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WCDT 3611 to 3615 (13th to 17th November 2017)
Neko_Ali:
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--- Quote from: Neko_Ali on 16 Nov 2017, 20:11 ---I'm beginning to think Beatrice didn't send Tilly here because Hannelore needs a personal assistant, but rather because she just needed some way to get rid of her....
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What? The cannon isn't working?
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She already tried the cannon. And the sharks. Both with and without lasers. But Tilly keeps coming back....
BenRG:
"Old Miss-us Cee had trouble of her own,
She had a blonde-haired girl who won't leave her alone!
Steps were needed with deception as its' key!
One wannabe PA! How hard could it be?
(How hard, how hard) How hard could it be? (How hard could it be?)"
"But Tilly came back the very next day!
Tilly came back! We thought she was a gonner
but Tilly came back! She just wouldn't stay away (away, away away)
(Wouldn't stay away!) Wouldn't stay away!"
Zebediah:
I can see it now: Hannelore vs. Tilly is going to degenerate into this.
heyjames4:
I could see Hannelore 'ordering' Tilly to get a mental health assessment, put a down payment on a house, and/or engage in other forms of expensive self-care. All charged to the company account, on the grounds that Ms. Elicott-Chatham needs an assistant whose got thier own house in order.
swapna:
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--- Quote from: JimC on 17 Nov 2017, 04:25 --- - Marten and Claire - not going to go there
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I must know. What happens to Marten and Claire?!
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They split up.
Everyone thought it was for the best...
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Yes, please. First thing Monday morning wouldn't be fast enough.
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--- Quote from: oddtail on 17 Nov 2017, 01:11 --- (click to show/hide)OK, so I was all ready to jump on the "hate Tilly" bandwagon, but today's comic actually made me change my mind somewhat.
Why? Because of the way she reacts here.
Tilly is jumping over a counter, which to me reads less as a "she's overeager" and more like "she's so desperate to 'help' that it's becoming unnerving". In a vacuum, it would be a cute little moment, but she's jumping the counter in a *complete one-eighty* to what she was doing a second ago. Yes, she was told by Dora to not be behind the counter, but she obliged, and after like a few seconds, she seems to have completely ignored, disregarded or forgotten it.
To me, it doesn't read as overeager behaviour. To me, it reads like an automatic response of a kind that's more than a little disconcerting. I know I'm probably reading too much into it, but such drastic shifts of behaviour for a minor reason suggest to me that she's been brainwashed, or abused (and not in a comedic way), or otherwise forced to "help" Hannelore to the exclusion of everything else. This is one step beyond "comical" to me, especially considering who her employer is. Tilly was never funny to me, but now her downright Pavlovian responses are more chilling than anything. YMMV.
Incidentally, in a world with super-technology, with sapient AI and basically on the verge of the Singularity (or beyond it, depending on what we don't see), people like Beatrice are still in power. Beatrice is not merely a "bad rich person", she is implied to be able to do whatever she wants. Yeah, do NOT sign me up for a future like this.
EDIT: also, I know Hannelore is a popular character, but as much as I dislike Tilly, the reactions to her seem like a "we know this person, so we'll hate that other person", which is a reaction I (in my opinion) have seen in the forum before. I will be very happy if this new character goes away soon, because she's annoying and not interesting, but I still think getting someone's name constantly wrong just because they were forced upon you is a shitty thing to do. I understand Hanners' reaction, but that doesn't mean I like it. And I don't like how it's apparently played up for comedy's sake. It's still not funny, to me personally.
EDIT 2: also also, wasn't it against the forum's rules (and enforced, IIRC) to misspell a real person's *or* a character's name? I didn't know it included a "I don't like this character, so I can do that" clause.
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Yeah, that apparently only goes for characters the mods care about. Or nicknames other characters use are okay also, even if they're malicious? Who knows.
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jfc. No.
No. No. No. No. No. To ALL of this, 'No'. Please let us not make the creepy stalker, Taffy, into a sympathetic character. And yes, a stranger who comes into someone's life randomly and then will NOT leave once said person has made clear that they do NOT want this stranger around them is the definition of stalker and is one of the primary reasons restraining orders exist.
Atm, Taffy is using two of the main weapons in a creeper's arsenal; 1.) Gaslighting("no, no, Hannelore. Remember you want me to be here cause I'm useful(according to me). Why are you all of a sudden acting like you don't?") and 2.) Banking on the fact that the person they're stalking hates confrontation, is embarrassed that they're in this situation to begin with and/or won't set aside "decorum" and blow up on them like they deserve.
This is a serious issue that thousands deal with everyday but I guess we'll ignore our collective skin-crawling and treat it as cute and funny cause Taffy's klutzy and she calls Hannelore ma'am or some shit. >.>
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Yes, Tilly's not a sympathetic character, but we know that Hannelore is able and willing to assert herself, if and when necessary. Tilly offered her to go - it's like a telemarketer. You have to end the call. She has to send her away, and if she feels stalked, she can call the police. With Tilly's phone. She has a Winslows eyewitness testimony (should be even better than a human's, it's not as if screwing with AI memory is an easy/legal process).
So, Hannelore thinks Tilly is not as bad - annoying and persistent, instead of a super creepy asshole that makes your skin crawl. Hanners doesn't feel threatened, she's just annoyed, otherwise she'd have used her taser/baton/called the police. And I agree, the arc isn't great - even May/Claire/Brun were more sympathetic when they were introduced. (Clinton was way way worse; imho, he still is.)
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