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WCDT 3611 to 3615 (13th to 17th November 2017)
mercykills:
--- Quote from: oddtail on 17 Nov 2017, 01:11 ---OK, so I was all ready to jump on the "hate Tilly" bandwagon, but today's comic actually made me change my mind somewhat.
Why? Because of the way she reacts here.
Tilly is jumping over a counter, which to me reads less as a "she's overeager" and more like "she's so desperate to 'help' that it's becoming unnerving". In a vacuum, it would be a cute little moment, but she's jumping the counter in a *complete one-eighty* to what she was doing a second ago. Yes, she was told by Dora to not be behind the counter, but she obliged, and after like a few seconds, she seems to have completely ignored, disregarded or forgotten it.
To me, it doesn't read as overeager behaviour. To me, it reads like an automatic response of a kind that's more than a little disconcerting. I know I'm probably reading too much into it, but such drastic shifts of behaviour for a minor reason suggest to me that she's been brainwashed, or abused (and not in a comedic way), or otherwise forced to "help" Hannelore to the exclusion of everything else. This is one step beyond "comical" to me, especially considering who her employer is. Tilly was never funny to me, but now her downright Pavlovian responses are more chilling than anything. YMMV.
Incidentally, in a world with super-technology, with sapient AI and basically on the verge of the Singularity (or beyond it, depending on what we don't see), people like Beatrice are still in power. Beatrice is not merely a "bad rich person", she is implied to be able to do whatever she wants. Yeah, do NOT sign me up for a future like this.
EDIT: also, I know Hannelore is a popular character, but as much as I dislike Tilly, the reactions to her seem like a "we know this person, so we'll hate that other person", which is a reaction I (in my opinion) have seen in the forum before. I will be very happy if this new character goes away soon, because she's annoying and not interesting, but I still think getting someone's name constantly wrong just because they were forced upon you is a shitty thing to do. I understand Hanners' reaction, but that doesn't mean I like it. And I don't like how it's apparently played up for comedy's sake. It's still not funny, to me personally.
EDIT 2: also also, wasn't it against the forum's rules (and enforced, IIRC) to misspell a real person's *or* a character's name? I didn't know it included a "I don't like this character, so I can do that" clause.
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jfc. No.
No. No. No. No. No. To ALL of this, 'No'. Please let us not make the creepy stalker, Taffy, into a sympathetic character. And yes, a stranger who comes into someone's life randomly and then will NOT leave once said person has made clear that they do NOT want this stranger around them is the definition of stalker and is one of the primary reasons restraining orders exist.
Atm, Taffy is using two of the main weapons in a creeper's arsenal; 1.) Gaslighting("no, no, Hannelore. Remember you want me to be here cause I'm useful(according to me). Why are you all of a sudden acting like you don't?") and 2.) Banking on the fact that the person they're stalking hates confrontation, is embarrassed that they're in this situation to begin with and/or won't set aside "decorum" and blow up on them like they deserve.
This is a serious issue that thousands deal with everyday but I guess we'll ignore our collective skin-crawling and treat it as cute and funny cause Taffy's klutzy and she calls Hannelore ma'am or some shit. >.>
JimC:
--- Quote from: TinPenguin on 17 Nov 2017, 06:38 ---
--- Quote from: JimC on 17 Nov 2017, 04:25 ---Jeph did do one strip of the characters in middle age...
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Wait, when was that?
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might have been a guest strip now I think of it...
later...
Indeed it was.
oddtail:
--- Quote from: mercykills on 17 Nov 2017, 07:12 ---
--- Quote from: oddtail on 17 Nov 2017, 01:11 ---OK, so I was all ready to jump on the "hate Tilly" bandwagon, but today's comic actually made me change my mind somewhat.
Why? Because of the way she reacts here.
Tilly is jumping over a counter, which to me reads less as a "she's overeager" and more like "she's so desperate to 'help' that it's becoming unnerving". In a vacuum, it would be a cute little moment, but she's jumping the counter in a *complete one-eighty* to what she was doing a second ago. Yes, she was told by Dora to not be behind the counter, but she obliged, and after like a few seconds, she seems to have completely ignored, disregarded or forgotten it.
To me, it doesn't read as overeager behaviour. To me, it reads like an automatic response of a kind that's more than a little disconcerting. I know I'm probably reading too much into it, but such drastic shifts of behaviour for a minor reason suggest to me that she's been brainwashed, or abused (and not in a comedic way), or otherwise forced to "help" Hannelore to the exclusion of everything else. This is one step beyond "comical" to me, especially considering who her employer is. Tilly was never funny to me, but now her downright Pavlovian responses are more chilling than anything. YMMV.
Incidentally, in a world with super-technology, with sapient AI and basically on the verge of the Singularity (or beyond it, depending on what we don't see), people like Beatrice are still in power. Beatrice is not merely a "bad rich person", she is implied to be able to do whatever she wants. Yeah, do NOT sign me up for a future like this.
EDIT: also, I know Hannelore is a popular character, but as much as I dislike Tilly, the reactions to her seem like a "we know this person, so we'll hate that other person", which is a reaction I (in my opinion) have seen in the forum before. I will be very happy if this new character goes away soon, because she's annoying and not interesting, but I still think getting someone's name constantly wrong just because they were forced upon you is a shitty thing to do. I understand Hanners' reaction, but that doesn't mean I like it. And I don't like how it's apparently played up for comedy's sake. It's still not funny, to me personally.
EDIT 2: also also, wasn't it against the forum's rules (and enforced, IIRC) to misspell a real person's *or* a character's name? I didn't know it included a "I don't like this character, so I can do that" clause.
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jfc. No.
No. No. No. No. No. To ALL of this, 'No'. Please let us not make the creepy stalker, Taffy, into a sympathetic character. And yes, a stranger who comes into someone's life randomly and then will NOT leave once said person has made clear that they do NOT want this stranger around them is the definition of stalker and is one of the primary reasons restraining orders exist.
Atm, Taffy is using two of the main weapons in a creeper's arsenal; 1.) Gaslighting("no, no, Hannelore. Remember you want me to be here cause I'm useful(according to me). Why are you all of a sudden acting like you don't?") and 2.) Banking on the fact that the person they're stalking hates confrontation, is embarrassed that they're in this situation to begin with and/or won't set aside "decorum" and blow up on them like they deserve.
This is a serious issue that thousands deal with everyday but I guess we'll ignore our collective skin-crawling and treat it as cute and funny cause Taffy's klutzy and she calls Hannelore ma'am or some shit. >.>
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I didn't say she was a sympathetic character. I said I dislike her as a person and as a character, didn't I?
I'm just saying that her eagerness to "help" is too over the top to be funny, in my opinion, and it verges on creepy and disturbing. And I see disturbing reasons that might be true.
It wouldn't change my opinion of the character anyway. I'm not sure where you got from my words that I see her as sympathetic. "I hope she's gone pretty soon" was too subtle? I'm not sure how I could have said it much more directly...
blt:
--- Quote from: JimC on 17 Nov 2017, 07:18 ---
--- Quote from: TinPenguin on 17 Nov 2017, 06:38 ---
--- Quote from: JimC on 17 Nov 2017, 04:25 ---Jeph did do one strip of the characters in middle age...
--- End quote ---
Wait, when was that?
--- End quote ---
might have been a guest strip now I think of it...
later...
Indeed it was.
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This comic really disturbs me and I can't put my finger on why. All I know is those weird dead faces are going to be burned into my nightmares now.
Cornelius:
The faces... the stilted language... but then, it is a nightmare.
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