 »

I just saw the comic again.  Did Jeph go back and color in her eyes in panel 2 after the comic was up? 
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #677 on: 06 Feb 2015, 01:55 »

Because nipples are terrorists.
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #678 on: 06 Feb 2015, 01:55 »

I just saw the comic again.  Did Jeph go back and color in her eyes in panel 2 after the comic was up? 

No, your colour blindness was cured by the squeee!  :-D
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #679 on: 06 Feb 2015, 02:02 »

I just saw the comic again.  Did Jeph go back and color in her eyes in panel 2 after the comic was up? 

No, your colour blindness was cured by the squeee!  :-D

That must be it.  Praise be to the squeeee.
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #680 on: 06 Feb 2015, 02:14 »

Well, dang. I didn't think Jeph would go there.

There are plenty of things they can do safely without condoms, so that's not an issue.

Also, I'm seeing some parallels between 2891 and... Hanako's sex scene in Katawa Shoujo, oddly enough. (However, something tells me that whatever Claire and Marten are going to do next, it's going to go far, far better than that.)
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #681 on: 06 Feb 2015, 02:27 »

Okay, time for my Next Week Strips I'd Like to See!

MONDAY
A 'couples in bed' strip:
PANEL 1 - PENNY and WIL - They're on separate pillows, not hugging or cuddling but PENNY turned towards WIL in a comfortable way. For some reason, WIL is wearing a hairnet over his moustache;
PANEL 2 - DALE and MARIGOLD in a spoon cuddle;
PANEL 3 - Close up of the side of FAYE's face, staring sleeplessly up at the ceiling with tear-tracks on her cheek
PANEL 4 - DORA, curled up with her knees to her chest, crying, teeth clenched; TAI is hugging DORA from behind and stroking her hair;
PANEL 5 (full width) - MARTEN and CLAIRE under rumpled sheets; CLAIRE tucked up tight under Marten's right arm as he strokes her face with his left hand.

TUESDAY
PANEL 1 - MARTEN and CLAIRE, hand-in-hand (CLAIRE in a spare TEH-Shirt) standing in the door of the kitchen; FAYE is sipping her coffee with PINTSIZE sitting on the counter.
PINTSIZE: (fake horror) "The Banshees! The Banshees are amongst us!"
FAYE: "Quiet, or I'll turn you off again!"
PANEL 2 - Close up on MARTEN and CLAIRE smiling at each other
FAYE (off-panel): So, you two are a thing-thing now?"
MARTEN: "Yeah, we kind of clicked last night."
CLAIRE: "I think we're gonna try for the long run."
PANEL 3 - FAYE gesturing with her coffee cup; her expression is teasing
FAYE: "Good. Just one thing: I'm all for the free expression of love, y'know."
PANEL 4 - MARTEN and CLARE are looking at each other and blushing. FAYE, in extreme foreground, is drinking some of her coffee with an expression of righteousness
FAYE: "Just try not to express it for four goddamn loud hours next time!"

WEDNESDAY
PANEL 1 - KITCHEN - FAYE and MARTEN are drinking coffee whilst CLAIRE has a glass of orange juice
FAYE: "Claire, gotta be adults. Marty here has had a lot of shitty relationships. Some of it has been him and some of it has been the girl. The point is that he's the best guy in the world and he don't deserve the drama he's had in his love life. He deserves a girl who's crazy about him and will make him happy!"
PANEL 2 - FAYE is pointing at a frantically-nodding CLAIRE
FAYE: "And if you hurt him because of some dumb-ass neuroses of yours, I'll rip out your hair, weave a noose with it and strangle you, GOT THAT?"
PANEL 3 - FAYE is now in MARTEN's face
FAYE: "Marten, it doesn't take a genius to figure that you're Red's first serious thing. She's a good kid and she's put a lot of trust in you. This means that you've got to stop this passive shit! She needs you to step up, take her by the hand and be a driving force, not a passenger!"
PANEL 4 - FAYE is holding the front of MARTEN's tee-shirt; MARTEN is nodding frantically
FAYE: "And if you hurt her because you can't do that, then I'll rip them off and make you eat them before I wring your neck like one of Gramma's chickens back home! GOT THAT?"
PANEL 5 - MARTEN and CLAIRE are looking at each other, more surprised than afraid. FAYE is, again, sipping the coffee of the righteous. PINTSIZE is standing in between them.
FAYE: "Good. I'm glad we had this little talk. Have fun, kiddies!"
PINTSIZE: "She's been rehearsing that all night; I talked her out of the visual aids."

THURSDAY
I'm thinking a filler; maybe Mrs A telling Clinton that Claire has gone to spend the night with Marten and threatening unspecified retribution if he interferes or responds in any way. Clinton is all huffy and 'phones Emily to tell her that his mother doesn't understand him and is she still on for the movie tonight?

FRIDAY
PANEL 1 - Marten and Claire standing in front of the checking-back counter at the Library, TAI behind the counter, leaning on her palm, elbow braced on the counter, and smiling knowingly.
TAI: "Morning, kiddies! Good to see you!"
PANEL 2 - CLAIRE has an armful of books and TAI is with her.
TAI: "So, get enough sleep last night?"
CLAIRE: "We both did! I mean... we both slept... I mean... Marten fell asleep first...!"
PANEL 3 - A smug TAI has her arm around a beet-red CLAIRE's shoulder
CLAIRE: "I... I... Oh... God!"
TAI: "Don't be embarrassed kiddo; it was obvious the minute you walked in! You've got the 'I got some last night' glow and Marten is strutting the 'I've made love to the most beautiful girl in town' strut!"
PANEL 4 - CLAIRE is even redder and covering her mouth with one hand, whilst TAI is grinning.
CLAIRE: "After last night, I'm surprised that either of us can even walk... OHMIGOD! I can't believe I said that!"
TAI: "Oh... dooo tell!"
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #682 on: 06 Feb 2015, 03:01 »

Claire's face in panel 4 is the happiest we've ever seen her.

I think that says all that needs to be said really.
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #683 on: 06 Feb 2015, 03:37 »

You know, you could say that it's a kind of equality that Jeph handles Claire sexytimes the same way he handles everyone else's sexytimes. 

Also, we need a word that combines squee and daaaaaaaaang, but I can't figure out a portmanteau that doesn't sound really weird.

'Squang' just doesn't have the right feel to it...

I don't know, I think "squang" might have the most perfect feel of any portmanteau/neologism ever.
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #684 on: 06 Feb 2015, 04:29 »

I'm going to more or less skip the post I've been composing in my head since this comic went up, a post that basically asks "Did Jeph just lampshade the shit out of our September/October debates about the propriety of discussing Claire's anatomy?" That was the gist of it, anyway. The head-composition was ridiculously long, and may or may not have quoted Judith Butler and Lauren Berlant.

But to get to the more human, less snarky side of things: This is so bold of Claire. To simply undress in front of someone - someone you like and respect and are deeply attracted to - for the first time and basically say, "Well, here's what you're getting"...that takes guts for anyone. For Claire, given all that we know about her personality and lack of a history of physical intimacy...it's downright heroic. What a great strip.

And to throw my hat into the "sexy/unsexy ring, I think this moment would be sexy as hell, regardless of what the body in question looks like. The gesture is sexy, if nothing else.

ETA: I didn't mean to suggest that I wanted to be snarky about the Somewhat Delicate Topic. Just that discussing narrative devices like lampshading tends to head into snarky territory rather quickly, regardless of the lampshading's subject matter.

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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #685 on: 06 Feb 2015, 04:59 »

What's wrong with over analyzing? Making simple things complicated can be a ton o' fun sometimes. :P

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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #686 on: 06 Feb 2015, 05:13 »

The Beast dissipates, torn and scattered by the light. It will return, but in that moment? Victory.

The comic made me smile. 

That line made me tear up.

Good job.
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #687 on: 06 Feb 2015, 05:13 »

Okay, time for my Next Week Strips I'd Like to See!

MONDAY
A 'couples in bed' strip:
PANEL 1 - PENNY and WIL - They're on separate pillows, not hugging or cuddling but PENNY turned towards WIL in a comfortable way. For some reason, WIL is wearing a hairnet over his moustache;
PANEL 2 - DALE and MARIGOLD in a spoon cuddle;
PANEL 3 - Close up of the side of FAYE's face, staring sleeplessly up at the ceiling with tear-tracks on her cheek
PANEL 4 - DORA, curled up with her knees to her chest, crying, teeth clenched; TAI is hugging DORA from behind and stroking her hair;
PANEL 5 (full width) - MARTEN and CLAIRE under rumpled sheets; CLAIRE tucked up tight under Marten's right arm as he strokes her face with his left hand.

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Hey! I already called that (although I thought it was going to be today...)

I'm a bit surprised that he spelled it out this far and wasn't subtle about it; it's a very delicate subject, easy to get wrong and in this thread about half of the people jump on that and half defend it (a minority tend to go well off topic and into Monty Python). However I think most people would agree that it's very well written and very artistically drawn, so Kudos to you Jeph  8-).

Although quite recently Marten's eyes have sometimes looked a bit off, can't put my finger on why that is.

Also squee.
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #688 on: 06 Feb 2015, 05:30 »

I rarely post here, but I just wanted to put this out there...

Damn you Jeph for making me cry!

-signed: person who has been there with a very, very opposite reaction from the other person.

Also, squeeee
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #689 on: 06 Feb 2015, 05:46 »

In a straight-ish guy, maybe a little flexible, I dunno. I have done really good trans gaming buddies, and their awesome, and I just want to say I wish more guys would accept trans chicks. Every time I see another fucking horror story in the news, I feel bad that I didn't meet her first. There's no reason not to love a girl.

I do have other male friends who are trans friendly. It disappoints me that they "don't know" if they'd date a trans girl, but I'm happy threes guys that wouldn't freak out if their girlfriend was trans. It's a step in the right direction, I guess.

In not very good with words so please don't sandblast me to hard. tl;dr: I'd totally date a trans girl no problem, my male friends are at the very least trans friendly, just don't know many trans girls
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #690 on: 06 Feb 2015, 05:54 »

I rarely post here, but I just wanted to put this out there...

Damn you Jeph for making me cry!

-signed: person who has been there with a very, very opposite reaction from the other person.

Also, squeeee


Also double post sarry.
In so sorry you experienced that, you and the other trans ladies are why I posted, because it's hard out there, and I want to spread some real hope, because there are decent dudes out there, and I hope all you ladies find one (or another lady if you swing that way)
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #691 on: 06 Feb 2015, 05:58 »

I just want to comment on how excellence has been goddamn achieved with Claire's hair. And then move along.
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #692 on: 06 Feb 2015, 06:13 »

I just want to comment on how excellence has been goddamn achieved with Claire's hair. And then move along.

Would you call that a blow drive-by comment?  :claireface:

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(K, one hell of a stretch but something called out for a pun. Probably the mention of Claire)
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #693 on: 06 Feb 2015, 06:14 »

I don't know what you two are talking about, but I sang that to the beat of Fat Bottomed Girls by Queen and it worked out, so that's neat.
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #694 on: 06 Feb 2015, 06:15 »

I just want to comment on how excellence has been goddamn achieved with Claire's hair. And then move along.

Would you call that a blow drive-by comment?  :claireface:

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(K, one hell of a stretch but something called out for a pun. Probably the mention of Claire)

[AFTERGLOW]
Claire:   Well, I guess you're not a bicycle.
Marten:  Huh?
Claire:   You weren't too tired.
 :clairedoge:

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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #695 on: 06 Feb 2015, 06:22 »

[AFTERGLOW]
Claire:   Well, I guess you're not a bicycle.
Marten:  Huh?
Claire:   You weren't too tired.
 :clairedoge:

I can actually see that as the first three panels. Panel 4 is Faye banging on the dividing wall and shouting at them to stop laughing like lunatics.
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #696 on: 06 Feb 2015, 06:33 »

I just saw the comic again.  Did Jeph go back and color in her eyes in panel 2 after the comic was up?

Yes. Yes, he did. I noticed her eyes were white on Panel 2 when he uploaded the comic; he fixed them a little bit later. Now I can concentrate on the issue of why Claire would use pink shorts with a blue dress, because when you mix blue and pink you get either purple, baby clothes or a song. Or all three at the same time.

And now, taking it from the idea of baby clothes, I still expect they have a reasonable number of babies. Mr. John Ellicott-Chatham, sir, you better hurry up with that technology. Some of us in the real world will benefit from it too.
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #697 on: 06 Feb 2015, 06:36 »

I just want to comment on how excellence has been goddamn achieved with Claire's hair. And then move along.

Would you call that a blow drive-by comment?  :claireface:

...

(K, one hell of a stretch but something called out for a pun. Probably the mention of Claire)

[AFTERGLOW]
Claire:   Well, I guess you're not a bicycle.
Marten:  Huh?
Claire:   You weren't too tired.
 :clairedoge:

Oh, nice one. I'd suggest we pun in tandem but I lack the wit to do that.
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #698 on: 06 Feb 2015, 06:37 »

Count me as one of the ones offput by Marten's new "soulful" eyes.  I think part of it is Jeph is now more into showing his characters staring directly at the *fourth wall," whereas in the past they were usually in profile or looking away.  But either way, Martin gives me the creeps whenever we get a closeup of his eyes now. 

Which brings me to the one problem with the strip.  Marten doesn't take his eyes off of Claire's face, from what we can see, in the last two panels. 

Claire is looking for acceptance of her body, not her face, since Marten knows her face already.  This includes her bits, or she wouldn't have taken off her panties.  Any straight dude, if he sees his GF naked for the first time, is going to scan her whole body (whether she's trans or cis) and just take it all in. 

Marten may have done this off-panel.  Indeed, I'm expecting he did, and the lack of his eyes traveling downward is an oversight by Jeph.  But it does make his "You're beautiful" come across as a bit disingenuous to me.  Not that he doesn't think she's beautiful, but as if he's saying it to be supportive and reassuring.  That his eyes not traveling south signals he's either uncomfortable to some degree, or worried she'd be uncomfortable with him doing so (which is a misread, IMHO). 
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Re: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015)
« Reply #699 on: 06 Feb 2015, 06:37 »

I just want to comment on how excellence has been goddamn achieved with Claire's hair. And then move along.

Would you call that a blow drive-by comment?  :claireface:

...

(K, one hell of a stretch but something called out for a pun. Probably the mention of Claire)

[AFTERGLOW]
Claire:   Well, I guess you're not a bicycle.
Marten:  Huh?
Claire:   You weren't too tired.
 :clairedoge:

Oh, nice one. I'd suggest we pun in tandem but I lack the wit to do that.

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