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Alice Grove MCDLT - THE END...?
mikmaxs:
--- Quote from: brasca on 05 Jul 2017, 22:56 ---
--- Quote from: mikmaxs on 05 Jul 2017, 21:08 ---Hmmm. :/
I'm kind of disappointed by this resolution, mostly because every part of it is so implausible that instead of feeling like "Oh, that's such a cool thing to do with the scenario presented!", I'm just thinking, "... What?"
Firstly, if Supersoldier Bones that were randomly broken into shards made a strong enough knife to punch through Supersoldier Armor, why wasn't Alice just armed with a bone knife when she fought him before the Blink? Don't bury him, stab him to death. (Or bury him, uncover the top of his head, THEN stab him to death.)
Second, we've seen that Church is MUCH faster than Alice (being able to cross several paces before Alice can move her arm two feet(, who in turn is - if not faster - at least stronger than Sedna. So either 1, why wasn't Church running at anywhere near top speed, or 2, how dod Sedna suddenly run faster than him?
Third, Laridia is clearly not scared of Church, even remotely: She views him as a minor potential nuisance. Based on this, it seems unlikely that a fight could break out at all.
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When Alice fought Church 5000 years ago it was probably before the Blink and her superiors might've ordered her to leave him buried in magma so they could reuse him later. After the Blink there was no one that knew he was there except Alice who I doubt wanted to go to the trouble to kill him. As for why he didn't move at top speed I believe Gavia was the target and there was no need to move so quickly. She was the only one who could put Pate in check in such a way that Church could do nothing. The rest could be killed at his leisure.
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HE GOT HIT WITH A SPACE LASER. That's not 'Let's leave him alive but incapacitated', that's 'We are hitting him with literally the most powerful weapon we have in our arsenal.'
Also: There's no frames of reference to be certain of this, but every single panel that shoes Church moving implies that he's rocketing forward at top speed, not taking his leisurely time. Keep in mind that he has to kill Gavia before she can get her nanobots inside Pate again - He'd be wanting to get that done immediately, before anything could slow him down. (It apparently takes no time to use the Nanobots, so he had until gavia saw him moving. That's a tiny window of time, and he seemed eager to kill.)
Is it cold in here?:
What kind of kamikaze mode might the super-soldiers have?
Alice has some internal power source that can deliver enough energy to break large amounts of reinforced concrete, in a fraction of a second. Can it be shorted out?
mikmaxs:
--- Quote from: emsilly on 05 Jul 2017, 23:16 ---Two things:
1) I think that the Sedna arm rip comic showed something which in all likelihood took less than a second of actual time.
2) Nobody seems to have brought this up, but I think Sedna probably went full throttle after Church, and that exertion may have burnt her out. Otherwise, I think losing an arm would be nothing more than a flesh wound. She's not trying to conserve herself at this point, and I think that Church's general lack of restraint is a big part of the difference between him and Alice.
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1: Well sure, but Church has been seen to pass fifteen to twenty feet of space in an eyeblink without effort.
2: If the super soldiers have some kind of 'Overclocking mode' that allows them to increase their capabilities somehow, that's really something that the author should explain before the climax of his story.
Celly:
Or Sedna is fast but weak. Could be due to the support role she was designed for that they would prioritize allowing her to escape from bigger threats. Dump all stat points in speed, possibly making her faster than Church.
brasca:
--- Quote from: mikmaxs on 05 Jul 2017, 23:01 ---
--- Quote from: brasca on 05 Jul 2017, 22:56 ---
--- Quote from: mikmaxs on 05 Jul 2017, 21:08 ---Hmmm. :/
I'm kind of disappointed by this resolution, mostly because every part of it is so implausible that instead of feeling like "Oh, that's such a cool thing to do with the scenario presented!", I'm just thinking, "... What?"
Firstly, if Supersoldier Bones that were randomly broken into shards made a strong enough knife to punch through Supersoldier Armor, why wasn't Alice just armed with a bone knife when she fought him before the Blink? Don't bury him, stab him to death. (Or bury him, uncover the top of his head, THEN stab him to death.)
Second, we've seen that Church is MUCH faster than Alice (being able to cross several paces before Alice can move her arm two feet(, who in turn is - if not faster - at least stronger than Sedna. So either 1, why wasn't Church running at anywhere near top speed, or 2, how dod Sedna suddenly run faster than him?
Third, Laridia is clearly not scared of Church, even remotely: She views him as a minor potential nuisance. Based on this, it seems unlikely that a fight could break out at all.
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When Alice fought Church 5000 years ago it was probably before the Blink and her superiors might've ordered her to leave him buried in magma so they could reuse him later. After the Blink there was no one that knew he was there except Alice who I doubt wanted to go to the trouble to kill him. As for why he didn't move at top speed I believe Gavia was the target and there was no need to move so quickly. She was the only one who could put Pate in check in such a way that Church could do nothing. The rest could be killed at his leisure.
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HE GOT HIT WITH A SPACE LASER. That's not 'Let's leave him alive but incapacitated', that's 'We are hitting him with literally the most powerful weapon we have in our arsenal.'
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And if her superiors wanted Church dead they would've given her a knife made out one of her comrade's bones. They didn't which is why I theorize that like a lot of military organizations they wanted to capture a powerful weapon rather than destroy it.
--- Quote from: mikmaxs on 05 Jul 2017, 21:08 ---
Also: There's no frames of reference to be certain of this, but every single panel that shoes Church moving implies that he's rocketing forward at top speed, not taking his leisurely time. Keep in mind that he has to kill Gavia before she can get her nanobots inside Pate again - He'd be wanting to get that done immediately, before anything could slow him down. (It apparently takes no time to use the Nanobots, so he had until gavia saw him moving. That's a tiny window of time, and he seemed eager to kill.)
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I'll admit that I'm not entirely sure the position of everybody, but consider their location. It's like a big tube or root. Now if Church ran at Gavia at full speed he would squash her in a nano second, however, at such high speeds he would go up the wall over the ceiling and down the other like a motorcycle on one of those loops. And by doing so there is the possibility that he would smash right into Pate at full speed killing his master in the process. Because of their location I think he chose to attack at a speed that was faster than anything Gavia could avoid, but dangerous to the one person he's supposed to protect.
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