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Alice Grove MCDLT - THE END...?
brasca:
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--- Quote from: Method of Madness on 24 Jul 2017, 16:11 ---Still a much better ending than Lost, though.
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Well, yeah, if THAT's your standard...
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Yes it is. And for that matter I thought this ended better than Battlestar Galactica. Yes there are probably some things that could've been explored more deeply, but Jeph Jacques had enough on his plate so at least we got a good ending instead of being left hanging or confused because the story went on for too long and the creator never really had an ending in mind.
Personally I'd compare this to the 4th season of Babylon 5. JM Straczynski didn't know if he'd get another season so he wrapped things up in such a way in the that season that if he didn't get a 5th at least fans would get some closure.
Method of Madness:
Oh god, Battlestar Galactica was a much bigger disappointment than Lost. That awful ending came as a surprise, since it was a damn good show until the last 45 minutes or so. It sort of gets better to me with my alternate interpretation, though.
(click to show/hide)My theory? The show didn't take place in the past, it took place in the future...until the last jump took them hundreds of thousands of years into the past, where they created humanity in a closed loop. Yeah, that's really stupid, but I still think it's less stupid than taking it at face value.
Emperor Norton:
--- Quote from: brasca on 25 Jul 2017, 19:55 --- ...so at least we got a good ending instead of being left hanging or confused because the story went on for too long and the creator never really had an ending in mind.
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I completely disagree on it being good. What we got was just a giant exposition dump then "THE END". The characters really accomplished nothing, other than killing Church, but even that was kind of... well he was just a late game villain in the grand scheme of the story. He just shows up to be menacing and then die. Yes, they got to space, and got answers, but what difference did it make that they did? The same things will now happen regardless of what they did, especially as they learn Ardent and Gavia were not unique at all.
And let's look at the mysteries set up in the series. Other than the mystery of who Alice is, which ones had any actual hints to the answers before Ms. Exposition just told them the answers at the end. There are no hints that Ardent and Gavia's reality was a simulation before coming to Earth. There are no real hints at what happened to the AIs. Every answer we get is just dropped in the last few comics by someone telling us the answer. And until that, we were stuck with wild guesses because zero hints or foreshadowing were present.
The whole ending is just plant girl Praeses person going "And this is what happened" with a bit of assumptions from Alice, and then boom. End. And that could have been fine, if while reading it my brain went "OH YEAH, cause of x scene or y dialogue or z thing that happened earlier, that makes total sense." But it didn't. Because while nothing in the rest contradicts the ending, nothing in the rest really supports it much either.
brasca:
How would it be any different if the pace remained at one strip or two per week at best? There might be more plot filler that could be interesting, but the resolution would remain the same.
And killing Church is actually significant. The world will change, but not through any direction of Pate since he's dead and his pet monster is incapacitated if not dead too. Church through Pate's direction would gather together all the people with abilities and mold them into something to dominate the world, solar system, and wherever else advanced technology could take humanity. At best Alice might rally people to her side and achieve a stalemate, but it would be the past nightmare she wanted to avoid repeating itself again. Perhaps the AI behind all this intended for one of the sets of space dwellers to get captured and lead Pate and Church into space where they could be neutralized, but didn't feel it necessary to appear and give an exposition of its scheme.
And so what if Ardent and Gavia aren't unique. In time everyone on Earth will have abilities like theirs. In the meantime they can be pioneers and they actually have Sedna as a friend so that does make them different than the others who were seeded on Earth before them. As for not having any foreshadowing that Ardent and Gavia were from a simulated world it doesn't matter because it makes sense. How else could so many people live in space with very few resources to draw from other than recycling what already exists? Or why the rest of the solar system hasn't been colonized because even if Earth is off limits they could've terraformed Mars and Venus by now. It seems the Praeses are content to just keep the minds of the humans they got custody of housed in simulations. The only reason we thought the Praeses were up to something was Alice's paranoid suspicion. This in itself is not unusual considering her past and the thousands of years she's lived since then. It's a wonder anyone could be sane after all that time.
I'll admit this last chapter was like reading an abridged version, but the story still holds up so the only thing I mind is not getting more side adventures and filler, but I understand that Jeph Jacques has other obligations and couldn't turn this story into a multi volume epic.
BenRG:
If Jeph had kept to the slow pace, Jeph would likely have had time to say to himself: "You know, this needs to be expanded upon" and "How can I best put this across in something other than exposition?"
The rush makes the ending less palatable.
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