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Alice Grove MCDT - May 2015

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osaka:
I don't think you're quite grasping the situation. Yes, Gavia almost MOAB'd the village down, but that was taken care of. And we do understand that Jeb might not want her around at all, but that's not his call to make. No-one's actually.

Jeb was first and foremost told that the "demons" are not dangerous. Something I believe Alice should know better since she's lived with them for several weeks and everyone in town knows that. Jeb responded with a "SHUT UP WOMAN". There's people who only react to brute force, think of the school bully. Since Alice probably knows Jeb better than Jeb knows himself, she decided to go that route because she knew it'd be quick, effective and easy. Something really important if you need to defuse a bomb, which was basically the case here.

Reminder that Alice is regarded to as a witch. "Reason" at the level of tech the vicissitudes are working with probably does not apply to these people. "Listen, they're not dangerous, they just have <insert convoluted tech talk here>" "BURN THEM".
I know Gavia did that to some townsfolk, but that was AFTER Alice told them "You can trust me when I tell you that they're not dangerous".

Which by the way would be the same thing the village elder would say after being explained the situation and most definitely he's several hundred years younger than Alice, so I still don't see how your point could work.

Neko_Ali:
Didn't we have basically this same conversation a few weeks ago? An important thing to remember is that Jeph is a writer. These are characters. Just because a character has a certain trait doesn't mean that the author has it, or espouses it as a good thing. Alice is an ancient being, and a powerful one. None of the people in the village are contemporaries to her in any way. She is also patronizing, arrogant and enjoys being feared a little bit. She's also used to her authority and knowledge going unquestioned. In some ways, she's a bully, the big fish in a lake of single celled organisms. In other ways she's an adult watching over a pre-school. Her interaction with Jeb was basically a four year old yelling at her, and her pulling him aside and saying "Calm down and listen to what I say. Do you want me to give you a spanking in front of your friends? If you listen, I'll give you a cookie." She's not a nice person, but she's hardly an example of Evul Feminizm either.

Both Gavia and Ardent have issues with self control and boundaries, largely because of the environment they were raised in, most likely. Gavia mentioned that children run free where they come from because it's safe for them to. She also has a short temper and likes using her powers. But she has enough control to only use them to scare people, instead of just flash-frying them. Or maybe she just doesn't have the power to do real damage. Her attack on the town seemed mostly like magician's flash powder. A big burst of short flame that doesn't really do anything but make a big show. She is aggressive certainly. She goes for the first first every time she felt threatened so far, instead of putting up her shield.

As far as the elder threatening Gavia and her and Alice's reactions... Both of them know that the old man is zero danger to Gavia. Essentially it's like a toddler threatening to beat her up and Gavia going 'oh no, won't you save me from the wrath of his tiny fist.'

And to answer the recurring theme of 'Why does Alice dismiss the reasonable fears of the townsfolk'. Because to her, they are not reasonable. They make as much sense as a kid worried about a monster in the closet. That doesn't make the child any less scared, and Alice could be more tactful about how she calmed the townsfolk about Gavia... But again, tact is not one of Alice's things. She is a 'Listen to me because I know more than you' person.

Is it cold in here?:
Starting at least with the disturbing glee with which she beat up Gavia, it's been clear that Alice is being characterized as Not A Nice Person. There's no reason to think that Jeph is endorsing her tactics and attitude.

mikmaxs:
This seems familiar.

Except I really don't get the feminism angle...

Method of Madness:

--- Quote from: Benergy on 28 May 2015, 23:24 ---If so, how do we square this circle with her nearly cooking those kids?
--- End quote ---
I don't think she was ever going to hurt the kids, I think she was just trying to scare them off.

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