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WCDT 3621 to 3625 (27th November to 1st December 2017)
Jakk Frost:
On the "cisgender" debate: It's like the term "negro" which is considered offensive - these days at least - when all it really is, is the Spanish word for black. And there was a time it was considered the politically correct thing to say, hence the formation of the United Negro College Fund. Then it was "black" that was the PC thing to say, then that became a racist term and the new thing was "African American", except now that's not PC, because many black people don't come from Africa, and visiting Africans take offense to being called "African American, and the proper term is once again "black".
The point is, offense can only be taken, not given. Most SJW-types deliberately try to use "cis" and "cisgender" as pejoratives, ie "woman-hating, rape-apologizing, incest-supporting, cis pieces of s**t scum!". (While ironically not realizing that the term also applies to homosexual people). Therefore I choose not to take offense, because that's exactly what those kind of people want.
On today's page: Bad Tilly, bad! That's not standing on your head, that's a handstand!
OldGoat:
--- Quote from: BenRG on 30 Nov 2017, 23:19 ---Marten should be intuitive enough to have picked up on Hannelore's view of the situation.
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As an intuition-challenged person I find this offensive.
USS Martenclaire:
Ummm.....I vaguely recall this forum being a fairly chill place for peoples of all identities. Where did all the hostility come from? D:
swapna:
I presume that not calling Tilly by their name was okay was a) because it was a running gag and b) they're not actually that likable as a character. Which made them the Other, the corporate drone, Beatrices brainwashed leash sicced on Hannelore - less than human. When they asked for their correct name? Fuck them, they didn't deserve it.
Tilly asking for the correct pronouns, however, makes them human to a lot of people here. Suddenly, the first time someone uses the wrong ones they get corrected.
It is hilarious, though, and hypocritical. I still think the arc/character aren't great, and Tilly isn't sympathetic to me, but that was/is hilarious to watch.
Of course refusing someone their name is just as dehumanising as denying them their pronouns, if not more so; it is their identity, after all.
OldGoat:
--- Quote from: Welu on 01 Dec 2017, 03:27 ---Would you ever consider not respecting a cis person's pronouns because you didn't like them? That tends to be something only even thought of for nonbinary and trans people.
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Clearly you were:
* Never in the military, or
* Had an unusually mellow drill instructor, or
* Have forgotten the DI yelling, "Let's go, girls! Move it! Move it!! MOVE IT!!!"(PE coaches do it, too, or at least did when I was in junior high.)
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