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Turns up and tells Faye she'll fight her to protect Marten from her!

At the Library, insists on routing all conversation with Marten through Faye

Toe-curling unconvincing attempt at persuading Marten she has a 'more important' person too

Writes depressing music about abandonment that is later a hit for Deathmole

Pretends it never happened and then bursts into tears at random intervals

Turns up and is mean to Faye who (surprisingly) bursts into tears and confesses all her dark history

[Is it cold in here?]

How many therapists does it take to change a light bulb?

Just one, but the bulb has to want to change.

[chaospersonified]

Yes. Life isn't about how you get knocked down; it's about how you get up again. Over and over and over again

[jwhouk]

Yes. Life isn't about how you get knocked down; it's about how you get up again. Over and over and over again

I get knocked down, but I get up again, you're never gonna keep me down...

[wlewisiii]

Somehow I'm not sure that a song that celebrates abusing alcohol as the means of getting "back up again" is quite what you want to use here...

[chaospersonified]

Somehow I'm not sure that a song that celebrates abusing alcohol as the means of getting "back up again" is quite what you want to use here...

I'm not sure if I follow. The song is about political process, the term 'tubthumping' is a political one referring to how politicians can go around trying to raise money, if I recall correctly.

I don't even know, with the video, I just saw the phrase 'get knocked down' followed shortly thereafter by 'get up again,' thought 'fuck yeah, chumbawamba,' and decided I'd have my particular earworm infect all of your brains.

[chaospersonified]

the mention of alcohol =/= the abuse thereof, though considering everything, listening to the song again, it definitely seems that's what's happening.

The title of this song, I find bizarre, considering they chose a political title, then describe a dude getting drunk. Maybe there's context to this "Danny Boy" that we don't know. Who the eff was this Danny, and why did Chumbawamba care that he did not cry for them?

[jwhouk]

...You obviously have no idea who Chumbawumba is.

"Irish Anarchist Punk" would be the best description.

[chaospersonified]

...You obviously have no idea who Chumbawumba is.

"Irish Anarchist Punk" would be the best description.

Never claimed I did. Wikipedia calls them Irish Anarcho-punk, which is more information than I cared about. The song's catchy as eff. Not especially quality, but damn fun. That's what I care about

[Kugai]

Aaaand

I'm getting 'This Video is not available' on that

[Timemaster]

Aah, Chumbawamba. I´ve got the CD with the song on it. The booklet says about tubthumping:

"Tubthumping" is shouting to change the world (than having a drink to celebrate). It´s stumbling home back from your local bar when the world is ready to be PUT RIGHT...

There is also a quote of the poem "Get Drunk" by Charles Baudelaire:

Always be drunk.
That's it!
The great imperative!
In order not to feel
Time's horrid fardel
bruise your shoulders,
grinding you into the earth,
Get drunk and stay that way.
On what?
On wine, poetry, virtue, whatever.
But get drunk.
And if you sometimes happen to wake up
on the porches of a palace,
in the green grass of a ditch,
in the dismal loneliness of your own room,
your drunkenness gone or disappearing,
ask the wind,
the wave,
the star,
the bird,
the clock,
ask everything that flees,
everything that groans
or rolls
or sings,
everything that speaks,
ask what time it is;
and the wind,
the wave,
the star,
the bird,
the clock
will answer you:
"Time to get drunk!
Don't be martyred slaves of Time,
Get drunk!
Stay drunk!
On wine, virtue, poetry, whatever!

Charles Baudelaire, 1866

I saw Chumbawamba life about 15 years ago. A big dissapointment. Uninspired and obviously they only wanted to get over with the gig. No encore even thought the audience shouted for one.
But the album is still very nice. Sometimes, when I´m in a bad mood there is nothing better than catchy social-critical songs about what in the world has to be PUT RIGHT!

TM

[wlewisiii]

I  saw Chumbawamba life about 15 years ago. A big dissapointment. Uninspired and obviously they only wanted to get over with the gig. No encore even thought the audience shouted for one.
But the album is still very nice. Sometimes, when I´m in a bad mood there is nothing better than catchy social-critical songs about what in the world has to be PUT RIGHT!

TM

i never saw them as political just stereotypical drunkards, so that part is news to me. I'll listen to Drop Kick Murphys or Black 47 or even early U2 for Irish political music instead.

I can dig what you're saying here but that's when I throw on "London Calling", turn the stereo and my amp up all the way & play my Telecaster along with Joe's rhythm guitar line. Doesn't change anything in the world but it will make the foul mood go away.

Dragging this back, kicking and screaming, to topic, Faye needs to find something she can use to chase the black dog away. Perhaps that's her sculpture or perhaps something else she's never tried before. But change has to come in her life if she's going to really stop drinking and considering it's fear of change that drives much of it, this could still be a very long haul.

[Kugai]

She could always build a brick fence

*Shrug*   Worked for Churchill

[ReindeerFlotilla]

Before jumping to judgments, and I know this comic has never really focused on money (because how boring would that be), but it's important to keep this in mind when thinking about this and more importantly about real life people with substance abuse issues...

Well, now,  I never said she could afford pro help, though she'd already gotten a therapist, and she's probably still insured for a little bit (unless the time gap is bigger than let on.

Still, I was just responding to someone else saying that Marten wasn't the best person to have a talk with. And he's not the best. But, to paraphrase the philosopher Rumsfeld, you go to war the Marten you have, not the Marten you wish you could get.

[Thrillho]

It's not about how hard you hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done!

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- Rocky Balboa

[Storel]

Didn't Rocky lose?

[Thrillho]

He lost his first title match. Then he won the title two more times. And the quote is from the sixth movie in which... he also lost. But on points, to a man forty years younger than him.

[Kugai]

But still walked tall from the ring

[Near Lurker]

i never saw them as political just stereotypical drunkards, so that part is news to me. I'll listen to Drop Kick Murphys or Black 47 or even early U2 for Irish political music instead.

Have you ever heard of, ah, literally anything they wrote other than Tubthumping?  No, really, literally anything?  I mean, maybe they're just a bunch of drunks compared to the Bostonians named for a rehab center...

("Tubthumping," incidentally, means "campaigning.")

[chaospersonified]

Have you ever heard of, ah, literally anything they wrote other than Tubthumping?  No, really, literally anything?

I got a feeling that's a no.

I have a similar feeling it would be a 'no' from the vast majority of people who sing that song at karaoke.

[wlewisiii]

i never saw them as political just stereotypical drunkards, so that part is news to me. I'll listen to Drop Kick Murphys or Black 47 or even early U2 for Irish political music instead.

Have you ever heard of, ah, literally anything they wrote other than Tubthumping?  No, really, literally anything?  I mean, maybe they're just a bunch of drunks compared to the Bostonians named for a rehab center...

("Tubthumping," incidentally, means "campaigning.")

Of course not. I heard that song and wrote them off as drunkards and idiots.

[Method of Madness]

Just because they sing the songs that remind them of the good times? Or because they mix whiskey, vodka, lager and cider?

[chaospersonified]

Just because they sing the songs that remind them of the good times? Or because they mix whiskey, vodka, lager and cider?

Hmmm...
*squints*

You would judge me, wouldn't you? Drinks go in order from what you like to what you can afford to what you can scrounge up.

[Near Lurker]

Of course not. I heard that song and wrote them off as drunkards and idiots.

...um... how much Dropkick Murphys have you heard?

(And if I weren't restricting myself to legal uploads...)

[Method of Madness]

They were referring to Chumbawumba. (Legal as in uploaded by the band or record themselves? Why restrict yourself so?)

[Near Lurker]

I know - but they'd compared them unfavorably with DKM, two of whose singles are "Barroom Hero," which is pretty much the same basic idea, and "The Spicy McHaggis Jig," which is... not exactly Yeats.  (The third I linked, "Sunshine Highway," is more thoughtful, about a rehab frequent flyer.)

I'm harping on this a bit - and I do have a soft spot for DKM - but to praise them while writing Chumbawumba off based on that one song struck me as... bizarre.

(Also, laws are pointy little things.)

[chaospersonified]

I mean, I never considered myself a HUGE Dropkick Murphy's song, but I know enough to randomly recognize what douchebro Mcgee is playing in the middle of thecnight on his guitar. 

I learned their music through Pandora and later youtube searching, but I got no clue what those songs sound like, Near Lurker. Singles don't have power in today's world.

[jwhouk]

DKM has a few songs that pretty much any hockey fan would recognize two seconds in.

[Method of Madness]

I just know "Shipping Up to Boston" and "(F)lannigan's Ball" (Guitar Hero 3).

[Timemaster]

When I saw Chumbawamba life I had the impression that some of the band members were pretty drunk. Increasingly so during the gig. 

But the songs I know (wich are pretty much all on the album "Tubthumper") are mostly not about drinking ones ass off, but rather about social themes. Workers rights, coalminers stikes in the 80´s, corruption of working union leaders, high rents for small flats and so on.
Many of these songs can be counted as protest songs, taking an anarchistic or socialistic stance. As far as I know Chumbawamba was a kind of anarchistic non-profit band then, giving its winnings to civil rights organisations or small protest groups. The members of the group changed very often, when I saw them life I recognized only about half of the band from the pictures of the booklet. Especially the female leadsinger was someone else than on the album (and not nearly as good, voice-wise).

Nonetheless the other songs on "Tubthumping" are nice and catchy too. If someone happens to stumble over the CD secondhand for a good price I´d recomment buying it.

TM