Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT Strips 3506 to 3510 (19 June to 23 June 2017)
Case:
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--- Quote from: Case on 22 Jun 2017, 03:05 ---Someone seems to have a penchant ...
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Case, you are such a peasant.
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Well, that's not very pleasant
Dammit.. Ninja'd !
...like a pheasant...
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Oh that's just cold, turkey ...
JoeCovenant:
To be serious for a moment...
I don't, think anyone has suggested "praising Marten to the skies" because he happens to be 'in love with a trans woman'.
But, does that mean he should perhaps be at least lauded for doing so?
In a perfect world.. of course not...
But here... on this planet? Well... socially... internally... and in one's own mind... yes.
NOT because trans people are anything other than people, but because if not for people like Marten, then trans folk would still be sidelined and viewed as "other" by the VAST majority of the populace. This is not a belittlement of trans-folk, it most certainly is not trans-phobia, it is a simple reflection of the FACT that at this point in time trans-folk are still viewed as ... 'unusual'... by those whom society at the moment deems as 'normal'.
And the sad fact is, that such behaviour at this point in our evolution can certainly be viewed as *brave*.
NOT because he is dating someone who was born with the wrong genitalia for themselves, but purely because of the number of outspoken bigoted cretins out there, who would take GREAT delight in trying to tear apart Marten's "manhood" or questioning his sexual identity, or even physically assault him because of it.
IS that brave? Actually, yeah... it is in my book.
All of which can, sadly, lead to the end of said relationships - either because "Marten" can't take the constant bullying about it... or "Claire" can't stand to see them being hurt 'because of me!'
I gotta say, I get a bit WTF when these sort of debates arise. The worse one I think was the whole safety pin fiasco when people were actively attacking people with the pin on show on social media as *not doing enough*... failing to notice (or even concede) that doing SOMETHING is better than doing nothing, that a show of support lets the people affected know they are NOT as isolated as they may think.
Slightly related to this... I just get miffed at the militancy of certain sections who attack all and sundry if they do not walk the same path as those same militants...
Use that same debate for religion and I think we all know where that leads.
In essence... if someone is supporting your cause, don't be a dick and rat on them for not supporting your cause *enough*, because all that will do is turn them away from you. Maybe better aim your anger at those who are actively, openly and joyfully attacking you?
...just a thought.
Tova:
--- Quote from: DannyboyTheDane on 22 Jun 2017, 03:47 ---According to Claire, Dora said that Marten isn't good at dealing with insecurity. Now, there are several ways to read that, and Marten himself doesn't seem to think much of it, even being able to jokingly poke at Claire for it in the last panel - and nobody in here has mentioned it, either (until dawolf just now), so maybe it's really just me, but ... isn't that kind of a really unfair depiction of how it went down between Dora and Marten? I feel like that phrasing suggests on some level that it was Marten's failing that he wasn't accepting enough of Dora's insecurities, when it was my impression that everyone in the comic, even Dora herself, seemed to agree that her behaviour had been unfair. Heck, she was the one who chose to end it, based on that. I know relationships and their failings are often too complex to entirely lay the blame at any one person's feet, but I think what struck me was that I believe this is the first time I've seen Marten criticised for his handling of the situation. Sure, he was less graceful in certain moments than in others, but overall I think he's been pretty good at alleviating insecurities in his partners - both Dora and now Claire. I don't know, it just feels kind of like a slap in the face to say Marten is bad at handling insecurity - especially for Dora, of all people.
But yeah, I might just be reading way too much into it in the worst possible way. We don't even know specifically what Dora told Claire versus what Claire took from it versus how she expresses it to Marten here. Anyway, what are your thoughts on this?
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If Dora did express that opinion... my immediate reaction is to wonder whether this opinion was formed, not on her own, but during discussion with her therapist.
There are two sides to every relationship difficulty, and yes, Dora was very insecure, but it's not an unfair observation to make, IMO, that Marten did not (and does not) handle insecurity well. Considering how well balanced Marten normally is, this is one of the very few scenarios that Marten fails to handle with equanimity (the other one that comes to mind being his mother expressing her sexuality).
Considering Marten's sure handling of his and Claire's relationship in all other respects, his loss of balance here is notable.
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Argh. :wink:
Actually, you know, to take what you've said a little further, I don't think that anyone suggested Marten should be "praised to the skies" for anything. As I recall, the wording was "he doesn't deserve this rom-com BS." That's not the same thing, you know, as "lauding to the skies" or even giving him a cookie.
Having said that, every relationship has its occasional troubled waters. It's a part of the package. So I don't completely agree with the original statement anyway. This isn't really rom-com BS is it? It's just life.
JoeCovenant:
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Argh. :wink:
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:roll:
Shurrup!!! :)
JoeCovenant:
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--- Quote from: Case on 22 Jun 2017, 03:05 ---Someone seems to have a penchant ...
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Case, you are such a peasant.
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Well, that's not very pleasant
Dammit.. Ninja'd !
...like a pheasant...
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Oh that's just cold, turkey ...
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I know... maybe I should just stop posting and go back to being lurkey
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